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All capitalism does is export the problem abroad, foreign countries get the poverty and misery, especially at the start

Once those overseas countries are squeezed dry or more resistant, the capitalist feeding frenzy turns on its own population, capitalism eventually devours its own people, which is what is happening at the moment
 

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Why did America advance at a rapid pace the last 200 years? Because the founding fathers set us on a path that maximized liberty and economic freedom more than any other time in human history.. True capitalism has natural checks and balances .. Thing like recessions and bankruptcies for those that do wrong.. It constantly weeds itself out like Mother Nature.. Unfortunately stuff like that is no longer allowed if deemed to big to fail under our highly interventionist economic system (true capitalism dead for a long time now).. Obviously it's been bastardized over the years now that certain entities have gained so much power and control ..
 

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And those abroad that have adopted "capitalism" just take the bits and pieces the corrupt leaders pick and choose.. Like China things like personal liberty and individual thinking greatly hindering.. True Liberty and economic freedom has been dead for a while..

And im not saying let everybody run free.. Things like food safety, environment etc necessary... Just saying anybody that thinks what we have today globally and in America is anything close to a free market economy is just flat out wrong.. It's extrememly interventionist where big corporate interests gets their way through lobbying etc...
 

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The lagging indicator of jobs starts to sour.. Private sector hiring in April smallest gain since April 2013...
 

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And those abroad that have adopted "capitalism" just take the bits and pieces the corrupt leaders pick and choose.. Like China things like personal liberty and individual thinking greatly hindering.. True Liberty and economic freedom has been dead for a while..

And im not saying let everybody run free.. Things like food safety, environment etc necessary... Just saying anybody that thinks what we have today globally and in America is anything close to a free market economy is just flat out wrong.. It's extrememly interventionist where big corporate interests gets their way through lobbying etc...


We're become so far removed that it is a foreign concept really.

Creative destruction in the economic sense is greatly lagging because of the market distortions.

Cruz is filled with warts but for all of them, he seemed to understood and be committed to this principle more than anyone.
 

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[h=1]One Man (Who Is Not A Fan Of Trump) Explains Why Trump Winning Is Good For Democracy[/h]By Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
While it might sound strange, a coronation of Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary will mark the end of the party as we know it. There’s been a lot written about the “Sanders surge,” with much of it revolving around Hillary Clinton’s extreme personal weakness as a candidate. While this is indisputable, it’s also a convenient way for the status quo to exempt itself from fault and discount genuine grassroots anger. I’m of the view that Sanders’ support is more about people liking him than them disliking Hillary, particularly when it comes to registered Democrats. He’s not merely seen as the “least bad choice.” People really do like him.
The Sanders appeal is twofold. He is seen as unusually honest and consistent for someone who’s held elected office for much of his life, plus he advocates a refreshingly anti-establishment view on core issues that matter to an increasing number of Americans. These include militarism, Wall Street bailouts, a two-tiered justice system, the prohibitive cost of college education, healthcare insecurity and a “rigged economy.” While Hillary is being forced to pay lip service to these issues, everybody knows she doesn’t mean a word of it. She means it less than Obama meant it in 2008, and Obama really didn’t mean it.
– From the post: It’s Not Just the GOP – The Democratic Party is Also Imploding
Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders have done America a great deal of good. By running from the political fringes, they have shattered status quo taboos and exposed the two party political system for the monumental sham it is.
Whether you like either one of them is irrelevant. The truth about how undemocratic our elections actually are, and the disturbing overlap when it comes to establishment Republicans and Democrats needed exposing, and that’s exactly what’s happened this election season. Personally, I wanted to see Trump vs. Sanders in the general election. I think the public deserved two non-mainstream choices for President for once in their lives, and such a match up would have provided two distinct non status quo visions for the future. That said, Trump vs. Clinton is the second best option.
The process of awakening that’s been happening across the electorate this campaign season is in large part due to the presence of Trump and Sanders, and this awakening is far more important than who wins in November. As Edward Snowden was quoted saying in yesterday’s piece, A Whistleblower Manifesto:
Fundamentally, in an open society, change has to flow from the bottom to the top.
He’s right. If you want fundamental, long-term change consistent with Constitutional principles, it needs to come from an informed citizenry. America has not had a remotely informed citizenry in over a generation. The divide and conquer tactics of both establishment parties have proven tremendously successful in pulling the wool over everybody’s eyes and convincing them that there’s actually a real difference, when in reality both parties maintain the exact same position on a vast majority of the nation’s key issues. These include:
1) Support for interventionist wars of imperialism abroad.
2) An embrace of cronyism and corruption throughout the public and private sector.
3) A total pandering to Wall Street and support for taxpayer bailouts without accountability.
4) Support for the inhumane failure that is the war on the drugs.
5) Support for fake free trade deals that are actually corporate giveaways to insiders and donors.
6) Support for the unconstitutional and unaccountable mass surveillance of the American public.
I could go on, but you get the point. The interesting thing about the 2016 election is that millions of Americans are finally coming around to rejecting the policies listed above. The status quo, of course, has not; and therein lies the status quo’s problem.
Between Sanders and Trump, the status quo policy planks listed above have all come under attack. This cannot be allowed, which is precisely why the establishment has relentlessly fought both men in their attempts to win the nomination of their respective parties.
The status quo doesn’t actually care if a Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio or Hillary Clinton wins the U.S. Presidency. The status quo wins either way. Not only because those individuals unquestionably will support the status quo agenda, but more importantly, they will largely refrain from bringing up any real issues during their campaigns. Rather than being fought along the lines of trade deals, Wall Street corruption and disastrous foreign policy, a Bush vs. Clinton matchup would largely be centered around debate about guns, abortion, transgender bathrooms and disingenuous talking points about the free market vs. big government. This distraction provides fertile ground for continued status quo theft.
The problem with Trump is Trump brings up some real issues he’s not supposed to talk about, just like Sanders has done in the Democratic primary. This is extremely dangerous to the status quo because it teaches the American peasants to question issues and think about stuff they aren’t supposed to think about or have an opinion on. There’s nothing more dangerous than a public filled with critical thinkers. As George Carlin brilliantly explained so many years ago:
The real owners are the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians, they’re an irrelevancy. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice.
You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land.
They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the statehouses, the city halls. They’ve got the judges in their back pockets. And they own all the big media companies, so that they control just about all of the news and information you hear. They’ve got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying * lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else.
But I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago.
You know what they want? Obedient workers * people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork but just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it.
And, now, they’re coming for your Social Security. They want your fucking retirement money. They want it back, so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all, sooner or later, because they own this fucking place. It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club.
This country is finished.
That’s all you really need to know. Politicians are irrelevant. They are there to spin issues and make sure the public remains as ignorant, distracted and divided along inconsequentially themes as possible. The thing the status quo really fears is a population that begins to think outside the box, which is why both Trump and Sanders have been seen as existential threats to their corrupt and putrid sandbox of power.
So with all of that out of the way, it makes perfect sense that some establishment Republicans have announced they will support Hillary Clinton. Go back and read my status quo policy planks outlined earlier. Any Republican in favor of them will naturally support Hillary Clinton, because Hillary Clinton will protect and coddle their racket. This is guaranteed. Trump may also end up coddling the establishment, but the status quo can’t be 100% sure. He’s a wildcard and he’s uncaged. They can’t have someone like that causing them headaches and potentially getting the plebs all wound up.
Now let’s turn to Politico, to see a little of what I’m talking about. From the article, Republicans Consider Clinton over Trump:
While many conservative stalwarts are conflicted and stuck in a state of paralysis, some are considering the ultimate betrayal.
Hours before Indiana polls closed Tuesday evening when it was becoming clear that Trump was headed for a decisive win, some prominent Republicans were moving away from him. Mark Salter, John McCain’s former campaign speechwriter, signaled his support for Clinton via Twitter. Conservative pundit Ben Howe did the same.
Schmidt predicted that “a substantial amount of Republican officials who have worked in Republican administrations, especially on issues of defense and national security, will endorse Hillary Clinton in the campaign.”
But the most absolutist opposition to Trump is largely held by the GOP’s donor class and Washington-based establishment—the very people Trump and his supporters have delighted in offending from the start.

These four paragraphs tell you everything you need to know. It’s one thing to dislike Trump and decide you are unable to support him. Given some of his rhetoric in the primary, I can certainly understand and respect this position. However, supporting Hillary Clinton, one of the most shady, dishonest, warmongering, corrupt animals the world has ever seen, is a whole other ballgame. It tells you who these so-called “conservatives” really are: status quo sycophants.
But it’s not just Republicans coming out in favor of Clinton. There’s increasing evidence that Clinton will target establishment Republicans for votes. The AP reports:
ATHENS, Ohio (AP) — With Donald Trump all but clinching the Republican nomination for president, Hillary Clinton is beginning to explore ways to woo Republicans turned off by the brash billionaire.
“I’m with her,” tweeted Mark Salter, a top campaign aide to 2008 Republican nominee John McCain, on Tuesday.
Democrats caution their effort to win over Clinton Republicans — or Hilla-cans, perhaps — is in its earliest stages, but could grow to include ads and other outreach targeted in particular at suburban women in battleground states. Already, aides say, a number of Republicans have privately told Clinton and her team they plan to break party ranks and support her as soon as Trump formally captures his party’s nomination.
“We have an informed understanding that we could have the potential to expect support from not just Democrats and independents, but Republicans, too,” said Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon. “There’s a time and place for that support to make itself known.”
Clinton has begun casting her candidacy in recent days as a cry to unify a divided country. After a series of victories last week, which all but ensured she will capture her party’s nomination, Clinton called on Democrats, independents and what she called “thoughtful Republicans” to back her bid.
Guy Cecil, chief strategist of Priorities USA Action, the super PAC backing her campaign, echoed that language Tuesday night, calling on “Democrats, independents and reasonable Republicans” to reject Trump’s “outdated ideas.”
Irrespective of what you think of Trump, his continued survival in the Presidential circus is undoubtably good. Not because he’s some sort of savior who will “Make America Great Again,” but because he’s bringing up issues he’s not supposed to bring up. Because he’s getting people who have given up on the political process engaged again. Because he’s convincing tens of millions of Americans that it really is possible to give the status quo the boot.
At the end of the day, it’s not the actions of any particular individual that instills true fear in the U.S. establishment and deep state government. What really scares them is a population capable of critical thought beyond false left-right paradigm talking points, and both Sanders and Trump should be applauded for their roles in this regard.
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Why did America advance at a rapid pace the last 200 years?

Everyone in the west benefited eventually, mainly through the profits of colonialism and technical superiority, those days are long gone now though. And who passed all that expertise overseas? Why the capitalists of course!

All global capitalism is after nowadays is one dollar an hour labour, preferably with a degree, and zero percent tax.

Capitalism will happily work with Fascism, Communism (china) and anyone else who supplies downtrodden labour and cheap resources, the system is actually irrelevant

Communists who refuse to co-operate are "bad" i.e. Cuba, Communists who co-operate are "good" i.e. China
They rave against Communists in the USA... then get half the stuff they buy daily produced by communists, lol

If ISIS suddenly started producing 10 dollar Iphones for Apple they would be forgiven and any past misdemeanors forgotten
 

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Joseph Hellers' book catch-22 summed the capitalist paradox up nicely

You won't ever see an advert saying:

"Buy products from XXXX incorporated and help to make the communists even richer and more powerful !"

and yet that's exactly what's happening
 

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More jobs data showing the weakening beginning..

