One of the supposed parties ads here.
SHRINK is saying turn away from CRIS??? Hell no! LMAO
He wanted to post on an issue that is very interesting. He did!
Respect the opinion of a man (a poster) who has forgotten more about this industry than we may ever know. He made a solid post. Refute it, but it is a solid observation atleast.
SHRINK is saying turn away from CRIS??? Hell no! LMAO
He wanted to post on an issue that is very interesting. He did!
Respect the opinion of a man (a poster) who has forgotten more about this industry than we may ever know. He made a solid post. Refute it, but it is a solid observation atleast.
CHIPS.............you are absolutely correct......and you also point out a very important hole in what Shrink is saying
SHRINK says pinny is taking business away from Cris and Oly.......
unless you are a current player at pinny looking at their own site.........you arent going to rush and open an account with them because of opinionated lines and reduced vig......
my point is that in order for Pinny to take business away from other books, they would have to market what they offer to the masses......
if the college lines that Pinny doesnt have up on dbs2k are better than other books, i cant tell......(or see them)...
so how are they taking all the business away from Cris and OLY?
SHRINK says pinny is taking business away from Cris and Oly.......
unless you are a current player at pinny looking at their own site.........you arent going to rush and open an account with them because of opinionated lines and reduced vig......
my point is that in order for Pinny to take business away from other books, they would have to market what they offer to the masses......
if the college lines that Pinny doesnt have up on dbs2k are better than other books, i cant tell......(or see them)...
so how are they taking all the business away from Cris and OLY?
For all those books that do not know it yet, but:
A) Minimise your book-to-book transfers.
B) Stop taking Neteller.
C) Last, but not least avoid RX forum readers.
Main point I am trying to make is that as a book you do not want action from those that are always trying to find the best price! You want guys that will bet into your 1.9 while that same team is available at Even Money everywhere else. I will promise you one thing: You will make more money that way than any smart gambler can make gambling!
God! What am I honest today!
A) Minimise your book-to-book transfers.
B) Stop taking Neteller.
C) Last, but not least avoid RX forum readers.
Main point I am trying to make is that as a book you do not want action from those that are always trying to find the best price! You want guys that will bet into your 1.9 while that same team is available at Even Money everywhere else. I will promise you one thing: You will make more money that way than any smart gambler can make gambling!
God! What am I honest today!
People make it sound like collusion is something new.
As far as book to book tranfers and what not. Most places pay the fees at a certain amount anyways. Pinnacle just happenns to require quite a bit more than theothers to pay those fees.
Sounds more like a customer service issue than anything else. If Pinnacle were really concerned they would lower thier limits down again to a more reasonable level. They might also start taking Western Union deposits again.
Also, since they stopped taking WU, I am sure this will sting more than normal. But people will always find ways to get money to a place they want to play at.
Not to mention that the gamblers that are taking money from one book and transferring it to Pinnacle aren't your recreational gamblers to begin with. So what is the big deal to these guys (other books) anyways? I would think they would relish all the newbie shitheads flocking to them and not mind seeing a few "smarter" guys move their money.
The books have a strangle hold on theplayers anyways. If they do this, you can damn sure bet that they hedge off between each other on games. Balancing their action amongts themselves to keep from exposing themselves to middles and or scalps.
Some descention in the ranks is a good thing for players, and should not be seen as anything negative. As long as ALL the books don't team up, then I see no problems.
As far as book to book tranfers and what not. Most places pay the fees at a certain amount anyways. Pinnacle just happenns to require quite a bit more than theothers to pay those fees.
Sounds more like a customer service issue than anything else. If Pinnacle were really concerned they would lower thier limits down again to a more reasonable level. They might also start taking Western Union deposits again.
Also, since they stopped taking WU, I am sure this will sting more than normal. But people will always find ways to get money to a place they want to play at.
Not to mention that the gamblers that are taking money from one book and transferring it to Pinnacle aren't your recreational gamblers to begin with. So what is the big deal to these guys (other books) anyways? I would think they would relish all the newbie shitheads flocking to them and not mind seeing a few "smarter" guys move their money.
