Whats really funny is that they come up with an idea, say "great, everyone is now required to do this" the idea is fundamentally flawed but it sounds good, well it eventually flops and causes some other problems(like ethanol) and then the liberals just come up with some other dumb idea and around and around we go.
Whats really funny is that they come up with an idea, say "great, everyone is now required to do this" the idea is fundamentally flawed but it sounds good, well it eventually flops and causes some other problems(like ethanol) and then the liberals just come up with some other dumb idea and around and around we go.
We'll all have to recycle eventually, just like we all have to halt at a red stop light.
This means you'll just have to get off your fat wobbly american ass slightly more often, that's all.
Sorry 'bout that.
Apparently our society needs three planet earths to sustain our present rates of consumption, so something's going to give.
Our fat pampered asses have a small price to pay.:grandmais
This means you'll just have to get off your fat wobbly american ass slightly more often, that's all.
Sorry 'bout that.
Apparently our society needs three planet earths to sustain our present rates of consumption, so something's going to give.
Our fat pampered asses have a small price to pay.:grandmais
Your analogy is flawed, recycling makes sense only if it does, things like aluminum,copper, other metals and possibly even newspaper make sense. recycling of other things like plastic, glass does not make sense in that it probably costs far more energy and resources to do it than not - can't you understand that?
And no - we will not all have to recycle eventually.
And for the record I do recycle newspapers(only because of the shear volume of them), I also recycle my aluminum cans (although of course i dont give them to the city, but sell them for my own gain).
well oil is the issue longer term
till we starting building more nukes, wind, solar, geothermal etc....our footprint won't change and recycling won't do a damn bit of difference
nukes very viable option right now dirt cheap, no carbon emmisions, but the libbies always getting in the way
our entire global infrastructure is so dependent on oil that you need to overhaul the entire system to get there so not something that's gonna happen overnight
eventually down the road i dunno when oil prices will reach a point where all this shit will make even more economic sense than it even does today
right now we just had a near term spike due to having an easy credit bubbly global economy that wasn't rooted in sound fundamentals
but at same time oil at 40 dollar a barrel days are over IMO....we are running outta cheap easy to tap oil...we have to dig harder and use more technology/energy input to get it outta the ground....
will be interesting to see where oil goes over the next 30 years or so and how it affects the marketplace
also this whole issue is a global issue
and letting commies with bits and pieces of capitalism run wild while we consume their cheap shit on easy credit created a huge environmental disaster....central planning sucks nards....
wonder how many people don't show up at olympics in the end
they having any luck with the pollution reduction? haven't checked lately
and letting commies with bits and pieces of capitalism run wild while we consume their cheap shit on easy credit created a huge environmental disaster....central planning sucks nards....
wonder how many people don't show up at olympics in the end
they having any luck with the pollution reduction? haven't checked lately
:grandmais
How can you expend more energy if you're reinserting an already extracted physical material back into the loop more than half way through the original process???
Republican rocket science 101...
Original resource:
extract-transport-extractXX-TransportXX-fabricateXX-FinalXXsale
Recycle resource:
TransportXX-RefabricateXX-FinalXXsale
uppy:uppy:plastics are just oil in a different form eekster, they made from oil.....
and having to reprocess them all oil and chemicals necessary vs. just using oil to make new ones probably more environmentally friendly assuming you got alot of space to let the plastic just sit there....
only way to be environmentally friendly on the plastic front is to just use less of them....simple logic
the bottled water shite that popped up the last 10 years or so one of the most environmentally unfriendly things to come around in a long time....
i'm not ragging on aluminum, copper, tin, etc....cause that shite you gotta put in quite a bit of energy and resources to dig it outta the ground......
and having to reprocess them all oil and chemicals necessary vs. just using oil to make new ones probably more environmentally friendly assuming you got alot of space to let the plastic just sit there....
only way to be environmentally friendly on the plastic front is to just use less of them....simple logic
the bottled water shite that popped up the last 10 years or so one of the most environmentally unfriendly things to come around in a long time....
i'm not ragging on aluminum, copper, tin, etc....cause that shite you gotta put in quite a bit of energy and resources to dig it outta the ground......
:grandmais
How can you expend more energy if you're reinserting an already extracted physical material back into the loop more than half way through the original process???
Republican rocket science 101...
Original resource:
extract-transport-extractXX-TransportXX-fabricateXX-FinalXXsale
Recycle resource:
TransportXX-RefabricateXX-FinalXXsale
Eek gives us the post of the day...he doesn't even know that it takes more resources to recycle than to create the products from scratch.
This is a case study in brain dead lib thinking...right here for all to see.
They have no facts or understanding on the issue...everybody else is just dumb because they say so...and it feels so good to them.
Gawd...
paper and plastic yes
metals no
but before the days of the government sponsored recycling shite
you had independent recyclers in the free markets that took care of the metals
you'd take your trash bags full of aluminum cans to them, they'd weigh it, and give you some money
metals no
but before the days of the government sponsored recycling shite
you had independent recyclers in the free markets that took care of the metals
you'd take your trash bags full of aluminum cans to them, they'd weigh it, and give you some money
Article on recycling plastic.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfacts/saving/recycling/solidwaste/plastics.html#paperorplastic
May need updated...:grandmais
Thanks to the relatively low cost of petroleum today, the price of virgin plastic is so inexpensive that recycled plastic cannot compete. The price of virgin resin is about 40 percent lower than that of recycled resin.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfacts/saving/recycling/solidwaste/plastics.html#paperorplastic
May need updated...:grandmais
Thanks to the relatively low cost of petroleum today, the price of virgin plastic is so inexpensive that recycled plastic cannot compete. The price of virgin resin is about 40 percent lower than that of recycled resin.
here its the 5 cent deposit per can/bottle thing
i'm too lazy to do it myself, get in car using oil, than sitting there and methodically sticking in each can one at a time into their little machines....
i just lay my shit outside in a bag and let a homeless guy make a few bucks offa it....
i'm too lazy to do it myself, get in car using oil, than sitting there and methodically sticking in each can one at a time into their little machines....
i just lay my shit outside in a bag and let a homeless guy make a few bucks offa it....
:grandmais
How can you expend more energy if you're reinserting an already extracted physical material back into the loop more than half way through the original process???
Republican rocket science 101...
Original resource:
extract-transport-extractXX-TransportXX-fabricateXX-FinalXXsale
Recycle resource:
TransportXX-RefabricateXX-FinalXXsale
Because
#1 you have morons collecting them and rinsing them with heated water
#2 you put them out and a truck drives all over the city collecting them.
#3 they go to a regional center where energy is used to sort them
# 4 probably 75% of them have no market at all and they are trucked to be landfilled or burned - all effort wasted
# 5 The rest is trucked to another center where it may be used again, but the net gain in energy or materials is almost a wash.
The total result is an energy loss, revenue loss and no savings of resources at all - but we wont tell people that so as not to upset them!
well the deposit thing is a complete scam its just another state tax
in your situation you are paying market prices for your goods and you get the profits for the metal you collected that was left over from those goods....
whereas here all we are doing is having to do extra work to get back the money we already spent
in your situation you are paying market prices for your goods and you get the profits for the metal you collected that was left over from those goods....
whereas here all we are doing is having to do extra work to get back the money we already spent
