I have not had the same experience that you and the other poster had, and I'm curious as to why you're so interested in his service if it's been a long term loser. In any event, I tracked his comps for 2 years, and the record was as follows:
407-321, 56% for 2008, 892-721 for both years, 55%
I lost track in 2010, but have him at 105-75 through Feb. 15th (I'll be updating the last 2 weeks after today). I'm talking about calling his comp line, usually button # 4 and # 9. Is he a relentless salesman and tends to, as they say, accentuate the positive and minimize the negative? You'd better believe it, but I haven't found that he runs away from or lies about his results, not at all. When he loses a big play (and, btw, he does limit the cappers on those kinds of thing, so they don't have a Play of the Year every month), he'll mournfully mention it, usually alibi about bad luck in some way, but he DOES acknowledge it.
Hopefully Sixty Minutes and/or SI will do a follow up to the investigation of sports services they did a number of years ago.
If they do it properly, it would not surprise me one if NC ranked near the bottom when it comes to telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
These guys are as deceptive and slimy as anyone, but imo they are not fooling anywhere near as many folks as they used to because of the various charboards which bring out the REAL truth about their records and advertising and NOT simply what Phil Steele and and his co-conspirators choose to tell you.
Hold on-I am talking ONLY about the NC Community Cappers and their basketball and baseball record and NOT football, which has done pretty well.
I have been doing these comp. lines for over 5 years and the records I state are 99%+ accurate, and I would be my last cent in any event that my accuracy for the NC Cappers are LOT closer to the truth than what you show.
ps You aren't listening to the same comp. tapes as I am if you say that his assistants on the comp. line talk about losing comps. as well as winning comps and spin everything and omit a lot-these guys are the ultimate con artists.
One day doesn't prove everything.
I have been calling thecomp. line EVERY day for many, many years(except when I go on vacation and someone else takes over) and have documented all of their lies, half-truths, spins and omissions, carefully selected time frames in talking about a rercord, etc. carefully at another forum for the last 5+ years-Unfortunately I do not believe I am permitted to name the forum.
Suffice it to say if you just read just a portion of what I have documented, you would come away with a lot different feeling.
These guys get a A for marketing because some suckers buy into what their selected "truths" and buy their picks.
Not to brag, but a few folks like me dig deep and show that while their marketing techniques may be effective to getting some folks to buy their services, they are far from honest, are EXTREMELY deceptive and don't tell "the rest of the story," which is where I come in.
ps Just remember the NC Community Cappers are comprised of around 20 different folks.
The law of averages says that each day there will be a at least few who won the day before and/or have been in short term winning streaks-anyone can backload and brag about this, but it is not a true picture of how everyone else is doing-the horrible cop. record as stared above does so this as these are actual plays, and it ain't pretty as show above.
ps In future I will try to keep conversations like this in chatter section as I don't want to clog things up.
Well, let's see: you say you haven't been tracking the same thing that I have, and omit an entire sport, namely football, which you concede has "...done pretty well." Yet you're virtually certain that your records are more accurate than mine. I think that THAT statement speaks for itself. You claim to have kept meticulous records for 5 years for a big loser. Why? Do you get a chubby? And you're a liar when you said they don't talk about losing (and, once again, why, then would you continue to listen to the tape?), they'll say something like, "We've dropped three in a row on Button $ 4, let's see if we can get the ship righted." I've kept record all this time because they've shown they can win. I recently posted that I kept Ben Burns for a couple of 100 plays and dropped him because he didn't show that he could win consistently. YOUR motives? Not so clear.
You are 100% WRONG my friend.
During this season they have NEVER admitted that the comps. have lostd NEVER admiited your erroneous statement that they ahve dropped 3 or whatever number of comps. they have lost in a row.
You will get devious statements like comp. 9 has won 60% over the last 6 days or so and so a capper has such and such a winning percentage over the last number of comps. and thats it-the basketball/baseball comp. line has been a total disaster for the last 3 years, and I have the documentation to prove it.
As these are actual plays and there is a significant sample size, it is reflective of hwo the NC Community Cappers have done as a whole over that time(I have a statistics background and know what I am talking about).
Don't call me a liar pal-look in the mirror instead-better yet find out about the other forum and try to refute anything which I have stated and documented over the last 5 years.
Your remark about football has no relvance-I am talking about the NC Community Cappers in basketball and baseball.
I also have documented the NC records in football over the last five years at the other forum-I never said they were bad and they have in fact done well.
I have learned a "few" things about sportsd services during my 32-33 years of following them, and that includes Northcoast.
If you disagree, so be it!
It is impotant because as stated in my last post, it is reflective of how the paid plays have been doing(as comps. are actual plays), and because it demonstrates the devious opus moderandi of NC.
How many people would buy pikcs from a basketball/baseball service if they knew the comps.(in this case actual plays) had lost 90K at $1000 a clip or 9K at $100 over three years or more importantly are down a whopping 21 games UNDER 500 for this season alone???
I want to add to what I said regarding my documentation.
The documentation refers not only to the records compiled by me but how their state their record or as is the case spin and omit parts of their record.
Obviously Dafinch hasn't been calling every day and/or paying attention because if he did, he would realize that the recounting of the records is a thing of the past(you never hear any more about "three consecutive losses, time to get the ship righted-those are things of the past_.
Now at best you might get something like the comps. are in a "little bit of a funk"(like 21 games under 500 is a little bit of a funk and 90K lost over three years is no biggie), and those are VERY rare.
They talk ONLY about winning comps. and have never even hinted the comps. have been bad this year and for the last three.
I even emailed them several times asking them about this(and other matters), and the fact that they don't even warn people that comps. have not been doing well.
Did I ever get a response about any of my concerns-ha-a bear has a better chance of shitting in your bathroom and not in the woods than for these guys to ever reply to legitimate questions-they got caught with their pants down and have no answers and thus would rather ignore the emails.
The documentation refers not only to the records compiled by me but how their state their record or as is the case spin and omit parts of their record.
Obviously Dafinch hasn't been calling every day and/or paying attention because if he did, he would realize that the recounting of the records is a thing of the past(you never hear any more about "three consecutive losses, time to get the ship righted-those are things of the past_.
Now at best you might get something like the comps. are in a "little bit of a funk"(like 21 games under 500 is a little bit of a funk and 90K lost over three years is no biggie), and those are VERY rare.
They talk ONLY about winning comps. and have never even hinted the comps. have been bad this year and for the last three.
I even emailed them several times asking them about this(and other matters), and the fact that they don't even warn people that comps. have not been doing well.
Did I ever get a response about any of my concerns-ha-a bear has a better chance of shitting in your bathroom and not in the woods than for these guys to ever reply to legitimate questions-they got caught with their pants down and have no answers and thus would rather ignore the emails.
