Should the Joe Paterno Statue Come Down in Happy Valley?

[TheRightSide]

Word for word from the Sandusky Grand Jury Findings.

"Paterno called Tim Curley, Penn St. athletic director and Paterno's immediate superior to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

wow losing more and more respect for you with every post. So I guess as every week went past and nothing happened to this guy Joepa was just ok with it.

HE WAS PROTECTING THE PROGRAM. what is so hard for you to understand.

BURN IN HELL JOEPA. I hope his kid gets aides. I hope they all catch cancer and die a painfull death.



And don't give me the karma BS thats just a dumb statement for people to feel better about themselves. I want to be the karma that fucks them up

 

[GoSooners]

Let's call it exibit 1,298 on why you don't build statues, and name streets and buildings after people before they've died.

 

[CHOPTALK]

wow losing more and more respect for you with every post.

Wow, the feeling could not be more mutual.
So because Sandusky is a rapist you want to wish cancer and aids on his wife kids, grandkids, and grandkids kids.
You remind me of the anti-abortion freeks who blow up the abortion clinics.

This makes you is sick of a fuck as Sandusky.
So because Peterno did not report it like he should you think all of his relatives who had absolutely nothing to do with any of this should die of aids and cancer.

Damm, lucky for you(maybe) your grampa did not ass rape anyone before you were born. But then again, the more I think about it maybe he did.

 

[Enfuego]

wow losing more and more respect for you with every post. So I guess as every week went past and nothing happened to this guy Joepa was just ok with it.

HE WAS PROTECTING THE PROGRAM. what is so hard for you to understand.

BURN IN HELL JOEPA. I hope his kid gets aides. I hope they all catch cancer and die a painfull death.



And don't give me the karma BS thats just a dumb statement for people to feel better about themselves. I want to be the karma that fucks them up

I've been consistent throughout this entire thread in saying he exercised bad judgement in not following up on his report to Curley.

 

[TheRightSide]

Wow, the feeling could not be more mutual.
So because Sandusky is a rapist you want to wish cancer and aids on his wife kids, grandkids, and grandkids kids.
You remind me of the anti-abortion freeks who blow up the abortion clinics.

This makes you is sick of a fuck as Sandusky.
So because Peterno did not report it like he should you think all of his relatives who had absolutely nothing to do with any of this should die of aids and cancer.

Damm, lucky for you(maybe) your grampa did not ass rape anyone before you were born. But then again, the more I think about it maybe he did.

Ok here's my list of people to kill.

Sanduskey
His wife. No way she did not know he was doing this right in her own home.

JoePa. He knew something was going on. Remember Sanduskey was going to replace him as coach and then all the sudden he "retired". JoePa would have to die for what he did.

JoePa's wife........just to get even she would has to die.

All 3 Penn State Admins that knew yet did nothing. They for sure would have to die. Maybe ass rape thier wives right infront of them before you kill them.

MCQuery needs to die for sure for being such a coward. Again ass rape his wife so he can understand what those ittle boys went through.



There is no need for pedophiles to live and no need for the people that protect them to live either.

Also I am all for abortion. The easier we make it to get rid of hoodrats the better

 

[PatsFanatic]

Joe Paterno didn't witness a crime and the crime he was told about was described as "horsing around."

Enfuego, You keep going to this "horsing around" defense. And I understand that is what was reported. But you need to keep in mind that shit was toned down by Joe Pa when he reported the incident to Curley.

McQuery was so upset by what he had seen that he immediately called his father, went to his house to discuss, then first thing the next morning went to Joe Pa's house in person to tell him because he was so upset. Why would "horsing around" make him do these things?? Because he saw rape, reported that to Joe Pa, who in turn told his own version of what his friend did.

All of this took place after many prior incidents that Joe Pa knew about. I'll go as far as saying if Joe Pa was still alive he would be investigated just like the others will be. I know that sounds crazy but this went so far past this one incident.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Ok here's my list of people to kill.

Sanduskey
His wife. No way she did not know he was doing this right in her own home.

JoePa. He knew something was going on. Remember Sanduskey was going to replace him as coach and then all the sudden he "retired". JoePa would have to die for what he did.

