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Sick asked why aren't you guys in the casinos 24/7 now if it is so good?
Fellas, slots are a lot like real estate in that there are boom/ bust periods. Things are great for awhile, then the casinos and semi-sharps find out about the current "hot moneymaker" and things go "bust" for awhile.
Chicago is a very good example of this. In 1998 and into 1999 you could make an easy $125 per/ hour with a very legal technique on beating mini-progressive slots. ( cherry pies, temperature rising, diamod mines and many other variations). Currently it is impossible to average $20 hour on these type of machines in Joliet, Elgin and Gary.
Several factors attributed to this sharp decline in hourly earnings:
1)Competition increased signifigantly
2)Manufacturers changed the chip
3)Most of these mini-progressive machines that could be beaten legally are now gone.
Almost every game, including roulette, requires some degree of skill required to win. You might just be looking in the wrong place or more likely at the wrong variables. If you can define the skills you need to win, you are well on your way to making a profit at that endeavor.
Fellas, slots are a lot like real estate in that there are boom/ bust periods. Things are great for awhile, then the casinos and semi-sharps find out about the current "hot moneymaker" and things go "bust" for awhile.
Chicago is a very good example of this. In 1998 and into 1999 you could make an easy $125 per/ hour with a very legal technique on beating mini-progressive slots. ( cherry pies, temperature rising, diamod mines and many other variations). Currently it is impossible to average $20 hour on these type of machines in Joliet, Elgin and Gary.
Several factors attributed to this sharp decline in hourly earnings:
1)Competition increased signifigantly
2)Manufacturers changed the chip
3)Most of these mini-progressive machines that could be beaten legally are now gone.
Almost every game, including roulette, requires some degree of skill required to win. You might just be looking in the wrong place or more likely at the wrong variables. If you can define the skills you need to win, you are well on your way to making a profit at that endeavor.
JJ,
I will try to post my plays for tomorow night at Mohawk harness. Keep an eye in case I find something - cursory glance tells me there may be value. (ie: $2 bet yields $4 to win.)
**PS: "Cardfather " - you are correct. Roulette does require some "skill" and you CAN make money at it if you are VERY patient and observant. I win at this game very consistently although I am not cocky enough to believe that I can earn my living off of it. I think that if I tried to push the envelope, I could possibly try too hard and see things that just are not there. For now I'll remain content with my level of success
cheers
sds
I will try to post my plays for tomorow night at Mohawk harness. Keep an eye in case I find something - cursory glance tells me there may be value. (ie: $2 bet yields $4 to win.)
**PS: "Cardfather " - you are correct. Roulette does require some "skill" and you CAN make money at it if you are VERY patient and observant. I win at this game very consistently although I am not cocky enough to believe that I can earn my living off of it. I think that if I tried to push the envelope, I could possibly try too hard and see things that just are not there. For now I'll remain content with my level of success
cheers
sds
About 8 years ago, slot makers introduced slot machines that had a banking/bonus feature. Piggy Bankin' slot was the first one that I heard of.
As people played, the bank grew. Regular gamblers would often walk away before the bank was hit--and often just as the bank became very ripe (the amount of credits in the bank was shown somewhere on the screen). Sharp players would then play the machine with the ripe bank and have an edge over the slot machine.
In other words, you could only beat certain machines under certain conditions.
It's not rocket science. Voodoo is correct. They did/do give you an edge over the house. The games were/are all over--LV, AC, Miss, Conn, Indian joints and racinos. They still are.
Unfortunately, the regular players soon became wise, and they wouldn't leave the machine with a ripe bank. They would play it until the bonus was hit. Even better, many of the gray-haired slot players turned into quasi-sharp players and they would go and search out the ripe slots. It's funny to watch grandma and grandpa searching out ripe bonus slot games
I've played them in the past, and made a few K. Nothing to brag about. Now the return is too low, and every casino area has its groups of slot hounds who search out these types of machines on a daily basis. The competition is too stiff and like Voodoo said, there are better ways to make money. Plus I don't live in a casino town, so it's not something I can do everyday.
But believe Voodoo when he speaks. These opportunities were very real.
As people played, the bank grew. Regular gamblers would often walk away before the bank was hit--and often just as the bank became very ripe (the amount of credits in the bank was shown somewhere on the screen). Sharp players would then play the machine with the ripe bank and have an edge over the slot machine.
In other words, you could only beat certain machines under certain conditions.
It's not rocket science. Voodoo is correct. They did/do give you an edge over the house. The games were/are all over--LV, AC, Miss, Conn, Indian joints and racinos. They still are.
Unfortunately, the regular players soon became wise, and they wouldn't leave the machine with a ripe bank. They would play it until the bonus was hit. Even better, many of the gray-haired slot players turned into quasi-sharp players and they would go and search out the ripe slots. It's funny to watch grandma and grandpa searching out ripe bonus slot games
I've played them in the past, and made a few K. Nothing to brag about. Now the return is too low, and every casino area has its groups of slot hounds who search out these types of machines on a daily basis. The competition is too stiff and like Voodoo said, there are better ways to make money. Plus I don't live in a casino town, so it's not something I can do everyday.
But believe Voodoo when he speaks. These opportunities were very real.
Voodoo probably hates me for saying this but you will not find many sharper than he is. That's fact. Like most wiseguys they don't trumpet it all over the place as there is no gain in that. I only say that because when you find yourself on the other end of an argument with him, good luck.
He knows the business my friends.
He knows the business my friends.
CARDFATHER's explanation was right on the money. Personally, and unfortunately, I only made it to the Chicago land area once and this was after the big gravy had been eaten. Had associates who pocketed over $100,000 in about 6 weeks time there. They had many $25 slot machines of these variations. I have literally visited about every area of the country that has had these machines.....California, New Mexico, Arizona, Mississippi, Florida, Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin, IOWA, South Dakota, Minnesota, New Jersey,COLORADO, and of course Nevada. Found some very good pickings along the way. You may not realize it, but people that were motivated and had learned the games expertly, made over a MILLION dollars on these machines.
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Green Doberman, it's not the only way.
There are some very skilled individuals
who can analyze a machine till they determine the base payback. Once they have that nailed down it is a more simple process to arrive
at the break-even point that a progressive meter must be at to make the machine
profitable. Same principle as Video Poker progressives. Determining a VP payback is easy
with the software available but figuring out
payback and jackpot frequency for a slot is
much harder. No software exists for that
so you have to really know what you're doing.
There are some very skilled individuals
who can analyze a machine till they determine the base payback. Once they have that nailed down it is a more simple process to arrive
at the break-even point that a progressive meter must be at to make the machine
profitable. Same principle as Video Poker progressives. Determining a VP payback is easy
with the software available but figuring out
payback and jackpot frequency for a slot is
much harder. No software exists for that
so you have to really know what you're doing.
STRUT888/FISHHEAD
Voodoo
krackman
Understandable that you're not exactly pouring your secrets out on the forum here, but fwiw there are people who would pay pretty well to have that info. I know one of them.
Failing that, have you ever run across any particular books, videos etc. on the subject that you found helpful? I've seen the electronic devices and was suprised to hear that they actually work, but something like that I would not be willing to use on a casino's machine; only on a government-subsidised one as can be found in some states (where it is basically owned or subleased out by the lottery people.) Government machines I don't mind stealing blind; private ones are a different story. But I would definitely be interested in learning more about it, if you have any tips for what direction to look.
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Be happy to do it c,mon down south big boy.
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Where down south are you? I'm in the south for most of the year.
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