How can I say they're not located in the USA? Simple, go to their contact page:
https://www.neteller.com/neteller/help6.cfm
https://www.neteller.com/neteller/help6.cfm
Senators often refer to bills or nominations "on the calendar." They are referring to the legislative calendar, or to the executive calendar, not the daily calendar.
The legislative calendar is maintained by the Secretary of the Senate and is made available online by the Government Printing office. The legislative calendar is at
http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/browse-sc.html
good luck
The legislative calendar is maintained by the Secretary of the Senate and is made available online by the Government Printing office. The legislative calendar is at
http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/browse-sc.html
good luck
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hanover00:
Assuming the Bill passes, the Feds can place Neteller on the list of undesireable destinations for fund transfers. At that point, US banks would block any transfer to Neteller whether it be by wire, EFT, check, etc.
It's that simple.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
very true...im sure there would be others ways that would pop up thou hanover..someone will find a loophole
Assuming the Bill passes, the Feds can place Neteller on the list of undesireable destinations for fund transfers. At that point, US banks would block any transfer to Neteller whether it be by wire, EFT, check, etc.
It's that simple.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
very true...im sure there would be others ways that would pop up thou hanover..someone will find a loophole
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> very true...im sure there would be others ways that would pop up thou hanover..someone will find a loophole <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree Dante. Seems like too many people are pissing their pants over the prospects of this Bill passing. Some people are also getting hysterical over what it will mean to them personally.
The Bill is only intended to block money transfers, not to put 2 million casual bettors in jail. I predict that it will never pass because, on the face of it, it is impractical to expect banks to chase down and identify every bank account connected to a gambling site and money transfer agent. Also, the Constitutionality of it will be challenged if agents such as Neteller and others who are not solely in the business of transfers to gambling accounts are blocked. They're heading into a legal quagmire with this and cooler heads will prevail.
I agree Dante. Seems like too many people are pissing their pants over the prospects of this Bill passing. Some people are also getting hysterical over what it will mean to them personally.
The Bill is only intended to block money transfers, not to put 2 million casual bettors in jail. I predict that it will never pass because, on the face of it, it is impractical to expect banks to chase down and identify every bank account connected to a gambling site and money transfer agent. Also, the Constitutionality of it will be challenged if agents such as Neteller and others who are not solely in the business of transfers to gambling accounts are blocked. They're heading into a legal quagmire with this and cooler heads will prevail.
I believe Congress recesses on Dec. 15th. When this bill is voted on in the Senate, I don’t think there’s any doubt it will pass. It will then be returned to the House to be reconciled. I see two main sticking points:
1) The penalties in the Kyl bill compared to no penalties in the House version.
2) The Kyl bill creates a new office in the Dept. Of Treasury, which will be responsible for notifying all the banks and money conveyance org. in the US (W/U, E-Gold, etc) as to which companies they are prohibited from doing bus with i.e. Neteller, and all sportsbooks who are known to have US bank accounts. The Banking industry has to object to this. If an office is going to be funded/created, it is then obviously going to be staffed by investigators. These investigators have to produce “lawbreakers” to justify their jobs. The only ones these investigators can target are BANKS. I understand banks are opposed to this law and will put up a fight.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong here, but even if Neteller is forced to close its US bank accts that doesn’t mean a US resident can’t receive a Neteller check. It will just be drawn on a Canadian bank. Right? Anyone ever cashed a foreign check? What is the ave wait time?
1) The penalties in the Kyl bill compared to no penalties in the House version.
2) The Kyl bill creates a new office in the Dept. Of Treasury, which will be responsible for notifying all the banks and money conveyance org. in the US (W/U, E-Gold, etc) as to which companies they are prohibited from doing bus with i.e. Neteller, and all sportsbooks who are known to have US bank accounts. The Banking industry has to object to this. If an office is going to be funded/created, it is then obviously going to be staffed by investigators. These investigators have to produce “lawbreakers” to justify their jobs. The only ones these investigators can target are BANKS. I understand banks are opposed to this law and will put up a fight.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong here, but even if Neteller is forced to close its US bank accts that doesn’t mean a US resident can’t receive a Neteller check. It will just be drawn on a Canadian bank. Right? Anyone ever cashed a foreign check? What is the ave wait time?
"this guy ought to be shot" chuck,nothing that good could ever happen
I don't think it will amount to muh at all. Banks have been protesting loudly over all of the impetus that has been put on them since 9/11; they don't want more hassles.
It can effect Neteller in a tangential sense -- Canada and the US have a very strong MLAT, the short version of which is that even if the US cannot strictly come down on Neteller, they could have the Canadians do it -- and they most likely would, if asked.
Allthe more reason to use e-gold in my opinion. e-gold transfers are not technically money transfers; they are transfers of physical bullion from one account within the system to another. As a result e-gold is exempt from almost all of the current reporting laws, money trasnfer rules etc.
Over seven years in business, over $ 20 million in deposits, chargebacks not possible, and only three books have clued in to e-gold -- and one of them is that shitty Russian outfit Fonbet. Go figure.
In the end, if the banks make enough noise it'll get watered down or tossed -- they successfully lobbied against some of the changes brought about by USA-PATRIOT.