JoePa's wife........just to get even she would has to die.

All 3 Penn State Admins that knew yet did nothing. They for sure would have to die. Maybe ass rape thier wives right infront of them before you kill them.

MCQuery needs to die for sure for being such a coward. Again ass rape his wife so he can understand what those ittle boys went through.



There is no need for pedophiles to live and no need for the people that protect them to live either.

Also I am all for abortion. The easier we make it to get rid of hoodrats the better

Thats quite different then you last post.
I dont find any fault with JoePa's wife.
Im sure she had no idea what was going on.
But I do agree that there is exactly a zero percent chance that Sanduskey's wife did not know what was going on.
I mean how in the hell can he keep visting kids in the basement without her putting 2 and 2 together.
But I dont think JoePa's wife had a clue about what was going on.

Although I think even this latest post of your's is drastic.
Its quite different from the ones before where you basically said that anyone who practically ever met Sandusky should be killed including all his kids, grand kids, and grand kids kids etc...

 

[SECplayer]

Statute should come down immediately.

The common defense of JoePa seems to be that he "technically" did the right thing by reporting it to his boss. First of all, any boss JoePa had was in title only. He basically ran that university, not to mention anything and everything related to the football program. Even considering that, I could understand your defense if Sandusky was alleged of something like cheating on his taxes, but he was accused of molesting children. And JoePa and Penn St officials were already aware of Sandusky's potential ways because he was investigated for this very crime in 1998. Granted, he was ultimately not charged but when they hear the very same allegation a mere 3 years later, I think a few bells should have gone off. Again, there is literally no more heinous crime than child molestation and child rape. To hide behind a defense that he told his boss and that's all he had to do so he did nothing wrong is crazy. Fuck JoePa.

Again, JoePa all but ran Penn St.

Fact - if JoePa would've done what he was fully capable of and made sure this was handled correctly, Sandusky would've been jailed 11 years ago.

Fact - because he didn't, countless children were raped by an absolute monster who used Penn St as basically a vehicle to do so.

I've never been to Penn St but I'm pretty sure I'd take an ax or blowtorch to that statute the first time I saw it.

 

[VIEJODINOSAUR]

what a stupid remark.

Yeah really stupid...maybe I should dumb it down a bit so you can understand....Paterno did not molest those kids and you don't know for sure what he knew and did not know....

 

[ALSportsJunkie]

When the true extent of this coverup is revealed...if it is shown Joe pa knowingly withheld info...what then? Should they take it down then?

 

[Tacopants]

Enfuego, You keep going to this "horsing around" defense. And I understand that is what was reported. But you need to keep in mind that shit was toned down by Joe Pa when he reported the incident to Curley.

McQuery was so upset by what he had seen that he immediately called his father, went to his house to discuss, then first thing the next morning went to Joe Pa's house in person to tell him because he was so upset. Why would "horsing around" make him do these things?? Because he saw rape, reported that to Joe Pa, who in turn told his own version of what his friend did.

All of this took place after many prior incidents that Joe Pa knew about. I'll go as far as saying if Joe Pa was still alive he would be investigated just like the others will be. I know that sounds crazy but this went so far past this one incident.

+1

What grad asst. goes directly to the head coaches house on a Sunday to say nothing???? Of course McQuery told JoePa what was going on because why else would a grad asst. go the head coaches house on a Sunday if it was not football related? Also, if JoePa did not believe McQuery why did he HIRE HIM AS A COACH?!?! JoePa obviously believed McQuery because he hired him as a full-time coach after the incident! Why would JoePa hire someone he thought was lying about a former player and D-coordinator doing domething sexual in nature to a minor? Who would lie about something like that? Would you hire someone you thought was lying about someone being a child molester? I could not think of a worse lie to tell someone. JoePa had to believe McQuery was telling the truth!

