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Service Plays Friday 1/2/15
- Thread starter Can'tPickaWinner2
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I'm not looking for an argument. And I'm not gonna name anyone because he is actually one of phils attorney who told me. I happened to meet him regarding something totally unrelated to this...just kinda came up. I'm not sure of dates and times and when it changed but I'm pretty confident in the info I was given. Either way it makes no difference to me what phil, northcoast or any of those nitwits do or say. Lol
Vitterd-I don't want an argument either-lets leave it at that.
More importantly since mountain over the last year has questioned my integrity about posting at what he implies are phantom sites including very early last year or late in 2013 including the now defunct Atstalk Forum, I a going to ask you a series of fair questions to hopefully bring closure to this matter-if you don't want to answer, then please tell me why not
1) Do you have knowledge of an atstalk forum.
2) If yes , were you a contributing member there and approximately for how long?
3) Assuming you were a member there, did you see any of my posts a did we converse at times?
4) Assuming that at least # 1 is true, do you have good reason to believe that this forum went under around August,2013 because it was hijacked or perhaps for some other reason?
5 Do you recall during your stay if you were a member, my maintaining for your entire stay my(savage) my maintaining two separate threads-1) one entitled the NC Comp. Thread, a thread where I gave out every day the football comps. and compiled both weekly and cumulative recaps?
Also, did I talk about documented and misleading deceptions in the way they recapped, that is lying by not disclosing their full records with their paid picks as well as telling countless half truths, spinning and using favorable time frames and on and on and on to give a completely false impression of how they were really doing?
1a) did I also maintain a NC Community Line Comp. Thread, give out the comps of the various cappers each day(which were are actual plays from these guys and document that over a period of about the last three years when the forum went bellyup, that overall picks were down over 120K at $1100 to make $1000 to keep it simple?
Finally as in 1) above, do you recall my commenting in the overwhelming number of times, they talked about the previous day's comp. ONLY when it won and only recapping the rare winning streaks?
I think if you or for that matter anyone who was a member of that forum or spell answers these questions truthfully, it might just enlighten mountain and others that I am a straight shooter unlike Phil Steele, Brandon/NC and not making any of this stuff up.
Vitterd-I don't want an argument either-lets leave it at that.
More importantly since mountain over the last year has questioned my integrity about posting at what he implies are phantom sites including very early last year or late in 2013 including the now defunct Atstalk Forum, I a going to ask you a series of fair questions to hopefully bring closure to this matter-if you don't want to answer, then please tell me why not
1) Do you have knowledge of an atstalk forum.
2) If yes , were you a contributing member there and approximately for how long?
3) Assuming you were a member there, did you see any of my posts a did we converse at times?
4) Assuming that at least # 1 is true, do you have good reason to believe that this forum went under around August,2013 because it was hijacked or perhaps for some other reason?
5 Do you recall during your stay if you were a member, my maintaining for your entire stay my(savage) my maintaining two separate threads-1) one entitled the NC Comp. Thread, a thread where I gave out every day the football comps. and compiled both weekly and cumulative recaps?
Also, did I talk about documented and misleading deceptions in the way they recapped, that is lying by not disclosing their full records with their paid picks as well as telling countless half truths, spinning and using favorable time frames and on and on and on to give a completely false impression of how they were really doing?
1a) did I also maintain a NC Community Line Comp. Thread, give out the comps of the various cappers each day(which were are actual plays from these guys and document that over a period of about the last three years when the forum went bellyup, that overall picks were down over 120K at $1100 to make $1000 to keep it simple?
Finally as in 1) above, do you recall my commenting in the overwhelming number of times, they talked about the previous day's comp. ONLY when it won and only recapping the rare winning streaks?
I think if you or for that matter anyone who was a member of that forum or spell answers these questions truthfully, it might just enlighten mountain and others that I am a straight shooter unlike Phil Steele, Brandon/NC and not making any of this stuff up.
