i wanted to welcome myself to this thread..i have been on both sides of this business and i have experienced the highs and lows...the last 4 years i have been profiting at a good clip..i'm not here to give numbers on that, anyway i believe firmly that in order to make money in this business you must first lose money. Let me explain its simple!! "you have to learn how to win." in order to learn how to win you must lose, and i have, but no longer..i recently purchased an account from victor profits and his associate by the name of mike ryan. Do any one of you know off or heard off, and if so could i get some feed back. I will be giving his plays when ever i get them..glad to be aboard!!