Also, it has been reported that Sandusky was working out in the football building where the very acts took place up until a month before it came out in the press. If anything, JoePa could have told Sandusky & Penn State administrators I don't want that predator near MY FOOTBALL FACILITIES! And don't give me this BS that Sandusky had a contract to use the football facilities after retirement. If you believe that you should stop commenting on this issue right now. JoePa was Penn State and if the head football coach does not want you in their football facilities you WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS! I played small time college football and if my head coach at a tiny college did not want you in the football facilitites you were not getting in period! JoePa knew Sandusky was using his football facilities where some of the rapes took place which is a slap in the face to everyone who was molested and gave the impression that JoePa and PSU were protecting Sandusky! Even if JoePa did report it to law enforcment and they chose not to do anything the very least JoePa could have done was ban Sandusky from all PSU football facilities. But that never happened and that is why JoePa is very much culpable in these acts for buryig his head in the sand when he had the bully pulpit to shame Sandusky and make his life very uncomfortable.

 

[Enfuego]

Enfuego, You keep going to this "horsing around" defense. And I understand that is what was reported. But you need to keep in mind that shit was toned down by Joe Pa when he reported the incident to Curley.

McQuery was so upset by what he had seen that he immediately called his father, went to his house to discuss, then first thing the next morning went to Joe Pa's house in person to tell him because he was so upset. Why would "horsing around" make him do these things?? Because he saw rape, reported that to Joe Pa, who in turn told his own version of what his friend did.

All of this took place after many prior incidents that Joe Pa knew about. I'll go as far as saying if Joe Pa was still alive he would be investigated just like the others will be. I know that sounds crazy but this went so far past this one incident.

Patsfanatic, let me be clear about this again even though I already posted TESTIMONY from Mike McQueary.

McQueary testified when he went over to the coach's house to report what he saw he used very discrete language and watered down his version OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE COACH. You said McQueary told the coach he saw a rape. THIS IS NOT WHAT MCQUEARY TESTIFIED TO IN COURT. These are not the words he used.

I'm not making up what McQueary reported. This is what he testified to. These are not my words.

Let me ask you this. Did you read the entire grand jury document?

 

[Enfuego]

Guys, it's very clear many of you have not read the grand jury testimony which is an open document that all of you have access to just by doing a little research online.

It's obvious because many of you are guessing at what YOU THINK McQueary told Joe Paterno. The fact is that the grand jury document explains exactly what McQueary says he told Coach Paterno.

Instead of guessing, just do a little research on your own. Again, I'm not saying Paterno is innocent and should not have done more but you guys think McQueary went over and told Paterno he saw a kid being raped in the shower. According to McQueary's own testimony, this is not what he reported. Read it for yourselves.

 

[Tacopants]

Guys, it's very clear many of you have not read the grand jury testimony which is an open document that all of you have access to just by doing a little research online.

It's obvious because many of you are guessing at what YOU THINK McQueary told Joe Paterno. The fact is that the grand jury document explains exactly what McQueary says he told Coach Paterno.

Instead of guessing, just do a little research on your own. Again, I'm not saying Paterno is innocent and should not have done more but you guys think McQueary went over and told Paterno he saw a kid being raped in the shower. According to McQueary's own testimony, this is not what he reported. Read it for yourselves.

Enfuego, did you read all of the legal documents??? Can you read? Please stop posting. The grand jury foreman asked Paterno "without getting into graphic detail, what did Mr. McQueary tell you he had seen and where"? Operative words, without getting into graphic detail. Paterno replied quote "Well, he had seen a person, an older-not an older, but a mature person who was fondling, whatever you might call it - I'm not sure what the term would be - a young boy"

Okay, after being told not to go into graphic detail Paterno said by HIS OWN WORDS HE HAD SEEN SANDUSKY FONDLING A YOUNG BOY!!! WHAT THE F MORE DO YOU NEED!

The grand jury foreman than asked quote "I think you used the term fondling. Is that the term you used"? To which Paterno replied "Well, I don't know what you would call it. Obviously he was doing something to the youngster. It was sexual in nature. I am not exactly sure what it was. I didn't push Mike to describe exactly what it was because he was very upset. So I told-I didn't go any further than that except I knew Mike was upset and I knew some kind of inappropriate action was being taken by Jerry Sandusky with a youngster".

