You know all of this for a fact? I am assuming you have called them both and they have told you that they are acting together on this to spite Pinny.THE SHRINK said:
I mean if it is all truly collusion against Pinny then I am sure all that it will mean is an extra step for gamblers to get their money there. They will just transfer to another book and then move the funds to Pinny.
it still shows weakness
It is still a demonstration of weakness in my book.
Suppose I sit down at a poker table and after 30 minutes I realise that I am the strongest player there. Do I shift tables? Do I try to reduce the ability of the other players to reload?
No way. These are the sorts of actions I might take if I thought I was the weakest player.
Cartels rarely occur in industries which have a top dog, except where the lesser guys - say the numbers 2 and 3 - attempt to form one. The number 1 player has no need to enter a cartel with the weaklings.
I am not saying these books are not solid or anything, just that fear is the motivation.
It is still a demonstration of weakness in my book.
Suppose I sit down at a poker table and after 30 minutes I realise that I am the strongest player there. Do I shift tables? Do I try to reduce the ability of the other players to reload?
No way. These are the sorts of actions I might take if I thought I was the weakest player.
Cartels rarely occur in industries which have a top dog, except where the lesser guys - say the numbers 2 and 3 - attempt to form one. The number 1 player has no need to enter a cartel with the weaklings.
I am not saying these books are not solid or anything, just that fear is the motivation.
I know CRIS doesnt do it anymore also, but I was wondering if Shrink really called and spoke with Mickey and Spiro and they told him they were acting together on this. It just seems to me that he is jumping to conclusions on the reason.drunk said:
Whose to say that maybe they didnt hear rumblings (pure speculation on my part as I think Pinny is strong as hell) of some sort or if they no longer want to carry a huge balance at one book for the sole purpose of transfers (a courtesy and not a obligation).
Players get to choose what they do with their money so why can't books do the same?
For what it's worth, JAZZ sports book was also asked to stop doing transfers with Pinny but they refused to join this ridiculous plot...
I believe their "childish" behavior will come back and bite both of them in the ass and I told one of these sports books that yesterday...
I also went on to say that the customer (gambler) should come first and this isn't going to make customers happy, since we all prefer convenience...
It is hard enough to send money offshore these days, and they just cut off a very preferred method of payment....
Furthermore, since so many gamblers have accounts with Pinnacle, I predict that BOTH of these sports books will end up losing business since gamblers like convenience.
Therefore, I suspect that other sports books which continue to do transfers with Pinnacle will prosper, while these two sports books will get hurt by this....
Oh, the irony of it all...
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I believe their "childish" behavior will come back and bite both of them in the ass and I told one of these sports books that yesterday...
I also went on to say that the customer (gambler) should come first and this isn't going to make customers happy, since we all prefer convenience...
It is hard enough to send money offshore these days, and they just cut off a very preferred method of payment....
Furthermore, since so many gamblers have accounts with Pinnacle, I predict that BOTH of these sports books will end up losing business since gamblers like convenience.
Therefore, I suspect that other sports books which continue to do transfers with Pinnacle will prosper, while these two sports books will get hurt by this....
Oh, the irony of it all...
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Interesting thread, Ken...
I do agree that this will not be a very popular move with the offshore heavy-weight players, because I do believe the elimination of this gratuitity is targeted at a very specific group of players.
Which group of players exactly? The majority of players that use the book-2-book transfer are sharp players, value shoppers, steam-chasers and syndicate beards. The fact alone that the "colluding" books are CRIS and Olympic would be an indication of this.
So yes, the forum players will definitely bitch about this one. After all, they will now have to pick up the fees of transfering funds from their Pinnacle account into NETeller and into CRIS or Olympic, or viceversa. So, this move means absolutely nothing for the sharp player, other than higher operation fees. And for the recreational player, this means nothing... ZILCH.