Savage, just let it go, I can assure you this is my last post on this topic. You come in here begging for Northcoast's plays so that you can keep accurate records for a competitor site. That in itself is suspect. I decided to check on your thread and it appears that your record keeping is more of an angry rant consisting of short term losing streaks. You really don't have accurate numbers on this company and appear to pick and choose short term losing streaks. You are doing what the scammers do except you are choosing losing streaks instead of winning streaks. As a matter of fact, a member asked you what their Executive Club record was and here is your response:
I don't have it exactly and don't need it-the only sure thing is that isn't worthy of even close to $3500 or so price annually assuming someone is dumb enough to pay it.
There are tons of services which charge a small fraction of that,have much better records and very importantly without the pile of bullshit, lies by omission and overall deceptions which emanate from NC every day.
I do know that their 5*/GOY's which define and are indicative of the worth of a service, have been horrendous the last few years.
Additionally, someone told me that you were banned at another sight a few years ago for posting bogus records for Charlie Sports. I also question your "record keeping" on a site that has folded up. Now you come in here and try to bullshit with more "facts" that Vitterd shot down with factual information. You may be a decent guy but I am surprised that no one has called bullshit in the past. You tried this same shit with Enfuego a few nights ago and your information was debunked.
If your info is so accurate why don't you post it at this site instead of harassing the members by calling them out. Post them here for us all to see.
Savage, just let it go, I can assure you this is my last post on this topic. You come in here begging for Northcoast's plays so that you can keep accurate records for a competitor site. That in itself is suspect. I decided to check on your thread and it appears that your record keeping is more of an angry rant consisting of short term losing streaks. You really don't have accurate numbers on this company and appear to pick and choose short term losing streaks. You are doing what the scammers do except you are choosing losing streaks instead of winning streaks. As a matter of fact, a member asked you what their Executive Club record was and here is your response:
I don't have it exactly and don't need it-the only sure thing is that isn't worthy of even close to $3500 or so price annually assuming someone is dumb enough to pay it.
There are tons of services which charge a small fraction of that,have much better records and very importantly without the pile of bullshit, lies by omission and overall deceptions which emanate from NC every day.
I do know that their 5*/GOY's which define and are indicative of the worth of a service, have been horrendous the last few years.
Additionally, someone told me that you were banned at another sight a few years ago for posting bogus records for Charlie Sports. I also question your "record keeping" on a site that has folded up. Now you come in here and try to bullshit with more "facts" that Vitterd shot down with factual information. You may be a decent guy but I am surprised that no one has called bullshit in the past. You tried this same shit with Enfuego a few nights ago and your information was debunked.
If your info is so accurate why don't you post it at this site instead of harassing the members by calling them out. Post them here for us all to see.
Your back is agains the wall and you are in FEAR and scard shitless that vitterd will back up everything I say!!!
Of course you won't post any more because of the fear that I will be proven to be teling the truth about the other forum.
And don't make me laugh about enfuego-I made a complete fool out of with he points I made-he could not directly refute and point I made, several of which were corrobrated by several experiened gamblers-All he could weakly ask for is direct proof.
He actually suggested we should end the dscussion when I cornered him with yet another point to which he was unable tot respond-he was no challange whatsoever!
Back to the point-how come virtually no one comes forth to defend Phil Steel, Brandon about what I say about them? Conversely at the other forum did you notice any posts which agree with what I say?
Youre like NC in that you talk about only what you wish to.
Yeah I was banned BC many years ago a BC because Charlie was an advertiser-what I said though was 100% true! I was also reinstated many years ago and am a member in good standing.
No offense but you are WAY out your league in trying to debate me bout Phll Steele/Northcoast, as you are just offering opinions based on limited knowledge whereas I have followed since began.
ps Vitterd shot me down with WHAT DOCUMENTED FACTS????
My FACTS are that someone else told somthing dfferent-perhaps you should look up the meaning of the word in the dictionary.
Any judge/court in the country would regard what we said about sources as hearsay-the fact that I even have to explain that to you cast serious doubts about your debatiig skills.
Bye for now-perhaps you can do better next time.
To Vitterd:
Lest there be any misunderstanding here and to be sure that you saw what I wrote in post 202, I am respectfully requesting that you answer the questions for reasons contained within the post, namely mountain's allegations made several times in the last year that the forum in question never existed and that I did not maintain any NC Threads.
I will consider a no response to this and/or a "I don't want to get involved" as unacceptable without an explanation.
I have known you for a long time via various sites and have confidence that you wll do the responsible and correct thing here.
