<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> doubt the tax revenue would equal the money the government currently gets from seizures and fines. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
think about that statement...ridiculous...who are they fining? the dealers that it cost them millions to prosecute & send to jail...Do you think they are selling what they seize?
[This message was edited by SportSavant on February 03, 2004 at 07:05 PM.]
think about that statement...ridiculous...who are they fining? the dealers that it cost them millions to prosecute & send to jail...Do you think they are selling what they seize?
[This message was edited by SportSavant on February 03, 2004 at 07:05 PM.]
How about the millions the gov will spend invetigating and prosecuting the ones trying to cheat or go around those taxes???? Either way you are ****ed. Don't look at it as a financial question, but more as a moral question. Do you want your kids to be able to buy and use "ilegall" drugs???
well sub...
it woudnt be illegal if we legalized it, bootleg liquor isnt a big problem once liquor has been legalized...with time the same would be with Marijuana...NO I do not want my kids...or anyone I care about to buy drugs...but that includes alcohol.
Would I be happy if my brother weighed 350lbs but ate chips & McDonalds every day? Perhaps we should have a new rule that no one who is overweight can eat at these restaurants! it is not illegal even though it is very bad for their health.
Incidentally I truly beleive once regulated it will be more difficult for kids to get it than it is today.
it woudnt be illegal if we legalized it, bootleg liquor isnt a big problem once liquor has been legalized...with time the same would be with Marijuana...NO I do not want my kids...or anyone I care about to buy drugs...but that includes alcohol.
Would I be happy if my brother weighed 350lbs but ate chips & McDonalds every day? Perhaps we should have a new rule that no one who is overweight can eat at these restaurants! it is not illegal even though it is very bad for their health.
Incidentally I truly beleive once regulated it will be more difficult for kids to get it than it is today.
Sports
I'm no one to talk, i am a damn drunk and love it, but that's it, never used ganja or any other stuff, that said I will never tolerate my kid using those kind of drugs cause they lead to other more like coke or crack. I have a LOT of friends that are into that shit and I can tell you, it's nasty what they do to get it, and they all started with marijuana. My point is if they legalize it it would be easier for them to fall into other shit. I'm not saying alcohol is good, nonetheless, it hasn't led me to other stuff and neither to my other drunk friends, but if you start with marijuana you are most likely to fall into something worse. JMHO.
I'm no one to talk, i am a damn drunk and love it, but that's it, never used ganja or any other stuff, that said I will never tolerate my kid using those kind of drugs cause they lead to other more like coke or crack. I have a LOT of friends that are into that shit and I can tell you, it's nasty what they do to get it, and they all started with marijuana. My point is if they legalize it it would be easier for them to fall into other shit. I'm not saying alcohol is good, nonetheless, it hasn't led me to other stuff and neither to my other drunk friends, but if you start with marijuana you are most likely to fall into something worse. JMHO.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> that said I will never tolerate my kid using those kind of drugs cause they lead to other more like coke or crack. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
And you believe this bullshit? A study showed that 4% of those who smoke pot move on to more dangerous drugs. Which means that 96% of them did NOT do so.
I would say that the vast majority of hard drug users like eating chocolate bars. Therefore chocolate is a "gateway drug". Sheesh
And you believe this bullshit? A study showed that 4% of those who smoke pot move on to more dangerous drugs. Which means that 96% of them did NOT do so.
I would say that the vast majority of hard drug users like eating chocolate bars. Therefore chocolate is a "gateway drug". Sheesh
ah the "gateway drug theory"...
all I can really say is Hogwash...the only way Marijuana may lead to other drugs is in the fact that it is illegal, hence, a marijuana dealer may also be dealing other drugs and the user decides to try these new drugs since they had to go underground to begin with to get the Marijuana.
If on the other hand it is regulated, monitored etc as booze is...then it would be no more of a gateway drug than booze.
Did you know that you are only born with a certain amount of neurons (brain cells)...when you bump your head you lose a few thousand neurons, If you have one drink you lose a few thousand more...but get this...Each drink you have afterwards doubles the amount of Neurons you are popping...Example First Drink 2000...Second 4000...Third 8000...Fourth 16000 & so on & so on. Marijuana doesnt cause nearly as much damage to your brain (but much more to your lungs of course...however marijuana can be eaten, or vaporized).
I can tell you that I have known & still know many "marijuana addidcts" & although they may have occasionally tried other stuff none of them are addicted to anything but their chronic...most of them won't even touch the bottle.
all I can really say is Hogwash...the only way Marijuana may lead to other drugs is in the fact that it is illegal, hence, a marijuana dealer may also be dealing other drugs and the user decides to try these new drugs since they had to go underground to begin with to get the Marijuana.
If on the other hand it is regulated, monitored etc as booze is...then it would be no more of a gateway drug than booze.
Did you know that you are only born with a certain amount of neurons (brain cells)...when you bump your head you lose a few thousand neurons, If you have one drink you lose a few thousand more...but get this...Each drink you have afterwards doubles the amount of Neurons you are popping...Example First Drink 2000...Second 4000...Third 8000...Fourth 16000 & so on & so on. Marijuana doesnt cause nearly as much damage to your brain (but much more to your lungs of course...however marijuana can be eaten, or vaporized).
I can tell you that I have known & still know many "marijuana addidcts" & although they may have occasionally tried other stuff none of them are addicted to anything but their chronic...most of them won't even touch the bottle.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Have you ever seen one of those robbing a store, stabbing someone or shooting a "close friend" to get a phuckin chocolate bar?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I've seen people do these things for NOTHING. How about one brother killing another over a Yankee hat?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Coke or marijuana is not chocolate.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Marijuana is not coke either.