So JeoPa admits Sandusky was doing something of a sexual nature,fondling, with a youngster in the Penn State Football showers when no one was around! Not only that, he admits he did not push McQueary to get into details because McQueary, a 28 year old man at the time, was visibly upset. So visibly upset, the nobody grad asst. McQueary calls the legendary head coach JoePa at 800 AM on a Saturday morning and demands an immediate meeting over a non-football issue. Need I go on? Enfuego, what do you need, McQueary showing a video of Sandusky raping a kid on his Iphone to Paterno?

Enfuego, but you say "but you guys think McQueary went over and told Paterno he saw a kid being raped in the shower. According to McQuaery's own testimony, this is not what he reported". Again, you are wrong! McQueary testified I quote "
I went to his house (JoePA) and sat at his kitchen table and told him I saw Jerry with a young boy in the shower. That it was way over the lines and extremely sexual in nature. The rough positioning I described but not in much detail". Enfuego, maybe you and me have different definitions of rape but an adult doing something extremely sexual in nature alone in a shower with a minor is rape. Since when is it not rape for an adult and a minor to be alone in a shower doing something sexual in nature?

What did you want McQueary to say, how he saw Sandusky spreading the butt cheeks of a kid? How much detail do you need? I am glad that PSU entrusted JoePa to teach hundreds of young men but he was too senile to understand what was going on in his own locker room. PSU football should be on the death penalty to set an example. Hundred times worse than paying James & Dickerson or getting tatoos for memorabilia.

 

[Enfuego]

Enfuego, did you read all of the legal documents??? Can you read? Please stop posting. The grand jury foreman asked Paterno "without getting into graphic detail, what did Mr. McQueary tell you he had seen and where"? Operative words, without getting into graphic detail. Paterno replied quote "Well, he had seen a person, an older-not an older, but a mature person who was fondling, whatever you might call it - I'm not sure what the term would be - a young boy"

Okay, after being told not to go into graphic detail Paterno said by HIS OWN WORDS HE HAD SEEN SANDUSKY FONDLING A YOUNG BOY!!! WHAT THE F MORE DO YOU NEED!

The grand jury foreman than asked quote "I think you used the term fondling. Is that the term you used"? To which Paterno replied "Well, I don't know what you would call it. Obviously he was doing something to the youngster. It was sexual in nature. I am not exactly sure what it was. I didn't push Mike to describe exactly what it was because he was very upset. So I told-I didn't go any further than that except I knew Mike was upset and I knew some kind of inappropriate action was being taken by Jerry Sandusky with a youngster".

So JeoPa admits Sandusky was doing something of a sexual nature,fondling, with a youngster in the Penn State Football showers when no one was around! Not only that, he admits he did not push McQueary to get into details because McQueary, a 28 year old man at the time, was visibly upset. So visibly upset, the nobody grad asst. McQueary calls the legendary head coach JoePa at 800 AM on a Saturday morning and demands an immediate meeting over a non-football issue. Need I go on? Enfuego, what do you need, McQueary showing a video of Sandusky raping a kid on his Iphone to Paterno?

Enfuego, but you say "but you guys think McQueary went over and told Paterno he saw a kid being raped in the shower. According to McQuaery's own testimony, this is not what he reported". Again, you are wrong! McQueary testified I quote "
I went to his house (JoePA) and sat at his kitchen table and told him I saw Jerry with a young boy in the shower. That it was way over the lines and extremely sexual in nature. The rough positioning I described but not in much detail". Enfuego, maybe you and me have different definitions of rape but an adult doing something extremely sexual in nature alone in a shower with a minor is rape. Since when is it not rape for an adult and a minor to be alone in a shower doing something sexual in nature?

What did you want McQueary to say, how he saw Sandusky spreading the butt cheeks of a kid? How much detail do you need? I am glad that PSU entrusted JoePa to teach hundreds of young men but he was too senile to understand what was going on in his own locker room. PSU football should be on the death penalty to set an example. Hundred times worse than paying James & Dickerson or getting tatoos for memorabilia.

I had to have my neighbor read this to me as I guess I can't read so it took me awhile to respond. The below is the crux of our discussion.

"I went to his house (JoePA) and sat at his kitchen table and told him I saw Jerry with a young boy in the shower. That it was way over the lines and extremely sexual in nature. The rough positioning I described but not in much detail."

