SICKGAMBLER TRIAL ...VERDICT , NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!

sickgambler · Jul 27, 2003

A.M. Munari is the only woman that I ever bet for. And yes, I am not embarassed to say this, because I have nothing to hide sir.. A.M. Munari did put up half the money with me. She is separate from my brother. They have separate accts and she came up to me 1.5 yrs ago and asked me if i can make her money, and I said, I will gamble and split it with you.. I only used her name with only a few books in my life, not many times. She was NOT my backer, and none really were my backers. The only one is Rick, because he's got money. These few names that I used are all men who are legit and who were mostly gambling friends who wanted a piece of the action sir. And remember, all these names are real people with real idenitities and real addresses and all knew what was going on sir, including A.M. Munari.

Whether it be a girl or not, there is nothing wrong with sending money offshore for someone who wants you to make money for them and want to split the profits with me, why not. If someone has money to invest and wants to invest in me, why not. Is this illegal? NO WAY..

If my darling Clevfan

came up to me and said, sick, can i give you 5,000 to send for me and you play for me, would this be illegal boys? SAme thing happend here with A.M. Munari. This would not be illegal and would be great for both of us because I am not a man with money who can afford to bet big bucks, so anyone that wants to give me money to play for them, fine, its only good for me too.

I AM INNOCENT BOYS..

I SWEAR I AM..

I have nothing to hide here, because i know i am innocent, and I will prove that I have NEVER scammed anyone in my life..

JudgeWapner · Jul 27, 2003

Sorry sick,too many damn coincidences.If you didn't try to circumvent the bonus rules,you are certainly guilty of not being very bright.

TheGeneral+ · Jul 27, 2003

IDENTITY
Certifiably Crazy posted July 27, 2003 03:41 PM
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Judge Journey

the facts in this case are UNDISPUTED.

1. sick's friends agreed to open up accounts with sportsbooks and for sick to gamble on those accounts so as to obtain a bonus therefrom.

2. sick's friends would be paid a fee for such use of their names.

3. sick would place bets on the accounts under his friends' names, and would satisfy the 5 times rollover requirement.

4. sick's friends did not know what sick was betting on those accounts.

accordingly, the only question remaining as to sick's guilt/innocence is not one of FACT, but is one of LAW.

ARE FRIENDS' SIGNING UP AND GIVING THE BETTING FRIEND TOTAL USE OF THE ACCOUNT ILLEGAL?

i think not, because if the accounts lose, the books are happy. if the accounts win, the books took a shot and lost.

this to me is no different than books offering bonuses to ANYONE. it just so happens in this case that they are dealing with only one better.... but the risk is the same.....

SICK - if these are the only allegations against you, then i find you INNOCENT.

if, however, there is evidence of you PAST-POSTING or other stuff like that, for which you were paid, we have a different problem.

JOURNEYMAN - you must decide the above question of law, as the facts regarding bonus whoring are not in dispute.
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truthteller · Jul 27, 2003

If you all agreed to this why was her neteller locked and remains locked?

sickgambler · Jul 27, 2003

I SWEAR TO GOD, I HAVE NOT LIED ABOUT ANYTHING I SAID.. EVERYONE KNEW, INCLUDING MY FRIENDS THAT I WAS BETTING FOR THEM..

JUDGE, I KNOW YOU HATE ME NOW BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ARE PALS WITH CLEVFAN, SO THIS IS UNDERSTANDABLE SIR, BUT YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT, I DID NOT SCAM ANY BOOK. I NEVER SCAMMED ANY BOOK IN MY LIFE. FIND ME ONE BOOK THAT CAN SAY THAT I WAS ONLY AFTER BONUS AND GOT OUT FAST AFTER ROLLOVER. I GAVE ALL BOOKS A TON OF ACTION AND NEVER HID MY IP, OR DISGUISED MY VOICE. IN FACT, MANY BOOKS KNEW EXACTLY I WAS SAME GUY AS THE PREVIOUS BETTOR BEC OF MY IP AND VOICE, AND THEY NEVER CARED BEC I ONLY GAVE THEM 300 DIMES IN ACTION BEFORE I CASHED OUT OR LOST.. I WAS A DREAM CUSTOMER TO EVERY BOOK I EVER PLAYED FOR, INCLUDING RIO.. WHO I ONLY GAVE THEM ABOUT 400 DIMES IN ACTION SIR.

