so what do you guys think. should healthcare be a right or a privilege?

[DarrylParsons]

Humans can't give other humans rights. Rights, if they exist at all, come from God.

If you are bargaining with me about what rights you should have, I take that as you assuming I'm God. If you are talking about rights the gov't should give out, then you're assuming the gov't is God. Either way the assumption is wrong, and I can't address a question that's based on wrong assumptions.

 

[tiznow]

http://www.stjude.org/stjude/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=f2bfab46cb118010VgnVCM1000000e2015acRCRD

if we didn't have a fuckin farse crooked central bankster economy along with high taxation

more people could donate to st. judes to help out 12 yo's with cancer

government gets in the way of that

you liberals who think government is the solution are pure comedy

government gets in the way of helping those in need.....and spends OUR!!! money inefficiently doing it....in comparison to charities and such

 

[Risk44]

Humans can't give other humans rights. Rights, if they exist at all, come from God.

If you are bargaining with me about what rights you should have, I take that as you assuming I'm God. If you are talking about rights the gov't should give out, then you're assuming the gov't is God. Either way the assumption is wrong, and I can't address a question that's based on wrong assumptions.

Yeah but what if my God says that Humans can give other Humans rights?

Then what?

Or is it by your version of God only?

 

[tiznow]

Humans can't give other humans rights. Rights, if they exist at all, come from God.

If you are bargaining with me about what rights you should have, I take that as you assuming I'm God. If you are talking about rights the gov't should give out, then you're assuming the gov't is God. Either way the assumption is wrong, and I can't address a question that's based on wrong assumptions.

this goes back to my previous church rant

moral decay and the institutionalization of churches (the mega churches etc...) has really hurt us

i'm not a religous guy at all

but faith as far as helping the community and those in need is healthy

i really wish religious people would stop being sheep and figure out religion is about them, their personal faith, and about helping others

not going to some megachurch and lining the pockets of some whore who probably doesn't even believe in god to begin with and is just raping them of money

fucking churches run fucking ADS on TV now....its fucking insanity!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Uno]

Privledge. The only right you have is to breathe everything else get off your ass and go earn it.

incorrect. check out the bill of rights. there is a difference b/w a human right and a right of an american citizen. i am not saying health care is a right, just correcting your statement.

i was born in fort worth. and yes, i am a maverick.

 

[Uno]

Humans can't give other humans rights. Rights, if they exist at all, come from God.

If you are bargaining with me about what rights you should have, I take that as you assuming I'm God. If you are talking about rights the gov't should give out, then you're assuming the gov't is God. Either way the assumption is wrong, and I can't address a question that's based on wrong assumptions.

this is a funny and a good response but we are not talking about healthcare for every human on the face of the planet (your HUMAN right) we are talking about rights we have as citizens.

cannot blend the two together. god does not give us the right to free speech or the right to vote or the right to bear arms. some old guys in wigs and face powder gave us those rights.

 

[Uno]

Should a house, utilities, and food be a right?

no, who is running on this platform?

 

[timotinbowen]

Should a house, utilities, and food be a right?

Yes.

 

[Uno]

liberal arguments at their finest

you can call them whatever you want Willie but I work hard for the company I am employed by and for the benefit package they pay a portion of.

if I ever lose this coverage as a cancer survivor with a child with a very rare and expensive auto-immune disorder under the current system it will be next to impossible for me to find coverage and if I do it will not be affordable.

that has to be addressed. call it whatever you want but just letting people with preexisting conditions die off is not an option.

 

[guitarjosh]

no, who is running on this platform?

Why not? Free housing, food, and utilities would help someone much more then free health care payments. Imagine a world where you never have to fear losing your home, going hungry, freezing in the winter, roasting in the summer. All you have to do is work to pay your health care premium and luxuries.

 

[levistep]

Humans can't give other humans rights. Rights, if they exist at all, come from God.

If you are bargaining with me about what rights you should have, I take that as you assuming I'm God. If you are talking about rights the gov't should give out, then you're assuming the gov't is God. Either way the assumption is wrong, and I can't address a question that's based on wrong assumptions.

this is a funny and a good response but we are not talking about healthcare for every human on the face of the planet (your HUMAN right) we are talking about rights we have as citizens.

cannot blend the two together. god does not give us the right to free speech or the right to vote or the right to bear arms. some old guys in wigs and face powder gave us those rights.