How would you like it if your precious booze were made illegal, and called a "gateway" to harder drugs by ignorant folks who believe every bit of bullshit propaganda the government feeds them? In fact booze SHOULD be illegal, considering the massive problems alcohol causes society, like drunk drivers, health problems, and domestic violence. Ask any cop and he'll tell you that MOST of the problems they have to deal with are caused directly by ALCOHOL.
I've seen people do these things for NOTHING. How about one brother killing another over a Yankee hat?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Coke or marijuana is not chocolate.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Marijuana is not coke either.
How would you like it if your precious booze were made illegal, and called a "gateway" to harder drugs by ignorant folks who believe every bit of bullshit propaganda the government feeds them? In fact booze SHOULD be illegal, considering the massive problems alcohol causes society, like drunk drivers, health problems, and domestic violence. Ask any cop and he'll tell you that MOST of the problems they have to deal with are caused directly by ALCOHOL.
Ignorant???
I'm not the one comparing marijuana with chocolate bars.
I was stating my opinion on the thread. I clearly said I have a LOT of friends in that shit and what I said is what they have told me, that they all started with marijuana and went on to other stuff, I never said anything about stats os propaganda and i'm not about to start an argument with you, don't really give a phuck, if you wanna be a pothead and stay high all phucking day long go ahead, i couldn't care less, i just stated my opinion, if you don't like it that's fine.
I'm not the one comparing marijuana with chocolate bars.
I was stating my opinion on the thread. I clearly said I have a LOT of friends in that shit and what I said is what they have told me, that they all started with marijuana and went on to other stuff, I never said anything about stats os propaganda and i'm not about to start an argument with you, don't really give a phuck, if you wanna be a pothead and stay high all phucking day long go ahead, i couldn't care less, i just stated my opinion, if you don't like it that's fine.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> But I still see it as a major negative force in a lot of people's lives. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
watching too many movies, watching too much TV, eating fatty foods, not exercising, not paying attention to our kids, drink alcohool, smoking cigarettes, playing violent video games.
many of these things are negative forces in people's lives, but people must be given that choice to make for themselves, we are intelligent enough. Some won't be...some will continue to eat cookies & cream ice cream till their heart stops at 45...some will drink till they kill their faimily in a car reck or get liver disease...some will smoke & kill their spouces due to the second half smoke & then kill themselves with grief...why dont we start making all of these things illegal....
smoking marijuana is no more dangerous than being g****ly overwreight & not exercising & is WAY less dangerous than alcohool abuse.
vaulted, how would you comment on the fact that in Amsterdam where it is pretty much legal...studies have shown consuption is less?
watching too many movies, watching too much TV, eating fatty foods, not exercising, not paying attention to our kids, drink alcohool, smoking cigarettes, playing violent video games.
many of these things are negative forces in people's lives, but people must be given that choice to make for themselves, we are intelligent enough. Some won't be...some will continue to eat cookies & cream ice cream till their heart stops at 45...some will drink till they kill their faimily in a car reck or get liver disease...some will smoke & kill their spouces due to the second half smoke & then kill themselves with grief...why dont we start making all of these things illegal....
smoking marijuana is no more dangerous than being g****ly overwreight & not exercising & is WAY less dangerous than alcohool abuse.
vaulted, how would you comment on the fact that in Amsterdam where it is pretty much legal...studies have shown consuption is less?
Sport, you sound like a pothead and that is fine. I don't pass judgment on people who smoke pot, I can only call it the way I see it. I've never smoked even a cigarrette in my life, so I'm not the person to ask on this. So smoke up, but don't do moral relativism to justify your addiction.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I have too many friends who are fat and lazy because of pot. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
They're not fat and lazy because they smoke pot. They are fat and lazy fukkups who HAPPEN to smoke pot. And there are plenty of fat and lazy fukkups who don't smoke it either.
They're not fat and lazy because they smoke pot. They are fat and lazy fukkups who HAPPEN to smoke pot. And there are plenty of fat and lazy fukkups who don't smoke it either.
No sorry, but they weren't fat or lazy before they started smoking pot. They also had more ambition before as well.
They're not fat and lazy because they smoke pot. They are fat and lazy fukkups who HAPPEN to smoke pot. And there are plenty of fat and lazy fukkups who don't smoke it either.[/QUOTE]
They're not fat and lazy because they smoke pot. They are fat and lazy fukkups who HAPPEN to smoke pot. And there are plenty of fat and lazy fukkups who don't smoke it either.[/QUOTE]
vaulted, my intention is not to 'argue' simply to debate...I am simply a proponent of the govt staying out of our lives as much as possible...I understand that you feel that it harms people lives...you know what...so do I? If anyone asks me wether they should try smoking or advice on wether it is harmful I will most certainly tell them the truth...it does cause a-motivational syndrome & does do damage to the lungs...Many things however harm our lives...some are g****ly offensive to society & need to be illegal...murder, theft, etc....Even heroin injecting, Marijuana I would argue should be something that is left up to the people to decide & use in moderation if they so choose to do so...
My question however is centered around the fact of wether it should be illegal or not? why do you feel it should be illegal...do you think the usage would increase dramatically if legalized? It has been proven in certain studies that it woudnt...I suppose you may not want to take that chance but imagine the $$$ you would be making & saving.
My question however is centered around the fact of wether it should be illegal or not? why do you feel it should be illegal...do you think the usage would increase dramatically if legalized? It has been proven in certain studies that it woudnt...I suppose you may not want to take that chance but imagine the $$$ you would be making & saving.
See the problem is, its not a debate at all. It will never happen, so why bother the discussion. There is no debate about something like this. People will continue to smoke, which is fine with me, but I don't like when people make like the drug has no effect on users. It most definitely does.