I DONT BLAME YOU FOR HATING ME JUDGY, WHO KNOWS WHAT CLEVFAN HAS TOLD YOU ABOUT ME IN THE LAST 2 MONTHS. ITS ONLY RIGHT FOR YOU TO HATE ME. BUT YOU NEVER HEARD MY END OF THE STORY.. TAKE CARE.

sickgambler · Jul 27, 2003

Truthteller, that is very simple my friend and a very easy question to answer..

Colin F told me that NETeller has now changed all its policies now and only 1 acct can be open now for each IP. So i said sure, I have NO problem with that, as I am now only needing 1 acct. I had NO problem with that. All i need is 1 name now anyways. I don't need more than that sir. I just told my buddies that I can no longer play for any of them..

THE SHRINK · Jul 27, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sick gambler:
I SWEAR TO GOD, I HAVE NOT LIED ABOUT ANYTHING I SAID.. EVERYONE KNEW, INCLUDING MY FRIENDS THAT I WAS BETTING FOR THEM..

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then how do you explain this from my testimony?

Name: Claude Hallal

Rick Corneanu, a resident of Quebec, Canada, appeared to be holding multiple accounts within our group of companies. IP checks began returning different names, and voice records quickly revealed the fact that it was one single person we were dealing with, and not several. We tracked the phone line he used to call us to match that of another player’s account, whose registered name was Andre Hallal. Immediately this search returned another name, AM Munari.

Rick Corneanu then called inquiring on the status of a payout request he submitted. The caller’s identification was required faxed to us prior to processing any further banking transactions. The caller voiced disbelief that we would request such a thing, stating “you mean I got to run around town all day to get that to you?”

Using the name of Rick Corneanu, again this individual entered into a chat session with me, and was again advised that no further transactions would be processed until he submitted a faxed copy of his Identification.

After ending the Live Person chat session, it was decided that we would call the phone number on file for Rick Corneanu. I asked Rick Corneanu basic questions regarding his account to which he had no answers. The questions were:

Please repeat your account number

– DID NOT KNOW
Please repeat your account’s password

– DID NOT KNOW

What is your account’s balance?
– DID NOT KNOW

What was the last wager you placed this morning?

– DID NOT KNOW

Do you recall chatting with me over LivePerson minutes ago?

– NO.

JoeyC · Jul 27, 2003

General:

According to your thinking someone who who stole 1000 10 times ( 10 dimes ) should be afforded the same sentence of clemency as 10 individuals who stole 1000 for the first time.

After all, you might argue, the company was robbed for 10 dimes in total so whats the diff.

Is this what you are saying General?

sickgambler · Jul 27, 2003

shrink, I already explained it sir..
don't you ever listen.

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the investigation said...

Please repeat your account number

– DID NOT KNOW
Please repeat your account’s password

– DID NOT KNOW

What is your account’s balance?
– DID NOT KNOW

What was the last wager you placed this morning?

– DID NOT KNOW

Do you recall chatting with me over LivePerson minutes ago?

– NO.
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of course he did not know any of this, this is acceptable as I controlled the betting, and he was the investor.. Remember, i sat at pc the whole time and made the bets. I NEVER hid my IP. I NEVER disguised my voice to anyone. If i wanted to scam anyone, why not use another computer, or hire a kid for 5 bucks an hr to call in bets for me. Why did i always work from my home on same computer and never hide my IP. Why did i call from same phone, that's because I never scammed anyone. I always gave the books tons of action, tons.. and never withdrew my money out till i rolled it over many many times, or lost it all..

suetoneous · Jul 27, 2003

So where did Sick Gambler, specifically, violate Rio’s “betting rules?”

Sick Gambler opened up an account for a friend. This friend is real. The friend put up x/dollars at Rio. (I think the book in question is Rio, correct?) Rio paid a bonus for this new account. Sick Gambler made the bets.

Sick Gambler, is this where we are right now?

Q: Is this a real ‘new account?'

Sick Gambler’s A: Yes

Q: Is the money for the ‘new account’ coming from a new client?

SG’s A: Yes. If it isn’t, then Rio has burden of proof to prove that is not. Also, there is no rule that I see from Rio stating specifically that one person may not make bets “for a friend.” Sick Gambler was doing just this.

Did Sick Gambler make any attempt to hide or conceal his activities?

SG's A: No. And Rio also has not stated that there was any attempt to conceal anything.