Mike McQueary testified he did not go into detail with Paterno about what he saw out of respect for the coach (this is in the grand jury testimony). If you came to my house and told me you saw something that was way over the lines and extremely sexual in nature my next question would be "ok, what did you see?" That is not the conversation that took place. I think (may not be true) this is how it went.

In Joe Pa's house at the kitchen table...

McQueary: Coach, I was at the Lasch Building last night and saw something I need to report to you.

Paterno: Ok Mike, you look upset...what did you see?

McQueary: Coach I saw Coach Sandusky in one of the showers with a young boy. He was doing something to him that was over the lines and extremely sexual in nature.

Paterno: Mike, are you sure it was Coach Sandusky and a young boy?

McQueary: Yes coach, I'm positive.

Paterno: Ok, I'll report it to Tim Curley tomorrow (which he did the next day).

Now, I've said all along that Paterno did right by reporting it to his boss but did wrong in not following up later on. I truly believe the truth lies somewhere in between what was communicated by McQueary and what was received by Paterno. How that conversation took place and how it was received by Paterno will never be revealed. I give the coach the benefit of the doubt but of course could be wrong.

This is not black and white.

By the way, if a graduate assistant came to me and told me he saw something inappropriate in a shower between a grown-ass man and a child you bet your ass I'm going to say to him "Mike, compose yourself for a minute, slow down and tell me exactly what you saw." And yes, I would expect him to tell me exactly what Sandusky was doing to the kid so I could then report it in great detail leaving no stone unturned. That's what I would want and in great detail. That's the job of a supervisor and mentor.

 

[Enfuego]

Enfuego, did you read all of the legal documents??? Can you read? Please stop posting. The grand jury foreman asked Paterno "without getting into graphic detail, what did Mr. McQueary tell you he had seen and where"? Operative words, without getting into graphic detail. Paterno replied quote "Well, he had seen a person, an older-not an older, but a mature person who was fondling, whatever you might call it - I'm not sure what the term would be - a young boy"

Okay, after being told not to go into graphic detail Paterno said by HIS OWN WORDS HE HAD SEEN SANDUSKY FONDLING A YOUNG BOY!!! WHAT THE F MORE DO YOU NEED!

The grand jury foreman than asked quote "I think you used the term fondling. Is that the term you used"? To which Paterno replied "Well, I don't know what you would call it. Obviously he was doing something to the youngster. It was sexual in nature. I am not exactly sure what it was. I didn't push Mike to describe exactly what it was because he was very upset. So I told-I didn't go any further than that except I knew Mike was upset and I knew some kind of inappropriate action was being taken by Jerry Sandusky with a youngster".

So JeoPa admits Sandusky was doing something of a sexual nature,fondling, with a youngster in the Penn State Football showers when no one was around! Not only that, he admits he did not push McQueary to get into details because McQueary, a 28 year old man at the time, was visibly upset. So visibly upset, the nobody grad asst. McQueary calls the legendary head coach JoePa at 800 AM on a Saturday morning and demands an immediate meeting over a non-football issue. Need I go on? Enfuego, what do you need, McQueary showing a video of Sandusky raping a kid on his Iphone to Paterno?

Enfuego, but you say "but you guys think McQueary went over and told Paterno he saw a kid being raped in the shower. According to McQuaery's own testimony, this is not what he reported". Again, you are wrong! McQueary testified I quote "
I went to his house (JoePA) and sat at his kitchen table and told him I saw Jerry with a young boy in the shower. That it was way over the lines and extremely sexual in nature. The rough positioning I described but not in much detail". Enfuego, maybe you and me have different definitions of rape but an adult doing something extremely sexual in nature alone in a shower with a minor is rape. Since when is it not rape for an adult and a minor to be alone in a shower doing something sexual in nature?

What did you want McQueary to say, how he saw Sandusky spreading the butt cheeks of a kid? How much detail do you need? I am glad that PSU entrusted JoePa to teach hundreds of young men but he was too senile to understand what was going on in his own locker room. PSU football should be on the death penalty to set an example. Hundred times worse than paying James & Dickerson or getting tatoos for memorabilia.

