Steelers/Ravens, was that a TD?

[CollegeFan]

100% wrong!! Page 776 of the rules digest in the NFL fact book reads: "A player with the ball in his possession scores a touchdown when the ball is on, above or over the goal line."

Let me give you another example. Do you remember Randy Moss' TD catch against the Jets (when the Pats had that miraculous comeback only to lose in OT).

That ball was not in the endzone, because Randy Moss was falling out of bounds, but had 2 feet in the endzone and it was a catch. (Remember, they changed that rule -- the goalline no longer extends infinitely.)

So basically, under your interpretation, it can never be a TD when a player catches a ball near the side of the endzone while falling out of bounds, but having 2 feet in...

People probably should know the rules (especially the announcers) before complaining.

 

[Ladeda]

If his feet were down it was a touchdown. A touchdown is scored when either :

-the ball crosses the plain with posession
or
-the player with posession has both feet in the endzone


You see it quite often in the NFL a player scoring without the ball crossing the plain. If a running back takes it to the corner with the ball in his left arm, as long as he gets both feet on the inside of the pylon it doesn't matter if the ball was out of bounds and never crossed the goal line.

 

[TheWolf]

looked like the ball was on the line when he caught it....which is a TD.......not sure about the rule for his feet though.

 

[REDEYE]

Just another reason why I don't like the Steelers with what happened today. Ever since the NFL decided to make national holiday for Jerome Bettis in the Super Bowl and give them the game, their is not a team in this league I dislike more

 

[JakeT.]

I had money on the Ravens but I still think it was a touchdown. That being said, there was no way to say 100% it was a touchdown and the call should not have been overturned.

 

[lapdance]

i will absolutely stand by the baltimore domination. steelers were getting booed off their own field because the ravens were making them look incredibly average. if flacco doesnt shit down his own leg, that game never sees overtime. steelers didnt sniff the endzone in 59 minutes today either. baltimore clearly controlled both meetings this year and yet somehow ended up with 0 wins to show for it.

im not saying sdiego outplayed pitt btw - simply saying that was another 'last second win' for pitt (as was their come from ahead near loss to jacksonville, although they deserved to win there)

pittsburgh had a very difficult schedule this year and did well with it. wins and losses are what counts in the end. but they could EASILY be 7-7 or 8-6 and on the outside looking in. that fine line of victory in the nfl has never been more evident than this year.

please explain how balt had 202 yds in total offense, was outgained by over 100 yards and yet dominated the fb game today.

 

[JohnnyMac]

please explain how balt had 202 yds in total offense, was outgained by over 100 yards and yet dominated the fb game today.

Hardly domination. Baltimore didn't do shit on offense yesterday. Holmes' fumble gave them one FG, and the missed holding call on Harrison gave them the second FG. If not for their MVP (the punter) it wouldn't have been a game at all.

 

[FairWarning]

What about the BS spot on the 3rd down call? That was worse than the TD.

 

[1cheater]

What about the BS spot on the 3rd down call? That was worse than the TD.

You talking about the one that gave Pitt the 1st down?

 

[FairWarning]

You talking about the one that gave Pitt the 1st down?

Yes. That was horrible.

 

[lapdance]

Yes. That was horrible.

agree

 

[RudyRuetigger]

This is for 90% of the idiots (ravens fans and backers) in this thread. I bolded and made it big for you to see:

Rule 11 Scoring​

Section 1 Value of Scores​

Article 1​

​

The team that scores the greater number of points during the entire game is
the winner. Points are scored as follows:
(a) Touchdown ...............................................................................................6 points
(b) Field Goal..................................................................................................3 points
(c) Safety ........................................................................................................2 points
(d) Successful Try after touchdown ........................................................1 or 2 points​

Note: If a team forfeits a game, the opponent will be declared the winner by a score of 2-0,
but the points will not be added to the winning team’s record for purposes of offensive
production on tie-breakers​

Article 2​

​

​

If the score is tied at the end of four periods, the game will be extended by an
overtime period (see rule 16).​

Section 2 Touchdown​

Article 1​

​

​

It is a touchdown (3-38):
(a) when a runner advances from the field of play and the ball touches the opponents’
goal line (plane); or
(b) while inbounds any player catches or recovers a loose ball (3-2-3) on or behind the
opponents’ goal line.​

SUPPLEMENTAL NOTES​

(1) The ball is automatically dead at the instant of legal player possession on, above,
or behind the opponents’ goal line.
(2) The Referee may award a touchdown when a palpably unfair act deprives the
offended team of one.
(3) For a foul after a touchdown (between downs), see 3-11-2-a and 14-5.​

A.R. 11.1​

​

​

Third-and-goal on B2. Runner A1 goes to the goal line with the ball over the plane of the
goal line. He is tackled and fumbles and the defensive team recovers in the end zone.​

Ruling :​

​

​

Touchdown. The ball is automatically dead at the instant of legal player


Here it is at another website, although not official as the nfl rulebook is:


The confusion lies in the three methods of breaking the plane of the goal line, two of which are essentially the same. The first method is the best known - break the plane of the goal line with the ball (hence the desire to get it inside the pylon). The second method is commonly seen, but never really considered - catch the ball in the end zone, thus legally possessing a ball that has already broken the plane of the goal line.

The third method is essentially the second, but is a source of infinite goal line confusion. If some part of the player touches in bounds beyond the goal line, no matter where the ball is in relation to the field of play, the player is in bounds beyond the goal line and in possession of the ball.