Was Sick Gambler under the impression he was following Rio's betting rules with regard to betting on someone elses account?

SG'S A: Yes.

Q: Was Sick Gambler ever violating any betting rules at Rio? I.e. using two accounts to exceed betting limits.

SG’s A: ????

TheGeneral+ · Jul 27, 2003

Joey, I copied that from another thread that IDENTITY posted. Trying to keep the offshore from being cluttered with topics on this matter. So the question applies to ID. Sorry for the confusion.

I am just following along

JudgeWapner · Jul 27, 2003

Sick,don't hate you man.Sure I'm tight with Clev.But I learned a long time ago not to let the relationships of others enter into my relationships with people.It's just that a lot doesn't make sense here,and it has the appearence of you trying to get around bonus rules.I could be wrong.Wouldn't be the first time.Unfortunately,I still am in the habit of seeing things from a books perspective.And from that perspective I think you are wrong here.No big deal to me one way or another,wasn't my money.Gonna go sit on the deck now,look out over the mountain,have a cocktail and be glad I don't have to deal with problems such as this for the time being.I am sure the truth will come out one way or the other.

THE SHRINK · Jul 27, 2003

Sick,

Youu testified that you NEVER LIED to RIO but you LIED to them, pretending to be Rick Corneanu on their live chat and on the phone!

If he was one of your partners, then how come he never knew that you even had an account there at RIO under his name?

THE SHRINK

suetoneous · Jul 27, 2003

>>>"If he was one of your partners, then how come he never knew that you even had an account there at RIO under his name?"<<<

Shrink, I don't see the lack of knowledge of an acct at Rio anywhere in the conversation.

sickgambler · Jul 27, 2003

shrink, i never lied to RIO. I only went to their chat session and I asked them when the payout will be sent, and they said who am I, and i said it's rick corneanu. And why would rick know who i bet with. I only told him to give me 30k and I will try to bring back 35 for him in 3 months. He knew I was betting for him because he gave me the cash, but didn't know which book, as there was more than 1, there was a couple sir. And I didn't lie about my name bec when Mike of RIO called me to ask me what my name is, I told him *** and i gave him my email, of which i replied to immediately and then he knew i was NOT a liar..

[This message was edited by The General on August 01, 2003 at 08:34 PM.]

truthteller · Jul 27, 2003

Sick,

How do you explain this when yous aid you were always straight up with RIO?

"After the individual was informed that his account was under investigation for fraud, the caller then identified himself as **** for the first time, and not Rick Corneanu like he had previously stated."

[This message was edited by The General on August 01, 2003 at 08:34 PM.]

sickgambler · Jul 27, 2003

shrink, i did everything exactly what suetoneous said in this post, of which most people said this is NOT illegal or scamming..The difference here is that each name is legit and none were made up and all ID's matched and they all knew (my buddies)

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<<< posted by suetoneous>>>

Hypothetically, let’s suppose you call a friend and ask him if he would like to make a quick 2K. He, of course, is interested. You tell him you want to deposit his 10k into a certain sportsbook that is offering a 20% bonus. You’ll fulfill all the requirements required by the book to qualify for a withdrawal of the bonus and deposit. All your friend has to do is sit back and wait…maybe 3/4 months for you to complete the requirements. Naturally, your friend wants to know what’s in it for you. You tell him you’ll get a referral bonus of 10% and you’re going to try to hit middles i.e. very little or no risk to your friend’s money. Any middle you hit goes to you – not the friend. Now your friend isn’t really sure how it works, but he trusts you and gives you the money. You then set up a Neteller account for him – with his consent – and withdraw 10k from his bank account. You tell him to call you in 3/4 months and you’ll have his money for him.

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If this is considered scamming, then pls throw me in jail and throw away the key. thank you..

truthteller · Jul 27, 2003

You set up an account for him at Neteller? You can't do that unless Neteller calls that individual. That never happened because david kahane went ahead and certified them immediately without making any phone calls.

Journeyman · Jul 27, 2003

IDENTITY, MAKES ALOT OF SENSE ACTUALLY......SICK IS IT FAIR TO SAY YOU WERE SPONGING BONUS MONEY ?

sickgambler · Jul 27, 2003

truth, i told him that because he asked me what my real name is, and I told him. I had NOTHING to hide here sir, as like I said, I was NOT scamming.. I even offered Mike to pay his ticket, come to MTL and come meet Rick and interview him. I had nothing to hide here..