The books have a strangle hold on theplayers anyways. If they do this, you can damn sure bet that they hedge off between each other on games. Balancing their action amongts themselves to keep from exposing themselves to middles and or scalps.
Some descention in the ranks is a good thing for players, and should not be seen as anything negative. As long as ALL the books don't team up, then I see no problems.
pure speculation on my part.....but the type of player and the number of players Pinny is taking from Cris and Oly is a very small part of the market share........
1. Pinny's type of player...value seekers/semi sharp, sharp.....
which represent a small gambling percent....(increasing yes...but still very small)
2. they prefer online business......not traditional call-in...(again a growing trend...but imo..shaky due to u.s. laws)
CRIS.......gets sharp action.......but not the kind that bets using the internet...
clearing-house for other shops......been that way since the dawn of time..
different books different market..........enough to go around..imo..
btw.....books should concentrate on the asian market if they want to corner the gambling market....
SHRINK..........sorry if i misquoted you....i will read over what i posted.....
1. Pinny's type of player...value seekers/semi sharp, sharp.....
which represent a small gambling percent....(increasing yes...but still very small)
2. they prefer online business......not traditional call-in...(again a growing trend...but imo..shaky due to u.s. laws)
CRIS.......gets sharp action.......but not the kind that bets using the internet...
clearing-house for other shops......been that way since the dawn of time..
different books different market..........enough to go around..imo..
btw.....books should concentrate on the asian market if they want to corner the gambling market....
SHRINK..........sorry if i misquoted you....i will read over what i posted.....
btw.....books should concentrate on the asian market if they want to corner the gambling market....
You really like to see the books go broke!
Recently I read on SBR:
18/06/2004 11:00:00 BetWWTS (SBR rating A+) Reducing business in Asia to focus on North American and European markets.
Honestly the sharpest gamblers are Asians. Books should stay as far away as possible from them!
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You really like to see the books go broke!
Recently I read on SBR:
18/06/2004 11:00:00 BetWWTS (SBR rating A+) Reducing business in Asia to focus on North American and European markets.
Honestly the sharpest gamblers are Asians. Books should stay as far away as possible from them!
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acw..........several books have done the opposite......quit carrying american sports to focus on the asian market.......
your assumption that asians are sharper gamblers is totally inacurrate....
most asians are notorious for betting the underdogs (american public likes the chalk)........in any sport........having asian customers i know this for a fact...sure there are sharp asians.....but just like americans, the squares far outnumber the sharps...
but that was not the point i was trying to make about the asian market....it was the fact that asians like to gamble.......a numbers perspective.....not type of player......
SHRINK............since you didnt refute what a poster said about Cris and Oly i assumed you meant them.........if its not them then say so.........and i will
apologize...otherwise i am going home....
your assumption that asians are sharper gamblers is totally inacurrate....
most asians are notorious for betting the underdogs (american public likes the chalk)........in any sport........having asian customers i know this for a fact...sure there are sharp asians.....but just like americans, the squares far outnumber the sharps...
but that was not the point i was trying to make about the asian market....it was the fact that asians like to gamble.......a numbers perspective.....not type of player......
SHRINK............since you didnt refute what a poster said about Cris and Oly i assumed you meant them.........if its not them then say so.........and i will
apologize...otherwise i am going home....
quit carrying american sports to focus on the asian market.......
Which books?
Anyhow here in Asia 90% of all the turnover is on the European football and some books over here have started offering 5-cent lines on those matches. (I just cannot wait to see this new book called Mansion that is trying to get on with the Asian market go under!) Believe me there is absolutely nothing that a Caribbean book will have to offer here without going in the minus!
Which books?
