This is completely outrageous and I can't believe anyone would defend the police.
According to the NYT the NYC police should not be using choke holds - they were banned 20 years ago.
The department’s patrol guide prohibits chokeholds, which it defines as including “any pressure to the throat or windpipe, which may prevent or hinder breathing or reduce intake of air.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/20/n...udy-after-man-dies-in-staten-island.html?_r=1
I hope the city gets sued for 10's of millions of dollars for this.
According to the NYT the NYC police should not be using choke holds - they were banned 20 years ago.
The department’s patrol guide prohibits chokeholds, which it defines as including “any pressure to the throat or windpipe, which may prevent or hinder breathing or reduce intake of air.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/20/n...udy-after-man-dies-in-staten-island.html?_r=1
I hope the city gets sued for 10's of millions of dollars for this.
This is kinda funny. You mean tell us that if the cop didn't choke him he would have coincidentally died of a heart attack at that exact moment.
Does anyone use common sense these days??
I love how you add your opinion to the situation that the "hold wasn't that tight" like you were standing there or apart of this arrest in any way.
Common sense is exactly what I used.
The guy was in a choke. It aims to cut off blood to the brain, making you pass out. The suspect could talk and wasn't passed out. The thing wasn't applied full force or was applied poorly.
A chokehold doesn't just up and kill a man after a few seconds. If applied properly the guy would pass out, and if the cop kept the choke on for like 10-15 seconds after the blood to the brain stopped the suspect could potentially suffer brain damage. Most say it takes 30-60 seconds but 10-15 is a safe number. I'm sure if you choke a guy for a few minutes after the blood stops he very well might die but the first step is losing consciousness from lack of blood. That never happened.
It's one million times more likely that the guy had a heart attack when he tried to resist arrest.
If you can find one single reference in the history of mankind of someone dying after 5-10 seconds in a chokehold I'd love to see it. I'm sure it contributed to the stress level that caused the heart attack but so did RESISTING ARREST. The guy was struggling with cops... he was going to be exerting energy one way or another.
Also the coroners had said he had no damage to the throat/neck bones. The choke was just to hold him in place. Against regulations, sure, and I support the officer being suspended, but it didn't lead to his death directly.
http://nypost.com/2014/07/19/man-in-chokehold-death-had-no-throat-damage-autopsy/
NY Post did make mention of this:
“If an obese person with co-existing medical problems can’t get good oxygenation to begin with, then a chokehold could put him over the edge,”
which is basically the same as...
“If an obese person with co-existing medical problems can’t get good oxygenation to begin with, then a wrestling match while resisting arrest could put him over the edge,”
http://nypost.com/2014/07/19/man-in-chokehold-death-had-no-throat-damage-autopsy/
NY Post did make mention of this:
“If an obese person with co-existing medical problems can’t get good oxygenation to begin with, then a chokehold could put him over the edge,”
which is basically the same as...
“If an obese person with co-existing medical problems can’t get good oxygenation to begin with, then a wrestling match while resisting arrest could put him over the edge,”
you have no idea what killed this gentlemen, as you're not a forensic pathologist. The autopsy is forthcoming.
the impact of the asphyxiation? likely significant. Cardiovascularly compromised given his size, an obese gentleman. Perhaps even suffers from COPD? He GAVE the cops a warning; 'I cant breathe'. He said it more than once. Dumb Dumb cop ignored it.
I just think your jumping to conclusions. And I stand by my opinion that in all likely hood the guy would be fine walking around today without the cops choking him.
And he did lose consciousness. He died. That is the only FACT we know right now.
BTW....I wasn't trying to come off as a smart ass with my original post to you. It was a little harsh. I just think your assuming that a large man who is out of shape died of a heart attack when all initial signs point to the aggressive actions of a few police officers.
Also, Why would anyone resist arrest? If your innocent then explain that to the cops downtown, or the judge if need be, just like everyone has to. But to fight a cop is the stupidest thing you could do. It will NEVER end well. Now some will say this guy was being harassed. Why is that? You think they went out of their way to pick on this one guy time after time? Ofcourse he is probably well known to them for priors, but doesn't give them the right to do what they did when choke holds have been banned for quite some time!
One of the officers in question sounds like a swell guy:
Officer Pantaleo has been sued for civil rights violations twice in federal court since 2013. A plaintiff in one case, Tommy Rice, 41, said several officers — his legal papers identify one as Officer Pantaleo — pulled him and several friends over for a broken taillight before strip-searching them on the side of the road. Mr. Rice said they were arrested on charges, later dismissed, of using a vehicle to purchase narcotics.
Officer Pantaleo has been sued for civil rights violations twice in federal court since 2013. A plaintiff in one case, Tommy Rice, 41, said several officers — his legal papers identify one as Officer Pantaleo — pulled him and several friends over for a broken taillight before strip-searching them on the side of the road. Mr. Rice said they were arrested on charges, later dismissed, of using a vehicle to purchase narcotics.