So why are CRIS and Olympic killing this method of funds transfer? Probably because the method was used by the sane customers that were offsetting the value in their lines to Pinnacle odds. They've spotted a wund and they have decided to stop the bleeding. Now, if sharpees want to move money around, they will have to cough up the green. The choices these players now have are:
a) Do business as usual and pick up the NT transaction fees, or
b) Decide not to conduct business with Olympic and CRIS (hard bullet to bite) and find 2 other equivalent "outs"
I personally think there's nothing obscene about trying to conduct a profitable business and I think that's what Olympic and CRIS are doing here. Is it inmoral to try to include other books in this initiative? Well, as much as it is for a forum owner and known beard to blow some steam in his own forum... :toothless
In short Shrinkster, cry me a fvcking river!!! Although I must admit the title of the thread is somewhat accurate. How do you compete with lower juice and an asymmetrical juice straddle? Easy answer... you can't...
Business as usual, that's all... now, would you please cross your legs??? Your panties are showing... :finger:
I do agree that this will not be a very popular move with the offshore heavy-weight players, because I do believe the elimination of this gratuitity is targeted at a very specific group of players.
Which group of players exactly? The majority of players that use the book-2-book transfer are sharp players, value shoppers, steam-chasers and syndicate beards. The fact alone that the "colluding" books are CRIS and Olympic would be an indication of this.
So yes, the forum players will definitely bitch about this one. After all, they will now have to pick up the fees of transfering funds from their Pinnacle account into NETeller and into CRIS or Olympic, or viceversa. So, this move means absolutely nothing for the sharp player, other than higher operation fees. And for the recreational player, this means nothing... ZILCH.
So why are CRIS and Olympic killing this method of funds transfer? Probably because the method was used by the sane customers that were offsetting the value in their lines to Pinnacle odds. They've spotted a wund and they have decided to stop the bleeding. Now, if sharpees want to move money around, they will have to cough up the green. The choices these players now have are:
a) Do business as usual and pick up the NT transaction fees, or
b) Decide not to conduct business with Olympic and CRIS (hard bullet to bite) and find 2 other equivalent "outs"
I personally think there's nothing obscene about trying to conduct a profitable business and I think that's what Olympic and CRIS are doing here. Is it inmoral to try to include other books in this initiative? Well, as much as it is for a forum owner and known beard to blow some steam in his own forum... :toothless
In short Shrinkster, cry me a fvcking river!!! Although I must admit the title of the thread is somewhat accurate. How do you compete with lower juice and an asymmetrical juice straddle? Easy answer... you can't...
Business as usual, that's all... now, would you please cross your legs??? Your panties are showing... :finger:
Shrinky-pooh:
I'd suggest that you pour some more O.J. in that vodka, it's early in the day and it's always good to have your vitamin C... BTW, have you tried Grey Goose yet?
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Now, did the rest of my post pissed you off that you had to make it a personal attack? If so, please accept my apologies... you know my sense of humor sucks.
I will be happy to share ODU picks when they start playing soon...
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I am hearing that Hollywoood was yet another sports book who was asked to collude but refused to do so, telling me that these guys are acting like a bunch of babies....
Oh my....
Can it be that this diabolic manipulation is already backfiring and not only are gamblers against this type of childlike behavior, but other sports books in their backyard won't even go along with them...
I wonder why not?
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I am hearing that Hollywoood was yet another sports book who was asked to collude but refused to do so, telling me that these guys are acting like a bunch of babies....
Oh my....
Can it be that this diabolic manipulation is already backfiring and not only are gamblers against this type of childlike behavior, but other sports books in their backyard won't even go along with them...
I wonder why not?
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That's wrong if it's being down in collusion with other books. It's one thing if a book independantly decides to cut off B2B's with Pinnacle, kind of petty but still understandable. However if they are trying to influence an industry wide boycott of other books to not offer what is pretty much an accepted player perk that is out of line. What next, try and get Neteller to quit working with Pinnacle because players are emptying their accounts into Pinnacle?
This is like saying we can't compete on a level playing field so we will make it tougher for some players to play there. :neenee:
This is like saying we can't compete on a level playing field so we will make it tougher for some players to play there. :neenee:
