sell! sell! sell!

[tiznow]

Russia has a ton of internal problems now.. there were rare recent youth rallies.. the rich/poor divide there is huge.. and low
oil prices are hurting their finances.. external enemy/war always a great distraction..

cnn just showing trump admin flipped in a matter of days from we don't care who's in power to we want Assad out..

 

[tiznow]

[h=1]What Russia's Latest Protests Mean for Putin - The Atlantic[/h]Julia Ioffe
Mar 27, 2017

Police officers detain an opposition supporter during a rally in Vladivostok, Russia. Yuri Maltsev / Reuters[h=1]What Russia's Latest Protests Mean for Putin[/h]After the largest demonstrations in years erupted across the country on Sunday, the Kremlin is fighting back.

• Julia Ioffe
• Mar 27, 2017
• Global

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/520878/

 

[PatsFan1283]

I see it now. Your link went to some old piece from March 29th.

This is what you are referring to.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/09/middleeast/syria-missile-strike-chemical-attack-aftermath/index.html

GL w/ that. Syria a mess. No win situation. They don't even have that oil $ to fall back on like Iraq. Iraq had gold in the ground and a small population and still didn't want peace.

But yeah, more I think of it Putin is trying to go with the Ali strategy vs Foreman. Rope a dope. Lure him in.

Doubt we take the bait unless we incredibly naive or just want war for other reasons like you said.

 

[tiznow]

ME/Libya chaos = big bucks for military industrial complex in US.. trump can distract from health care and budget failures and likely add a boost to economy at same time..

ME/Libya chaos = good for Russia good distraction from rising internal problems/Putin's spot may be at risk.. while likely sending oil prices higher..

Our leaders/lobbiests/think tanks that are in the ears of the right/left one party system divide.. lost interest in what is best for the US long term a long time ago.. they pushed hard for Iraq invasion which anybody with any logical sense knew would turn out messy.. and ultimately led to the Syrian situation..

only ones in congress that have any clue are the rand Paul/freedom caucus guys..

 

[PatsFan1283]

I'm not really quite there on how nefarious our leaders are. I think they're incompetent and heavily influenced by special interests but not necessarily full blown evil. That part of libertarianism has eluded me so far, but I've got time to get more jaded I suppose.

I do wonder how much the war ='s nationalism and rally around flag playbook even works in 2017 with the internet which naturally increases skepticism and transparency of government. Was no breitbart, zerohedge, etc in 2003 and post 9/11 patriotic surge just seems a lot easier in a climate like that than now.

I think it is a harder sell now, but watching the mainstream media the last 3 days, they definitely haven't gotten that memo. Most of them cheerleading already but I could see them finding out the hard way that it's a new day.

 

[tiznow]

Most leaders throughout the history of mankind are evil as fuck and super manipulative...not sure why u think now would be any different lol

founders set up a great system that's tough to bastardized but they slowly but surely are doing it..

 

[tiznow]

And yeah expanded war in Syria will be a tough sell.. gonna need some/more help from Russia on that..

maybe it wont happen dunno.. but now that we've clearly taken a side the games completely changed..

and yeah all it took was 59 tomahawks sent into Libya for the clinton news network CNN to give trump props.. my mom called me to tell be about Syria thing.. as I was reading CNN article about clinton saying if she was POTUS she would take out assad's air..

 

[PatsFan1283]

I believe that most that aspire to run our gov't are sociopaths because of how big and powerful it is. Then you've got all the leeches, parasites that want use it for their own influence and wealth.

But I don't think our top leaders literally make the determination "We need some keynesian spending, let's go to war"

I think it's much simpler than that, central planning and gov't is really hard and even the brightest people get very suboptimal results because of how bad the system is.

Someone like Greenspan/Bernanke/Yellen an example of this, I don't think they're evil, I just think over time it's too easy to veer off tracks and fuckup with a system like that.

Obviously that's a massive generalization on many, many levels but you get the general crux.

 

[PatsFan1283]

And yeah expanded war in Syria will be a tough sell.. gonna need some/more help from Russia on that..

maybe it wont happen dunno.. but now that we've clearly taken a side the games completely changed..

and yeah all it took was 59 tomahawks sent into Libya for the clinton news network CNN to give trump props.. my mom called me to tell be about Syria thing.. as I was reading CNN article about clinton saying if she was POTUS she would take out assad's air..

Lookup what Brian Williams and Fareed Zakaria all said about it. Both giddy. Williams comments just pure propaganda saying beautiful bombs or some crap.

Even if media isn't in on it, media loves war obviously. Nothing brings the ratings like war.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Lookup what Brian Williams and Fareed Zakaria all said about it. Both giddy. Williams comments just pure propaganda saying beautiful bombs or some crap.

Even if media isn't in on it, media loves war obviously. Nothing brings the ratings like war.

Lockheed and Raytheon green pre-market fwiw

 

[tiznow]

Central banking problem is caused by academic inbreeding.. all taught the same crap during their Ivy League educations.. and live in their bubbles of non reality..

hard to nail down who's "evil" etc.. but DC as a whole become one big cesspool of big corporate interests... the bigger/more powerful/dependent we become on the federal gov the more corrupt it gets.. just simple logic.. concentrated centralized government always gets corrupted .. it's just the way this stuff works... no country will ever be immune to this problem..

founders wanted a large majority of this crap to take place at state/local level where there are better checks and balances..

 

[PatsFan1283]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying really.

Thomas Massey did say something interesting after Trump won. He said when he won and the other HFC guys swept in, he thought it was because people were becoming more libertarian, wanted to go back to small gov't, founding principles, etc

But then he saw this election and Bernie almost unseats Clinton and Trump smashes everyone. And he realized it isn't about young dems liking socialism, or old whites liking populism/nationalism a ton, but rather the common theme is voting for all of those 3 I just mentioned is to destroy the establishment.

So people can't necessarily coherently spell out what they want, but they are sick of this shit I think. Why Syria escalation gonna be a tough sell.

http://reason.com/blog/2017/03/15/thomas-massies-unified-theory-of-ron-pau

 

[tiznow]

As long as people fairly comfortable in their day to day life and force fed the stuff by mass media they can pretty much do whatever they please.. what they've done the past 20 years a great indication of just that..

fox news headline..

McMaster: Trump open to more military action in Syria but seeks 'political solution'

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majority of congress is pro interventionist status quo .. so they should have no problem with congress..

 

[tiznow]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying really.

Thomas Massey did say something interesting after Trump won. He said when he won and the other HFC guys swept in, he thought it was because people were becoming more libertarian, wanted to go back to small gov't, founding principles, etc

But then he saw this election and Bernie almost unseats Clinton and Trump smashes everyone. And he realized it isn't about young dems liking socialism, or old whites liking populism/nationalism a ton, but rather the common theme is voting for all of those 3 I just mentioned is to destroy the establishment.

So people can't necessarily coherently spell out what they want, but they are sick of this shit I think. Why Syria escalation gonna be a tough sell.

http://reason.com/blog/2017/03/15/thomas-massies-unified-theory-of-ron-pau

problem is they all false prophets ... they put up two establishment stooges and say go at it.. trump a complete farse as was obvious from day 1 to me..

media on both sides of the aisle blackballed the only two POTUS candidates in recent history that would have truly been anti establishment.. Ron and Rand..

bernie had he made it.. woulda gotten bastardized by the left wing establishment..

 

[PatsFan1283]

Ron bastardized yeah, he didn't really do himself any favors. Not the best speaker/messenger.

Rand I think got a fair shake from the media (Time Mag cover saying he was future of GOP) but honestly I think the reason he didn't resonate was a lot simpler than that. They just weren't that into him. Libertarian stuff doesn't sell as well in a world of ISIS and obviously some parts of libertarian platform like crim justice reform just don't get much traction. Free markets/spending reform don't either once people realize what that entails.

Even I didn't give him the support that I should've, mostly because by the time the debates came around it was obvious he had 0 chance to win.

He could definitely gain a lot of traction over the next 4 years but who knows.


Unrelated but natives getting restless....

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...omic-adviser-pro-immigration-pro-outsourcing/

 

[tiznow]

Until a majority of population gets outta the heavy interventionism is good mentality it will be an uphill battle.. hard to do as all mass media market force feed lots of fear and war is good...

The Iraq war never sat right with me and looked super forced .. than came the massive housing bubble full of corruption and everybody in government seemingly looking the other way on things that were blatantly obvious to my random ass Internet hunting for info.. than Ron ran for POTUS he was the guy that really woke me up.. first politician I ever listened to that made any logical sense on a large majority of things that came outta his mouth..

sometimes I wish I hadn't been woken up.. and I didn't pay such a close attention to financial markets/world around me.. and I could instead just coast along through life as an ignorant content corporate slave bagholding 401k rally round the flagger like many "educated" Americans do ha..

 

[PatsFan1283]

Oil nice spike today. HOS up 13%, still near 3yr lows though. They do US port to port shipping.

All the offshore vessel fleet names been hammered hard and have debt but this 1 seems like the best chance to recover. Obviously risky though.

Also lol @ Whole Foods spike on buyout rumors. Grocery space very saturated with low margins, their days of trading like a disruptive tech company should be over.

 

[tiznow]

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump's travel to his private club in Florida has cost over an estimated $20 million in his first 80 days as president, putting the president on pace in his first year of office to surpass former President Barack Obama's spending on travel for his entire eight years.

 

[bukis1]

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump's travel to his private club in Florida has cost over an estimated $20 million in his first 80 days as president, putting the president on pace in his first year of office to surpass former President Barack Obama's spending on travel for his entire eight years.

I find this hard to believe but if true it is total nonsense

 

[tiznow]

I find this hard to believe but if true it is total nonsense

He also continuously called out obama for golfing too much during the campaign.. saying things like he would be too busy to golf...

up to this point obama had yet to hit the golf course.. trump already up to 12 trips ...

I'm not pro obama at all that isn't the point of the comparison..

trump one big hypocritical fake as expected..