Also, for the record, the government did not "get" Visa/MasterCard. The decision to stop doing gambling transfers was their own.
Phaedrus
It can effect Neteller in a tangential sense -- Canada and the US have a very strong MLAT, the short version of which is that even if the US cannot strictly come down on Neteller, they could have the Canadians do it -- and they most likely would, if asked.
Allthe more reason to use e-gold in my opinion. e-gold transfers are not technically money transfers; they are transfers of physical bullion from one account within the system to another. As a result e-gold is exempt from almost all of the current reporting laws, money trasnfer rules etc.
Over seven years in business, over $ 20 million in deposits, chargebacks not possible, and only three books have clued in to e-gold -- and one of them is that shitty Russian outfit Fonbet. Go figure.
In the end, if the banks make enough noise it'll get watered down or tossed -- they successfully lobbied against some of the changes brought about by USA-PATRIOT.
Also, for the record, the government did not "get" Visa/MasterCard. The decision to stop doing gambling transfers was their own.
Phaedrus
posted by oldmantime:
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First what books do take the e-gold?
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As far as I know, only MegaSB and Fonbet accept e-gold directly. GameBookers does as well, but it's via the payment system MoneyBookers, which several books accept. You can fund a MB account with e-gold but it's expensive to do so; might as well just use MB.
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... if I remember correctly; Secure-Buxx when they first started said it was gold shares or something to that effect you were buying.
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Some companies will do that. There was a company called OSGold that came out in 2000 making similar claims, basically as a competitor to e-gold. It turned out the only thing backing the currency was blips on a screen, and through a series of assorted fraudulent actions the management of the company bilked several thousand people out of several million dollars. There's a big stinky court case going on about it now in New York.
Anyway. e-gold has a very comprehensive accounting page that features the size, brand, location and even serial number of every bar of gold, palladium, platinum and silver backing their currency. The information is verifiable by third parties. That is a big leap from just saying "hey, we got gold."
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So is this e-gold totally safe[?]
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I think so. They've been around a lot longer than any of these startups that have popped out in the last year since Visa/MC stopped processing gambling sites, and unlike the vast majority of them e-gold is not dependent upon the gambling industry in order to survive.
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and if so when are more books going to use it?
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I'm pimpin as had as I can, G. I'm givin it all my pimpin.
Phaedrus
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First what books do take the e-gold?
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As far as I know, only MegaSB and Fonbet accept e-gold directly. GameBookers does as well, but it's via the payment system MoneyBookers, which several books accept. You can fund a MB account with e-gold but it's expensive to do so; might as well just use MB.
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... if I remember correctly; Secure-Buxx when they first started said it was gold shares or something to that effect you were buying.
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Some companies will do that. There was a company called OSGold that came out in 2000 making similar claims, basically as a competitor to e-gold. It turned out the only thing backing the currency was blips on a screen, and through a series of assorted fraudulent actions the management of the company bilked several thousand people out of several million dollars. There's a big stinky court case going on about it now in New York.
Anyway. e-gold has a very comprehensive accounting page that features the size, brand, location and even serial number of every bar of gold, palladium, platinum and silver backing their currency. The information is verifiable by third parties. That is a big leap from just saying "hey, we got gold."
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So is this e-gold totally safe[?]
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I think so. They've been around a lot longer than any of these startups that have popped out in the last year since Visa/MC stopped processing gambling sites, and unlike the vast majority of them e-gold is not dependent upon the gambling industry in order to survive.
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and if so when are more books going to use it?
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I'm pimpin as had as I can, G. I'm givin it all my pimpin.
Phaedrus
Sorry I didn't come earlier to comment due to my technical difficulties, but I don't think there is any news here. Kyl bragged once about how this was going to be put on the calendar "right" after break, meaning early September. Here it is near the end of session and it has just gotten on the agenda of possible topics to be taken up. There are still plenty of political games to be played just to get this to the floor, let alone voted on. Its going to get amended, I can assure everyone of that. Barney Frank was saying it wouldn't pass this year because he thinks Kyl won't amend it. If he does amend it then it might pass, but it will be a totally worthless bill I would guess something like the House version with no penalties, no real guidance on who oversees it, and when it comes down to it if no one is responsible to watch after it and there are no punishable crimes from it, then it goes into the annuals as a complete waste of time. Period.
I don't have a good pipeline into what is going on in the Senate so I am sorry, can't give you a definitive answer on this. I can tell you that there is no support for it outside of a core of a handful of zealots like Kyl. Most people are closer to Barney Frank than you think, but since Kyl has some clout and does stand on a very important committee in these days (Armed Forces), a lot of Senators might just help him out because this is one of those things where you say just who in the Senate really cares if it is legal or not?
I don't have a good pipeline into what is going on in the Senate so I am sorry, can't give you a definitive answer on this. I can tell you that there is no support for it outside of a core of a handful of zealots like Kyl. Most people are closer to Barney Frank than you think, but since Kyl has some clout and does stand on a very important committee in these days (Armed Forces), a lot of Senators might just help him out because this is one of those things where you say just who in the Senate really cares if it is legal or not?
