so what do you guys think. should healthcare be a right or a privilege?

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honestly the problem is people assume if someone does not have coverage it is because they are lazy. and that is because they are an easy group of people (the lazy ones) to blame and get pissed at. i hate it as well that some people who do not deserve it will get it but if that is what it takes to get it for those who do deserve it than i can swallow that.

I work in healthcare and deal with insurance companies all the time. I also deal with the insurance side of our business and it is ridiculous the cost involved. The cost of the insurance is our fault, the government and our lack of ability to hold them accountable. The public is constantly ripped off by the insurance companies check your EOB's those have a huge error rate. We have healthcare for everyone right now no one wants to admit it but it is financially ruining us as a country. That is true that there are people out there who are in great need and are not lazy but this is not the majority. Majority is the other way around. If you really need help you can go to charities and all that there are a unbelieveable amount of prgrams available.
 
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Affordable & sensible healthcare is a right & I don't mean going to the Emergency room when you have a fart crosswise or a hangnail like the illegal Aliens do because they think theyre entitled & that prices most people out of health insurance because the cost has to be paid out of somewhere.
 

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Yeah make that 12 year old with Cancer go out and get a job.. Lazy Fuck.

Children of citizens under the age of 18 should get a reasonable amount of health care. Why punish a kid who can't move out on their own if their parents are &*%$heads who won't pay for insurance?

Once a person reaches 18 they are able to work and can pay their own insurance. Exceptions would be someone who is physically or mentally unable to care for themself and these people should get the care they need.
 

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i'm not a huge housing guy. you dont need a house to make it. alot of people have townhomes, rent apartments, homes etc.

a kid needs healthcare though darwinian. kid needs help if they are struggling, and every kid should have that assurance.
 

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Children of citizens under the age of 18 should get a reasonable amount of health care. Why punish a kid who can't move out on their own if their parents are &*%$heads who won't pay for insurance?

Once a person reaches 18 they are able to work and can pay their own insurance. Exceptions would be someone who is physically or mentally unable to care for themself and these people should get the care they need.
i agree but they dont with republican presidents.......letem' rot healthcare is no so good
 

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here is what I think.

I don't think anyone working for the city, county, state or federal government should be able to get healthcare for anything cheaper than I can get it working for a small company. They work for me and shouldn't get better coverage at a lower cost.

Health care providers need to put out a plan and a cost just like any other comodity. It can't vary by how big or small of a group you are in.
 

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here is what I think.

I don't think anyone working for the city, county, state or federal government should be able to get healthcare for anything cheaper than I can get it working for a small company. They work for me and shouldn't get better coverage at a lower cost.

Health care providers need to put out a plan and a cost just like any other comodity. It can't vary by how big or small of a group you are in.

why cant it
everything else varies in cost based on how many you buy
walmart gets shit cheaper because they buy a lot more of it at once
 

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why cant it
everything else varies in cost based on how many you buy
walmart gets shit cheaper because they buy a lot more of it at once

That would be fine but the employee doesn't get the option. If no one had health care through there employer then fine. But why should someone who I pay their salary get better healthcare and a lower cost than me? You won't be able to find a good arguement for your case.
 

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You can call it a right or priviledge whatever.

As far as I am concerned one of the main purpose of gov't is to provide TEMPORARY help for people, not a living. And also help out when things happen out of a person's control. Noone can protect against getting sick/ill. And stuff like that should not bankrupt a person who worked hard all his life. Besides once they go bankrupt, they get free hea;th care anyways. So how about not letting them get to bankruptcy.

You cant be productive if you are not healthy and healthy people will make for a productive society
 

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"You cant be productive if you are not healthy and healthy people will make for a productive society"

See how easy it is to convert people to socalism simply by giving them something for "free".

The Constitution says the Federal Govt has 1 purpose....National defense........NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!
 

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That would be fine but the employee doesn't get the option. If no one had health care through there employer then fine. But why should someone who I pay their salary get better healthcare and a lower cost than me? You won't be able to find a good arguement for your case.

yes i will-you paying their salary is irrelevant
you asked why its cheaper per person
the govt is buying coverage for tons of people, you employer is only buying it for a few
logically they get a better rate per person- this is something a 3rd grader could figure out
 

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You can call it a right or priviledge whatever.

As far as I am concerned one of the main purpose of gov't is to provide TEMPORARY help for people, not a living. And also help out when things happen out of a person's control. Noone can protect against getting sick/ill. And stuff like that should not bankrupt a person who worked hard all his life. Besides once they go bankrupt, they get free hea;th care anyways. So how about not letting them get to bankruptcy.

You cant be productive if you are not healthy and healthy people will make for a productive society

i happen to live in ny which is awful for health insurance, but for about 90% of the population they can buy catosttrophic coverage for like 50 bucks a month in case something awful happens
other than that if you get the flu ever 2 years and it costs you 200 bucks boo hoo
most people who have 0 coverage could come up with 50 bucks a month if they sacrificed some unessasary crap they are paying for
 

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For many good health care coverage is a curse. More than 200,000 hospital patients die every year in the US from medical errors and another 100,000 die from infections contracted during their stay.
 

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i'm not a huge housing guy. you dont need a house to make it. alot of people have townhomes, rent apartments, homes etc.

a kid needs healthcare though darwinian. kid needs help if they are struggling, and every kid should have that assurance.
Well, you do need some form of shelter. Lose your job and bye-bye townhouse, apartment, etc. Wouldn't it be nice if you never had to worry about losing your home even if you lost your job or couldn't work?
 

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It's already been a right for a long time. Somebody needs treatment, they go down to the hospital, and the hospital is obligated to treat them. If they have no money, the hospital gets fucked, and it is an uncollectable debt. So the poor have free health care, and the rich don't have any concerns over the cost. It's the middle class, those with assets but not wealth......we are the ones with the problem. I have no problem with Obama's plan, but passing it is going to be another thing altogether. Letting the private sector run the care, and having gov't group health insurance available to everyone.....well that sounds like a damn fine idea on paper. We already have gov't health insurance.....it's called Medicare. There is no reason why we can't have a huge gov't group health plan. The system is fucked up now.......you get medical problems and you become uninsurable, so you have to be on a group health plan for the rest of your life to have the protection that you need. You couldn't start your own small business, even if you wanted to. That's fucked up.
 

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Tough question. The real question is can we afford to make it a right? In 40 years the debt form entitlements will be something like 52 Trillion. With a T. So, judging by that, i would say not only is it NOT a right, its NOT feasible.
 

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The Constitution says the Federal Govt has 1 purpose....National defense........NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!

While it says nothing about healthcare i know it says more then just that, i think you better read it again, this time without the rose colored glasses.
 

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