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I sat around and never posted. I tracked Jefferson along with a lot of the covers guys. Chase posted every day. Then he even documented 200 plays and updated that thread every day. He posted every day. If he was Jefferson and documented 200 plays and tanked he would ruin his rep. I don't buy it. If you are a service and document 200 plays in front of this many people and tank no one would ever use you.
 

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I sat around and never posted. I tracked Jefferson along with a lot of the covers guys. Chase posted every day. Then he even documented 200 plays and updated that thread every day. He posted every day. If he was Jefferson and documented 200 plays and tanked he would ruin his rep. I don't buy it. If you are a service and document 200 plays in front of this many people and tank no one would ever use you.

Ok, tell me why he would care enough to document 200 plays on an

open forum? Really, why would he do that?
 

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I agree with this as well, Fraser411 has been amazing, very reliable, and trustworthy, hes a good friend and has helped me alot.. just letting everyone know



Totally agree !

I have the same experience. Hope Fraser411 will be back.
 

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Track a Handicapper and see if their full of shit or not. Seems simple to me.
Oh well, don't care really.
 

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Track a Handicapper and see if their full of shit or not. Seems simple to me.
Oh well, don't care really.

Hes been playing them for 2 years or more now, and 6 months ago decides

to document 200 plays? come on dude
 

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It makes no sense to me at all. Every capper purposely avoids being documented cause most suck. Especially for 200 plays. It's very simple, no capper would want 200 plays posted of them. No way, don't buy it.
But like I said, if he is, God Bless him.
 

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NIKEAIRX is rainbow winners? NIKEAIRX has been on here forever, and the rainbows guys have been around for a month or two.
You are going to have to do better than that. An incredibly weak argument!!

He may or may not be Rainbow winners. However, your argument makes no sense-just because someone has a high post count they are automatically to be trusted?

Those who pay attention to posts and detail should be able to come to a reasonable conclusion on the matter. However, the above argument is awful and makes no sense.
 

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I agree. Nikeairx has always helped with the forum. Dont buy any of it.
That dude is just trying to get some publicity for his Podunk forum. I'm with u nikeairx
 

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The Rx needs a list like this one across the street or a mod like the one over there that will take charge and keep an eye on these scammers.

Scammers showing up here and other forums
Attention all members Football season is upon us even though that is great it brings out many scammers here are just a few to watch for:



Jefferson sports/Chase same person trying to sell his service for $1200

Big Boi/Vegas Killer same person running scam

Nikeairx/Rainbow Winners same person

Nick Patrick/Jimmy Price/Wiseguy Sports/all the same person

Sportspicks1019/Sal Bansa/Trackpicks/Redzone/StevieY/Gina/Syndicatesports/and many others all the same person

Brian Mac/Big Joe/Rock/SyndicateSports/Blade/Baresse/MightyZeus/all the same person all names made up

Gameday Network/Nsa Wins/Sportsaction365/Vegassi/all the same person

Born2booze/bellmont kid/Destroythebooksports/ all the same person

If you have others you would like me to add to this list email me armani@*******.com with the information and proof you have of the scam the person/company is running. If you would like your information removed from this list email me proof you are not running these scams anymore(though we know all the proof I have already)

-Mod Team

Born2booze/bellmont kid/Destroythebooksports/ all the same person

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are you serious???? where the hell did this come from????

@):mad: :drink: :):)

oh yea im a service and i post all sorts of other cappers ???

get your shit straight before writing such bullshit, like i said i buy dtb sports as well as 5-6 other services, i post whenever i can and i sometimes post my losing personal plays in the baseball forum.
 

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For The record

The Rx Makes a serious effort to warn hosnet posters to use caution when dealing with strangers on the internet. We also follow up on all reports by our posters of misuse of the PM function to solicit funds for whatever reason from posters that are not known to each other except on these pages.

I am sure some of you may have had some fair dealings with fraser411 or you could be working with him, who really knows.

The truth is that he first of all is using two user names to work these Service Play threads.

I am sure I could have found more matches but what is the point. All of these IPs (I used XXXs to not give away anyone's actual location) even with XXXs representing identical numbers that matched when one of the IPs was entered unto our search IP addresse function. In each of the following cases the search spit out an identical match from an IP that Fraser411 posted from, they all belonged to poster cohen59:

cohen59 65.11.xxx.xxx
fraser411 65.11xxx.xxx

cohen59 98.77.1xx.xxx
fraser411 98.77.1xxx.xxx

cohen59 74.23x.xx.xxx
fraser411 74.23x.xx.xxx

cohen59 68.21x.xxx.xx
fraser411 68.2.x.xxx.xx

These locations are from an area of a state that Fraser411 is working out of. He is using two user names to work the Service Play Forums which is a bannable offense here at The Rx.