Rights should not be government created. We have the rights of life, liberty, property, etc because we are all humans. All governments have curtailed these rights to certain extents.

 

[DarrylParsons]

Yeah but what if my God says that Humans can give other Humans rights?

Then what?

Or is it by your version of God only?

Then I'd be curious about your God and how it differs from mine. For example, I would ask ...

Your God regards theft and assault as acceptable, then? It would have to because these actions are needed for humans to enforce human-given rights.

 

[levistep]

Then I'd be curious about your God and how it differs from mine. For example, I would ask ...

Your God regards theft and assault as acceptable, then? It would have to because these actions are needed for humans to enforce human-given rights.

Some gods do suck though, so he brings up a decent point. Most gods actually grant very few natural rights.

 

[horns2695]

UNO

You are right we do have more rights under our contitution. Took it a little far with that comment. Just tired of people being victim me. In my opinion if you look hard enough there is always options out there for you. You just have to go find them. Lazy people who take advantage of the system for so long need to be dealt with. Unfortunately most people in my age group and younger believes the world and our government and their parents owe them something. The fact is that none of these owe you shit. Go earn your place in the world and no one is holding my generation of lazy asses accountable. 31 if you are wondering.

 

[Uno]

Rights should not be government created. We have the rights of life, liberty, property, etc because we are all humans. All governments have curtailed these rights to certain extents.

regardless we live in a country where our founding fathers had the foresight to give us the bill of rights.

whether they should be created by gov't or not one of the reasons we have long been the great place we have been, and still are, is because of the rights we were and are afforded.

 

[levistep]

regardless we live in a country where our founding fathers had the foresight to give us the bill of rights.

whether they should be created by gov't or not one of the reasons we have long been the great place we have been, and still are, is because of the rights we were and are afforded.

The founding fathers reaffirmed our rights; they didn't grant them to us.

 

[Uno]

UNO

You are right we do have more rights under our contitution. Took it a little far with that comment. Just tired of people being victim me. In my opinion if you look hard enough there is always options out there for you. You just have to go find them. Lazy people who take advantage of the system for so long need to be dealt with. Unfortunately most people in my age group and younger believes the world and our government and their parents owe them something. The fact is that none of these owe you shit. Go earn your place in the world and no one is holding my generation of lazy asses accountable. 31 if you are wondering.

as someone who supports Obama I disagree that healthcare should be a "right" but as someone who has been in the position of needing to find coverage and seeing what a cluster fuck it is when you are not protected by a group policy i can agree with him that we need fundamental change.

also as someone who works with small business owners who go without coverage because of it's cost or because of preexisting conditions i see people who work hard and still are at the mercy of the machine.

honestly the problem is people assume if someone does not have coverage it is because they are lazy. and that is because they are an easy group of people (the lazy ones) to blame and get pissed at. i hate it as well that some people who do not deserve it will get it but if that is what it takes to get it for those who do deserve it than i can swallow that.

 

[DarrylParsons]

this is a funny and a good response but we are not talking about healthcare for every human on the face of the planet (your HUMAN right) we are talking about rights we have as citizens.

cannot blend the two together. god does not give us the right to free speech or the right to vote or the right to bear arms. some old guys in wigs and face powder gave us those rights.

I don't think America's founding documents refer to those rights as given by the gov't. Rather, they refer to them as God-given rights that the gov't or anyone else cannot ever take away without repercussions.

I realize it often comes down to semantics, so I'll try to be conciliatory and adjust my definitions to accommodate the intent of the original question ...

No, I don't think people have rights to even survive one day. If you happen to survive, you are fortunate and should be thankful (to God IMO).

If basic survival is not a right, then healthcare most certainly isn't in my book. Regarding it otherwise encourages humanity to evolve backwards IMO.

 

[Uno]

The founding fathers reaffirmed our rights; they didn't grant them to us.

where does the right to vote come from? the right to bear arms?

 

[Uno]

I don't think America's founding documents refer to those rights as given by the gov't. Rather, they refer to them as God-given rights that the gov't or anyone else cannot ever take away without repercussions.

I realize it often comes down to semantics, so I'll try to be conciliatory and adjust my definitions to accommodate the intent of the original question ...

No, I don't think people have rights to even survive one day. If you happen to survive, you are fortunate and should be thankful (to God IMO).

If basic survival is not a right, then healthcare most certainly isn't in my book. Regarding it otherwise encourages humanity to evolve backwards IMO.

i hear where you are coming from and agree with it to some degree.