Also, it does NOT matter if he fell back out of the endzone and a raven player touched him at the 1yd line. as soon as the plane was broken, the play is OVER. TOUCHDOWN



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[1cheater]

This is for 90% of the idiots (ravens fans and backers) in this thread. I bolded and made it big for you to see:

Rule 11 Scoring​

Section 1 Value of Scores​

Article 1​

​

The team that scores the greater number of points during the entire game is
the winner. Points are scored as follows:
(a) Touchdown ...............................................................................................6 points
(b) Field Goal..................................................................................................3 points
(c) Safety ........................................................................................................2 points
(d) Successful Try after touchdown ........................................................1 or 2 points​

Note: If a team forfeits a game, the opponent will be declared the winner by a score of 2-0,
but the points will not be added to the winning team’s record for purposes of offensive
production on tie-breakers​

Article 2​

​

​

If the score is tied at the end of four periods, the game will be extended by an
overtime period (see rule 16).​

Section 2 Touchdown​

Article 1​

​

​

It is a touchdown (3-38):
(a) when a runner advances from the field of play and the ball touches the opponents’
goal line (plane); or
(b) while inbounds any player catches or recovers a loose ball (3-2-3) on or behind the
opponents’ goal line.​

SUPPLEMENTAL NOTES​

(1) The ball is automatically dead at the instant of legal player possession on, above,
or behind the opponents’ goal line.
(2) The Referee may award a touchdown when a palpably unfair act deprives the
offended team of one.
(3) For a foul after a touchdown (between downs), see 3-11-2-a and 14-5.​

A.R. 11.1​

​

​

Third-and-goal on B2. Runner A1 goes to the goal line with the ball over the plane of the
goal line. He is tackled and fumbles and the defensive team recovers in the end zone.​

Ruling :​

​

​

Touchdown. The ball is automatically dead at the instant of legal player


Here it is at another website, although not official as the nfl rulebook is:


The confusion lies in the three methods of breaking the plane of the goal line, two of which are essentially the same. The first method is the best known - break the plane of the goal line with the ball (hence the desire to get it inside the pylon). The second method is commonly seen, but never really considered - catch the ball in the end zone, thus legally possessing a ball that has already broken the plane of the goal line.

The third method is essentially the second, but is a source of infinite goal line confusion. If some part of the player touches in bounds beyond the goal line, no matter where the ball is in relation to the field of play, the player is in bounds beyond the goal line and in possession of the ball.



Also, it does NOT matter if he fell back out of the endzone and a raven player touched him at the 1yd line. as soon as the plane was broken, the play is OVER. TOUCHDOWN



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Nice way to repute an arguement by calling someone an idiot. Show me where the ball crosses the goal line, that's what this whole arguement is. Show me evidence for that play to be OVER TURNED ON THE FIELD.

 

[RudyRuetigger]

You are just the exact person i am calling an idiot. Did you even read what i wrote? the ball doesnt have to cross the goaline.

 

[EddieMush20]

Lots of whine here....The bottom line is that Pittsburgh is a very good team that finds ways to win games, like all good teams do......

 

[moethepuppy]

Just another reason why I don't like the Steelers with what happened today. Ever since the NFL decided to make national holiday for Jerome Bettis in the Super Bowl and give them the game, their is not a team in this league I dislike more

Well then I hope the Steelers can piss you off five more times this year......

(two regular season games and three playoff games.......)

 

[CollegeFan]

You are just the exact person i am calling an idiot. Did you even read what i wrote? the ball doesnt have to cross the goaline.

See Posts number 40 and 41 in this thread. I posted the exact same thing.

 

[gijoe]

The NFL is backing referee Walt Coleman's decision to overturn a call on the field and rule Santonio Holmes' catch a touchdown that gave the Steelers a 13-9 victory at Baltimore yesterday.
Coleman's officiating crew ruled that Holmes did not get into the end zone when he caught Ben Roethlisberger's pass from the Ravens' four with 43 seconds left. However, after viewing it on replay, Coleman overturned the call and signaled a touchdown.
"Walt Coleman determined via high-def video review that the receiver had possession and two feet down with the ball in the goal line, meaning it broke the plane,'' an NFL spokesman said via e-mail.
The spokesman said Mike Pereira, the NFL's vice president of officiating, backed the Coleman ruling after replay.
Coleman explained after the game that Holmes "had two feet down and completed the catch with control of the ball breaking the plane of the goal line."
By rule, his feet did not have to be down, however, when the ball crossed the goal line -- he had to be in possession of the ball when it broke the plane of the goal line and then, to complete the play, his feet had to touch the ground.
"When he gained control of the ball,'' Coleman said, "the ball was breaking the plane and then he fell into the field of play."

 

[terps1313]

I do agree by reading the rule posted above, then the TD should have counted regardless of where the ball was. However listening to things today, that rule was put in place for players catching the ball passed the goaline but the ball is out of bounds. So Randy Moss/Cris Carter type catches on the sidelines.

 

[HPark1]

What about the BS spot on the 3rd down call? That was worse than the TD.

This is what makes the ref look very bad. He found enough evidence to overturn the no TD call on the field (had no business being overturned) but yet on the same kind of replay challenge earlier in the game he saw no evidence to overturn the ball spotted on the 30 for a Pittsburgh first down. The ball clearly didn't come close to the 30. That had no business not being overturned.