I have also received reports of fraser411 using the PM fucntion to solicit funds from strangers who just happen to also post on these foruns.

I am simply warning you that there is definitely somthing suspicious when a poster has to use two usernames to post in the same forum on the same days.

Draw your own conclusions. Please do not say The Rx does not take these possible scammers serious. We cannot force posters to not send their own money wherever they want all we can do is warn them of the dangers of trusting strangers you meet on a gambling forum.

I know for a fact that there are many honest players that can be trusted that post on this forum. The problem is separating them from the scammers.


Best of luck, wilheim
 

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ive been dealing with "fraser" for a few months now and he has been the most helpful and honest person i have run across on these forums.Hope ths can be resloved quickly because he has been an asset to many people as u can see by reading the posts in this thread.
 

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this is out of control. Fraser has gave me plenty of good advice on this site and you can test my ip whenever you feel necessary. I dont know where he lives nor do I care but for newbies its nice to have someone that is honest with you and knows alot about this business or pleasure whatever you want to call it. He has helped me with money management and has helped me choose carefully who I take my service picks from. He has never asked for money nor has he ever tried to get me to pay a certain tout or him. Maybe I am missing the facts but I know for me personally he is a standup guy.
 
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I agree with pretty much what everyone is saying here. He's cool and is very helpful when it comes to cappers. Should we start a Fraser411 petition/thread to let the moderators know what we think of him? Save Fraser411!!! :)<<
 
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Fraser wouldn't stop asking for money! Glad he is banned!


Ok it's posts like this and messages like this that Wil was getting. He used 2 names one to promote the services he was selling the members here and you guys don't find anything wrong with that?
 

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CPAW, there were more than 1 Fraser, thats all there is too it. The original fraser got copied and the guy was asking everyone for money because he knew the pull fraser had... Fraser never used theservicekings and this guys plays were from that website. There was/is 2 Fraser411's...
 

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I'm just getting caught up with all this chatter here about Fraser/Cohen and the many other topics. What I see is that atleast 15-20 different guys have come on here saying "I dealt with Fraser" or "I sent Fraser money" etc. This guy must be making a killing!

I'm obviously in the wrong line of business. I didn't realize that were that many people in the world willing to just send their money to strangers. Of course this guy is going to treat you well, and send you more plays than he agreed to send you. He wants you to keep sending him money so he can keep making the payments on the new boat he just bought, or whatever he bought with this second income he now has.

The thing we don't know is exactly how many people are out there sending Fraser/Cohen money. How many more guys aren't actually willing to come on here and say they sent him money. It looks like he was obviously PM'ing people to persuade them to also join the group. For all we know, there could be 50 or 100 guys that are sending him money on a daily/monthly basis. And I think that is just ridiculous. It reminds me of a guy that tried to do the same thing here about a year ago. He should be banned just like that guy was!
 
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CPAW, there were more than 1 Fraser, thats all there is too it. The original fraser got copied and the guy was asking everyone for money because he knew the pull fraser had... Fraser never used theservicekings and this guys plays were from that website. There was/is 2 Fraser411's...


but the fraser411 that Wil linked to Cohen is who? They had the same IP addresses. I'm not here to make accusations but I've read stuff on Wil and the guy does his research, he doesn't just make this stuff up. He's been approached by a few members that money was requested for plays.

Pm's that say if you want that service you requested send me the money and I'll send you the plays. If this happened then this is a big no no at the rx. But I'm not saying it happened I don't know.
 
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CPAW, there were more than 1 Fraser, thats all there is too it. The original fraser got copied and the guy was asking everyone for money because he knew the pull fraser had... Fraser never used theservicekings and this guys plays were from that website. There was/is 2 Fraser411's...



"The original fraser got copied" Really? How did that happen? I would love to steal people's usernames and post some crazy shit. That is obviously a rumor made up by Fraser himself so he can still keep his credibility! It's pretty obvious to me. If Fraser is exposed, he could potentially lose a couple extra thousand dollars a month!

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against these buy groups. But the intention is to work as a team and help everyone out. Not to make a profit! So the more guys that are added to the group, the price should go down for it's members. But I'm sure that didn't happen. Fraser was recruiting more and more people and charging you all the same price, and he pocketed the extra cash! If he did the right thing, he wouldn't be in this mess he is in!
 

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