So who gets fired first: Hoke, Muschamp or Weis?

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Rumor, and all this is rumor but some of the folks are hoping Florida makes a play for Strong when/if Muschamp fails. Got that from golf buddy this afternoon while playing and I'm guessing he's heard this from his dad. Next few weeks have the potential to be rough with some high profile games on tap


You're so funny with your golf buddy stories. Strong has a 3 year guaranteed contract (actually it's for longer but he's been guaranteed minimum 3 years even if he goes winless) and has also guaranteed himself to Texas for the same tenure. That's not happening.
 

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You're so funny with your golf buddy stories. Strong has a 3 year guaranteed contract (actually it's for longer but he's been guaranteed minimum 3 years even if he goes winless) and has also guaranteed himself to Texas for the same tenure. That's not happening.
Honestly I agree completely however that's just good ol boy talk. Way out of my league, i'm just passing on the info. Not my school, honestly could care less. I just want to see the program good. I can make more money off them being good.
 

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I don't get it. This is coming from someone who hates weis and thinks he's always been over rated. I think he got a raw deal on this. I can't believe they fired him at 2-2. If you really wanted to get rid of him this bad do it after last season. It's a complete joke anymore. What did anyone think that Kansas would actually do ? Nothing. Mangino single handedly got the program going and without him it's been all downhill.
 

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I don't get it. This is coming from someone who hates weis and thinks he's always been over rated. I think he got a raw deal on this. I can't believe they fired him at 2-2. If you really wanted to get rid of him this bad do it after last season. It's a complete joke anymore. What did anyone think that Kansas would actually do ? Nothing. Mangino single handedly got the program going and without him it's been all downhill.
I agree. I don't really get the timing of his firing. Especially given that this isn't a bye week and they have to travel to WV. So probably one less day of home practice with a new interim coach and then the longest travel game of the year in the Big 12. But the Kansas AD has never been mistaken for someone with common sense. Plus what the hell difference will it make if he is fired now or at the end of the season? The only reason I can possibly think of is the possibility that old dusty balls will retire from KSU at the end of the season and they wanted to beat KSU to the punch in their coaching job search. But the problem with that kind of thinking is how this sudden firing looks to other coaching prospects out there. If it's anything that could scare the good ones away it's firing someone with a big contract in the 6th week of the season. What kind of message does that send? If anything they should have waitied until close to the end to fire him.
 

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I thought the Kansas game was closer than the final score indicated as there was only a 16 net yardage differential between these two teams and it seemed like Kansas was constantly inside the Texas territory, but they just could not do anything with this Cozart kid at QB. Not sure what Weiss was thinking starting this guy who completed 12 passes with 4 interceptions, but clearly he's not ready and prob not a QB as well. With a decent QB they would of had a shot there as they were good in the run game and somewhat scrappy on defense. Didn't they have a couple more experienced QBs transfer in there or something, not sure what happened? Not a bad deal for Weiss whatsoever as he walks away while still being owed $7 million if you can believe that, I'm sure the folks footing the bill in Kansas must be thrilled.
 

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I don't get it. This is coming from someone who hates weis and thinks he's always been over rated. I think he got a raw deal on this. I can't believe they fired him at 2-2. If you really wanted to get rid of him this bad do it after last season. It's a complete joke anymore. What did anyone think that Kansas would actually do ? Nothing. Mangino single handedly got the program going and without him it's been all downhill.

Huh? 2-2? Try 6 games TOTAL Weiss won in his ENTIRE tenure at Kansas. I think. They paid Weiss $15 f'ing million dollars for SIX wins.
 

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I thought the Kansas game was closer than the final score indicated as there was only a 16 net yardage differential between these two teams and it seemed like Kansas was constantly inside the Texas territory, but they just could not do anything with this Cozart kid at QB. Not sure what Weiss was thinking starting this guy who completed 12 passes with 4 interceptions, but clearly he's not ready and prob not a QB as well. With a decent QB they would of had a shot there as they were good in the run game and somewhat scrappy on defense. Didn't they have a couple more experienced QBs transfer in there or something, not sure what happened? Not a bad deal for Weiss whatsoever as he walks away while still being owed $7 million if you can believe that, I'm sure the folks footing the bill in Kansas must be thrilled.

Not as thrilled as the folks who are still paying him in South Bend (Notre Dame). Weiss has now collected $64 million during his time with ND/ Kansas. $49 mill at ND and $15 mill at Kansas. He has one HELL of an agent.
 

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Not as thrilled as the folks who are still paying him in South Bend (Notre Dame). Weiss has now collected $64 million during his time with ND/ Kansas. $49 mill at ND and $15 mill at Kansas. He has one HELL of an agent.
Estimated $19 million from ND and $7 million more from Kansas ...for not working. Charlie Weis is my hero.
 

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Estimated $19 million from ND and $7 million more from Kansas ...for not working. Charlie Weis is my hero.

He was in the right place at the right time when he became the OC of the Patriots right when they made their Superbowl runs. Guess that's why they saying timing is everything. Has there ever been a successful coach under the Belichick coaching tree after leaving New England? Maybe Bill O'brien?
 
