Oh Absolutely. I've heard that phrase described as, "I am that I am." I pictured God with the long beard and everything.
When I talk to myself in my head, that's a substitute for talking to God.
I told my cousin, a female reform rabbi (yep) that I don't believe God exists. She said, "God is in our hearts. God is in the way we are close as family. In the way we care for our family and those we care about." I said, "Yeah but......"
Thats so incredible, that post, in a + way I mean...from a reading perspective, not + by any means
you having gone through that a "+++ experience" but to say:
if by Chaim Potok's book is anywhere close to as good as your post, I can see what you mean.
About me needing to read that.
Naturally, I had expected that you turned away from a mundane religious/church situation, had not anticipated that you had suffered the misfortune of having had to endure Hebrew school and that we were dealing with a thing like that which is surely among the most Intense Religious situations that a Young Person as intelligent as you were can be forced to go through.
For an independent thinker, such as yourself and especially one that is challenged to locate **patience** when confronted with Bullshit, and respond to that in the non-combative manner demanded of a child in the position you describe, by the Jewish Culture...4 HOURS of prayer and Torah study MATH hosted by the meanest teacher on Earth....
....what "joke" could
be more cruel? In the light of how people use the cliche concept of: "The Universe playing a massive joke on them" I mean.
I anticipated that we were dealing with a far less irrational and way less rugged situation than
Hebrew School derailing a Youth that for every moment you had to endure that you knew that you deserved.....to be a normal kid doing normal kid things and hanging out with whoever you wanted, doing what kids do.
Freedom.
But No.
I don't even know what to say. I will need to read the post a few more times and even then I know I'll still be nowhere even close to being able to relate to the sheer misery that a Free Thinker having to endure Hebrew School would be but I will respond after reading the post some more, trying to "relate" as best as I can bcuz I
want to understand.
I've not even encountered anyone in my whole LIFE who had to go through Hebrew School.
I am literally stunned. I don't GET "stunned Speechless" this doesn't happen. I need to try to Feel Your Pain
before I can even think about formulating a response. Presentation of "Hebrew School" within this conversation is like, I expected the normal what 99% of the rest of kids go through that then turned from their faith, you know...baptist whatever having to dress for church and be in that, I'd expected but was hoping that you'd not had to endure the rigors of the Catholic that so many kids had to deal with in their youth but
Hebrew School.
Wow.
The Cliche "That which does not kill us makes us stronger" and yeah, while its totally true and a great thing and is more applicabe here than it has been EVER to any other thing as your are DEFINITELY a vastly stronger, wiser more self assured person today as result of having went through that I am not sure that is a suitable "consolation" to having had to endure Hebrew School.
Wow. My Mind is Blown.
4 Hours of prayer and reading the Torah, just in itself......without even all of the other crap that you had to put up with all the way to age 13.....
There just are not adequate words to respond to a stealing of Youth such as this...4 Hours of prayer and reading the Torah.....thanks for the magnificent post, I'll read it over again to try and grasp better the length of the misery and internalize better the details of that and read "The Chosen" by Chaim Potok because.....
....
the concept that is "The Chosen People". in regards to how YOU know that to be, within the Jewish Culture.....that is a huge part of any adequate response to such....
....in an Infinitely more Positive way than you might expect though.
Whats Important IMMEDIATELY though is that you get as "back on track" as possible with the Spiritual Being that you are naturally, got born here as and that every human shows up being. That "connection" that you did feel, do know to exist and I don't mean to ANY particular "GOD", I don't mean that in the LEAST bcuz as said in that previous post
Men's Understandings of what God "said" "wants"
"needs" you to do etc....
....no "God" has ever existed that would want any child caged for 4 hours in prayer and reading a Torah. Its just not like that, the experience, the whole phenomenon of YOUTH, exploration, discovery and all else of YOUTH so necessary FREEDOM within that....to the formulation of the best adult possible, I am sorry that your own youth was derailed in such a manner.
I mean get as "back on track" as possible re: any discussion of "Religion" only to the degree that this involves "Fellowship" bcz thats literally all that really matters WITHIN the concept that is Religion as that relates to Man.
To whatever degree that
YOU FEEL that is, that your experience in Youth is impeding your ability to have fellowship with people like you, If you don't feel personally that this is a problem, an issue then its not.
If you do though, feel like what you had to go through with Hebrew School has left a Barrier between yourself and the great benefits that would be found by you as result of that Fellowship then this is a thing that we need to address.
If a Hebrew School-created barrier does in fact exist thats a real easy one to hurdle though.....potentially very FUN JUMP in fact, potentially magnificently enjoyable Hurdle-Jump that one..
....hard for me to imagine that NO Hebrew School created impediments exist for you bcuz what you describe is a straight out Traumatic Event for such a smart and free-thinking kid, such as you were.