Anyhow here in Asia 90% of all the turnover is on the European football and some books over here have started offering 5-cent lines on those matches. (I just cannot wait to see this new book called Mansion that is trying to get on with the Asian market go under!) Believe me there is absolutely nothing that a Caribbean book will have to offer here without going in the minus!
acw.........last year, maybe the year before.....premium book on dbs2k made the announcement........i may be mistaken about them pursuing only the asian market ...probably european too.....
again i was saying the "numbers" are there.......not the type of bettor...(sharp or square)
asian culture includes gambling......much more so than americans......
a wide open market.....
i was in vietnam several years ago......common practice is for runners (agents) to charge a percent to both winners and losers...on soccer bets....
i can spot a square in any country.........lol....gl
Sorry, I will describe it more appropriate: The asian market is as sharp as sharp can get. At least this is true for both the European football and on Basketball.
acw...........please stop it............that is just not true....
i have booked asians for 10 years and learned from a man that has booked them for over 30.........certain characteristics they do have are
1. prefer underdogs in all sports
2. asian tend to bet as a group.....not individually..(5 americans together 3 like one team 2 like the other)......asians all on the same side..
3. as a whole they are very honorable......very few stiffs..(btw.the ones that are, younger asians...with too much american influence...)
asians as a culture like to gamble that is fact........saying they are sharper makes no sense whatsoever...........
again i was saying the "numbers" are there.......not the type of bettor...(sharp or square)
asian culture includes gambling......much more so than americans......
a wide open market.....
i was in vietnam several years ago......common practice is for runners (agents) to charge a percent to both winners and losers...on soccer bets....
i can spot a square in any country.........lol....gl
Sorry, I will describe it more appropriate: The asian market is as sharp as sharp can get. At least this is true for both the European football and on Basketball.
acw...........please stop it............that is just not true....
i have booked asians for 10 years and learned from a man that has booked them for over 30.........certain characteristics they do have are
1. prefer underdogs in all sports
2. asian tend to bet as a group.....not individually..(5 americans together 3 like one team 2 like the other)......asians all on the same side..
3. as a whole they are very honorable......very few stiffs..(btw.the ones that are, younger asians...with too much american influence...)
asians as a culture like to gamble that is fact........saying they are sharper makes no sense whatsoever...........
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Personally I do not think you can stereotype ethnic groups as either sharp square or anything else. Asians as a race like to gambe and many are very good at it but the same can be said of the English for example. I have been invovled in booking some big 100% American/Oriental packages and there were some winners and very sharp bettors but like most packages it included quite a few steady losers. The agents always made a killing if I recall.
I remember booking the staff at a Chinese restaurant in the states (East Coast) one of the cooks would give himself away every time he asked for a line. He would alwys say "what you got Houston? (for example) or what you got over? Doing so he always mentioned the side of the game or total he would bet on. Some bookies might have taken advantage of that in those pre internet days. In the end it didn't matter he lost on his own with the correct numbers.
wil.
I remember booking the staff at a Chinese restaurant in the states (East Coast) one of the cooks would give himself away every time he asked for a line. He would alwys say "what you got Houston? (for example) or what you got over? Doing so he always mentioned the side of the game or total he would bet on. Some bookies might have taken advantage of that in those pre internet days. In the end it didn't matter he lost on his own with the correct numbers.
wil.
Shrink-
Of the books colluding, how many are advertising at the top of the forum?
Others-
Books used to like the transfers because they hoped to take customers (and their money) away from Pinny and other popular books. But, of course, this just sped up 'survival of the fittest". Offering exotic gimmicks like props may have brought in some customers, but with high juice, the props offer little alternative to the low-juice offerings at Pinny.
The other practical reason for the book-to-book transfers are simply to save withdrawal/deposit fees. Even if you are getting players, why eat all those deposit fees, if you can just carry a 10-dime figure with a "friendly competitor" book that you trust? With the right books, it could be a worth while symbiotic relationship.
Of the books colluding, how many are advertising at the top of the forum?
Others-
Books used to like the transfers because they hoped to take customers (and their money) away from Pinny and other popular books. But, of course, this just sped up 'survival of the fittest". Offering exotic gimmicks like props may have brought in some customers, but with high juice, the props offer little alternative to the low-juice offerings at Pinny.
The other practical reason for the book-to-book transfers are simply to save withdrawal/deposit fees. Even if you are getting players, why eat all those deposit fees, if you can just carry a 10-dime figure with a "friendly competitor" book that you trust? With the right books, it could be a worth while symbiotic relationship.