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He was in the right place at the right time when he became the OC of the Patriots right when they made their Superbowl runs. Guess that's why they saying timing is everything. Has there ever been a successful coach under the Belichick coaching tree after leaving New England? Maybe Bill O'brien?
It amazes me that an AD thinks a QB coach in the NFL is qualified and capable of going from that position and with no head coaching experience whatsoever to coaching of the most elite college programs in football. And then another school sees his failures and still hires him anyway. These AD's aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. They all keep repeating the same mistakes.
 
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As a fan of Notre Dame, the KC Chiefs, and KU, I would just like to say I'm happy to finally be rid of him
 

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Huh? 2-2? Try 6 games TOTAL Weiss won in his ENTIRE tenure at Kansas. I think. They paid Weiss $15 f'ing million dollars for SIX wins.
Yes he did. Look at Kansas before he came. Look at Kansas recruiting in the last 5 years. I'll be honest I just don't get this endless obsession with firing and blaming coaches for everything. It's a complete joke. I like to grade and assess coaches based on performance vs expectations and Weiss did about what was expected of Kansas. Just being honest. I do not like Weiss and don't want to seem like I'm just trying to support him this goes for others. Did you think Kansas was going to be good this year? No you didn't. They have been honestly slightly better than expected
 

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Estimated $19 million from ND and $7 million more from Kansas ...for not working. Charlie Weis is my hero.

Neither Tom Brady nor the Hoodie has won a Super Bowl since the greatness of Charlie Weis left..............This is why he goes around saying "wanna see my rings"
 

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Weiss did about what was expected of Kansas.

he was 1-18 in conference...that isn't ANY team's expectation.
hell mark mangino isn't god's gift to coaching and went 23-41 in conference
 

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Yes he did. Look at Kansas before he came. Look at Kansas recruiting in the last 5 years. I'll be honest I just don't get this endless obsession with firing and blaming coaches for everything. It's a complete joke. I like to grade and assess coaches based on performance vs expectations and Weiss did about what was expected of Kansas. Just being honest. I do not like Weiss and don't want to seem like I'm just trying to support him this goes for others. Did you think Kansas was going to be good this year? No you didn't. They have been honestly slightly better than expected
You are a little off base here with expectations. I know that when their fellow in-state school KSU brought back Snyder for the second time, their AD told Snyder that their expectation were to win at least 5-6 games a year. Obviously they got a pleasant surprise. I'm sure the expectations were similar for Weis when he was hired or else they wouldn't have paid him all of those millions with what I believe was a 5 years contract. Which was about 2 years too long. But there were many reasons for his firing. For one, the big donors didn't like Weis after getting to know him. Which is never good. Just ask Rich Rod. Weis also needed a hard fought close game against UT to save his job. He didn't get either. And what's worse is his team looked like they quit by the 4th quarter. Kansas has also had a growing group of big donors that are willing to eat big contracts like this. They are reaching a level of quick money guys the school has never come close to having before, and are looking for bigger things in the future.. So the writing was on the wall for Weis since he won only one conference game in 3 years and his teams never showed any improvement in that 3 year period.
 

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You are a little off base here with expectations. I know that when their fellow in-state school KSU brought back Snyder for the second time, their AD told Snyder that their expectation were to win at least 5-6 games a year. Obviously they got a pleasant surprise. I'm sure the expectations were similar for Weis when he was hired or else they wouldn't have paid him all of those millions with what I believe was a 5 years contract. Which was about 2 years too long. But there were many reasons for his firing. For one, the big donors didn't like Weis after getting to know him. Which is never good. Just ask Rich Rod. Weis also needed a hard fought close game against UT to save his job. He didn't get either. And what's worse is his team looked like they quit by the 4th quarter. Kansas has also had a growing group of big donors that are willing to eat big contracts like this. They are reaching a level of quick money guys the school has never come close to having before, and are looking for bigger things in the future.. So the writing was on the wall for Weis since he won only one conference game in 3 years and his teams never showed any improvement in that 3 year period.

Leach at Texas Tech along with Mangino and Mason at Kansas proved it is possible to have some success there........Franklin brought Vandy up to relevance at the time in the SEC which seemed impossible.....Same with Brooks at Kentucky.......Briles brought Baylor from the basement to a Top 10 Team which also seemed impossible......Then you have Cutcliffe at Duke who has done some great things along with Shaw at Stanford maintaining their excellence despite academic standards..........What does this all mean? A great coach is just that and obviously Bill Snyder is the ultimate proof as they were the worse team in the history of football by far till he showed up............Even Georgia Tech won a national title last before Georgia did despite higher academic standards so yes anything is possible with a great coach.....Weis may be a good coordinator, but not a good Head Coach....Plenty of those around.
 

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If Michigan loses at Rutgers this weekend then I would be shocked if Hoke survives to coach Penn State the following Saturday.
 

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I agree with all those points. Weiss is not a good coach bottom line. My issue is firing him at 2-2 and acting like he was some atrocity. They stunk when he got there and he wasn't good enough to turn it around.
 

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I wonder what ND writes in the memo field of that check every time Weiss is due another million? If Michigan didn't fire Hoke after getting beat by Utah and Minnesota in the Big House, then I doubt their administration really cares at this point.
 

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