And again, I'm not really sure what your point is. McQueary tells Paterno he witnessed something and he reported to the AD what McQueary told him. Did Paterno cover up the crime? Did he attempt to sweep it under the rug? No but of course he should've followed up and that was his mistake.

 

[Tacopants]

Enfuego, I guess we have differnt definitions if rape. Paterno stated in GJ testimony that he was told Sandusky was in the PSU football lockers at night by himself doing something sexual in nature to a child. Unless you think it is okay for adults to be fondling children in football locker rooms after hours with no one else around (that is what JoePa admitted he knew in the GJ) than I don't understand how you can say that McQueary did not tell JoePa he saw a child being raped? I would say 99% of the general public would say that an adult showering with a boy in a locker room after hours and doing something sexual in nature = rape, unless you are of the belief that young boys can make their own decsions and the boy could have been consenting.

As for the cover-up, why was Sandusky allowed in the PSU football facilities and same shower he molested the children up until Ocotber of last year, a month before he was arrested? Are you saying JoePa could not have banned Sandusky from the PSU football facilities? Why do former players say they were encouraged by JoePa to particpate in the second mile program long after these allegations? JoePa had the bully pulpit and the ability to do something but he just passed the buck.

 

[Enfuego]

Enfuego, I guess we have differnt definitions if rape. Paterno stated in GJ testimony that he was told Sandusky was in the PSU football lockers at night by himself doing something sexual in nature to a child. Unless you think it is okay for adults to be fondling children in football locker rooms after hours with no one else around (that is what JoePa admitted he knew in the GJ) than I don't understand how you can say that McQueary did not tell JoePa he saw a child being raped? I would say 99% of the general public would say that an adult showering with a boy in a locker room after hours and doing something sexual in nature = rape, unless you are of the belief that young boys can make their own decsions and the boy could have been consenting.

As for the cover-up, why was Sandusky allowed in the PSU football facilities and same shower he molested the children up until Ocotber of last year, a month before he was arrested? Are you saying JoePa could not have banned Sandusky from the PSU football facilities? Why do former players say they were encouraged by JoePa to particpate in the second mile program long after these allegations? JoePa had the bully pulpit and the ability to do something but he just passed the buck.

Agree with everything you've said but our definition of rape is not different. My definition though is whatever is defined as rape in that particular state according to state law and I haven't read the state law. I'm sure we'll all agree though that the kid was not of the age of consent thus it would constitute rape under any circumstance.

Why was Sandusky around years after that first incident? I have no idea. Your guess is as good as mine.

 

[PatsFanatic]

Patsfanatic, let me be clear about this again even though I already posted TESTIMONY from Mike McQueary.

McQueary testified when he went over to the coach's house to report what he saw he used very discrete language and watered down his version OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE COACH. You said McQueary told the coach he saw a rape. THIS IS NOT WHAT MCQUEARY TESTIFIED TO IN COURT. These are not the words he used.

I'm not making up what McQueary reported. This is what he testified to. These are not my words.

Let me ask you this. Did you read the entire grand jury document?

Yes I read it...However it was like 7 months ago but I remember much spoken about how upset McQuery was (which he should have been) and that he told Paterno he saw Sanduky doing something VERY sexual in nature.

Unless Joe Pa was a retard, he knew exactly what McQuery was telling him. Joe Pa knew of Sandusky's sexual preference for many years. He helped hide it and cover his own ass at the same time by testifying he didn't know "exactly what happened between the two". Did Paterno lie? Yes he did!

Regardless, everyone can clearly tell Joe Pa hid things for years which is a shame.

 

[GoSooners]

Joe Paterno will be a case study in morals and self righteousness for years to come. On one hand you had a guy who would carefully count every contact with a recruit, wouldn't share a dime with one if it wasn't in line with even the most minor or obscure NCAA regulation, who instilled strict discipline with his staff, and supervised even the pettiest of moral issues at PSU, while at the same time ignoring and in fact covering up ongoing and multi-year repeated child rape and pedophilia right in front of his nose. He would have been a prize for any phychiatrist out there trying to crack what was going on in that brain.