Thanks
Lest there be any misunderstanding here and to be sure that you saw what I wrote in post 202, I am respectfully requesting that you answer the questions for reasons contained within the post, namely mountain's allegations made several times in the last year that the forum in question never existed and that I did not maintain any NC Threads.
I will consider a no response to this and/or a "I don't want to get involved" as unacceptable without an explanation.
I have known you for a long time via various sites and have confidence that you wll do the responsible and correct thing here.
Thanks
To Vitterd:
Lest there be any misunderstanding here and to be sure that you saw what I wrote in post 202, I am respectfully requesting that you answer the questions for reasons contained within the post, namely mountain's allegations made several times in the last year that the forum in question never existed and that I did not maintain any NC Threads.
I will consider a no response to this and/or a "I don't want to get involved" as unacceptable without an explanation.
I have known you for a long time via various sites and have confidence that you wll do the responsible and correct thing here.
Thanks
Yes, I was a member of that forum years ago. I'm not sure why the site was shutdown. I have no idea about that. I do remember that you and I had several conversations on that site. Also I do remember you having recap thread and comp line thread at that site for many years.
I didn't respond earlier because I just saw your request to me in my bowl pick thread. But yes, that site did exist many years ago and you were there with the threads you indicated.
Yes, I was a member of that forum years ago. I'm not sure why the site was shutdown. I have no idea about that. I do remember that you and I had several conversations on that site. Also I do remember you having recap thread and comp line thread at that site for many years.
I didn't respond earlier because I just saw your request to me in my bowl pick thread. But yes, that site did exist many years ago and you were there with the threads you indicated.
When I say comp line and recap thread. I meant they were northcoast comp line thread and nothcoast recap thread
When I say comp line and recap thread. I meant they were northcoast comp line thread and nothcoast recap thread
Thanks vitterd for corroborating the belief I have always had that you are an honest and straight forward/shooting person.
Hopefully this will enlighten mountain and others that I dd not make this stuff up re: Northcoast.
Moutain, I am not calling you a liar re: this matter -I just think that you were unaware of the existence of this defunct forum and thus my posting and made a snap judgment.
Also, I apologize to you vitteds for going to your thread but this issue is important to me for obvious reasons.
No prob Savage. Again, what I was told, I believe is 100 percent true regarding the sale and deal made. I think phil is a hard worker when it comes to handicapping but as always, I would never use someone else's opinion on the outcomes of these games but my own.
I will say this, in the disgusting world of sports services, northcoast was and still prob is, on the higher end. Meaning, while they are somewhat deceptive in record keeping...they are nowhere near the stu feiner types of this world.
Good luck and thanks or the kind words. You can ask me anything in any thread...I will always answer...I just forget to come back to the threads sometimes. Lol
I will say this, in the disgusting world of sports services, northcoast was and still prob is, on the higher end. Meaning, while they are somewhat deceptive in record keeping...they are nowhere near the stu feiner types of this world.
Good luck and thanks or the kind words. You can ask me anything in any thread...I will always answer...I just forget to come back to the threads sometimes. Lol
Vitterd-no one is as disgusting,vile and despicable as Stu Feiner as a capper and more importanly as a human being.
You are probably right as to who is currently making the picks at NC because they were never awful as they have been of late, especially the Games of Something.
And yes in all fairness, NC doesn't have zillion star locks every day of the year and like some other services, ec..
That said though and as I have said for years, their record keeping is slick, misleading and imo all things considered, gives a false impression as to how they have been doing overall.
Jus bragging about that which wins and not talking about certain types of late phones and types which have been losing( the Monday Night side and total picks this season were a disaster but never cited nor talked about by them-stuff like that just isn't right).
You are probably right as to who is currently making the picks at NC because they were never awful as they have been of late, especially the Games of Something.
And yes in all fairness, NC doesn't have zillion star locks every day of the year and like some other services, ec..
That said though and as I have said for years, their record keeping is slick, misleading and imo all things considered, gives a false impression as to how they have been doing overall.
Jus bragging about that which wins and not talking about certain types of late phones and types which have been losing( the Monday Night side and total picks this season were a disaster but never cited nor talked about by them-stuff like that just isn't right).