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[h=1]U.S. jobless claims rise; planned layoffs surge | Reuters[/h]By Lucia Mutikani
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The number of Americans filing for unemployment benefits rose more than expected last week, posting the biggest gain in more than a year, but the underlying trend continued to point to a strengthening labor market.
Another report on Thursday showed a 35 percent surge in planned layoffs by U.S.-based employers last month. Most of the announced job cuts were concentrated in the energy sector, which is reeling from low oil prices that have hurt profits.
Initial claims for state unemployment benefits increased 17,000 to a seasonally adjusted 274,000 for the week ended April30, the Labor Department said. Last week's increase was the largest since February of last year.
"We are assuming the move in claims is largely technical. By all accounts, businesses cannot find the skilled labor they need," said Chris Rupkey, chief financial economist at MUFG Union Bank in New York.
Economists polled by Reuters had forecast initial claims rising to 260,000 in the latest week. Jobless claims have now been below 300,000, a threshold associated with healthy labor market conditions, for 61 consecutive weeks, the longest stretch since 1973. The four-week moving average of claims, considered a better measure of labor market trends as it irons out week-to-week volatility, rose 2,000 to 258,000 last week.
Prices for U.S. government debt slightly pared losses after the data, while the U.S. dollar .DXY edged up against a basket of currencies. U.S. stock futures were trading higher.
The latest claims data has no bearing on April's employment report as it falls outside the survey period.
Claims were generally low in April compared to March. That points to a fairly robust labor market despite a report on Wednesday showing hiring by employers in the private sector last month was the weakest in three years.
Though the ADP National Employment Report showed a slowdown in services industry hiring last month, an Institute for Supply Management survey showed employment in the services sector increased in April for a second straight month.
'HEAVY JOB CUTS'
In a second report on Thursday, global outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas said U.S.-based companies announced 65,141 job cuts last month, up 35 percent from March. The energy sector announced another 19,759 job cuts in April, bringing its total layoffs this year to 72,660. They were also layoffs in the information technology and retail sectors.
"It is not unusual to see heavy job cuts in a strong economy. Companies are constantly retooling, and sometimes the best time to do that is when the economy is strong," said John Challenger, the chief executive officer of Challenger, Gray & Christmas.
According to a Reuters survey of economists, the Labor Department is expected to report on Friday that nonfarm payrolls increased by 202,000 jobs in April after a gain of 215,000 in March. The unemployment rate is seen holding steady at 5.0 percent and average hourly earnings are forecast rising 0.3 percent for a second consecutive month.
Thursday's claims report showed the number of people still receiving benefits after an initial week of aid fell 8,000 to 2.12 million in the week ended April 23, the lowest level since November 2000.
The four-week average of the so-called continuing claims declined 17,000 to 2.14 million, also the lowest reading since November 2000.
 

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One of the sharpest investors out there ...

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[h=1]Druckenmiller: Get out of the stock market, own gold[/h]Legendary billionaire investor Stanley Druckenmiller told Sohn Investment Conference attendees to sell their equity holdings Wednesday.
"The conference wants a specific recommendation from me. I guess 'Get out of the stock market' isn't clear enough," said Druckenmiller from the conference stage in New York. Gold "remains our largest currency allocation."
The billionaire investor expressed skepticism about the current investment environment due to Federal Reserve's easy monetary policy and a slowing Chinese economy.
"The Fed has borrowed from future consumption more than ever before. It is the least data dependent Fed in history. This is is the longest deviation from historical norms in terms of Fed dovishness than I have ever seen in my career," Druckenmiller said. "This kind of myopia causes reckless behavior."
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He believes U.S. corporations have not used debt in productive investments, but instead relied on financial engineering with over $2 trillion in acquisitions and stock buybacks in the last year. This is finally showing up on the books of companies as operating cash flow growth in U.S. companies has gone negative year-over-year, while net debt as gone up, according to the investor.
Druckenmiller was negative on China's economy going forward and believes recent attempts at further stimulus in the Asian country will not work and "aggravated the over-capacity in the economy."
"Higher valuations, limits to further easing..the bull market is exhausting itself," he said.
Druckenmiller is chairman and chief executive officer of the Duquesne Family Office. His hedge fund track record is unparalleled, generating annualized returns of 30 percent during his investment career. The Duquesne fund never had a down year, according one of his investors Ken Langone.
 

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Wonder if anybody with a big name will run 3rd party? Libertarians et al will only end up draw a percent or two more this year..

and as I've said before regardless of his motive in running.. The only way Hillary gets elected after Obama is trump on the other side.. And polls right now are saying she will win easily.. Should be hysterical watching Donald fumble in debates one on one having to actually talk about issues now vs dodging/name calling etc

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Americans’ Distaste For Both Trump And Clinton Is Record-Breaking

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The Democratic primary will technically march on, but Hillary Clinton is almost certainly going to be her party’s nominee. Same with Donald Trump. And voters don’t appear thrilled at the prospect: Clinton and Trump are both more strongly disliked than any nominee at this point in the past 10 presidential cycles.
Normally, when we talk about candidate likability, we use favorability ratings, which combine “strongly favorable,” “somewhat favorable,” “somewhat unfavorable” and “strongly unfavorable.” But that didn’t work so well in the Republican primary, where Trump was able to win despite a relatively low net favorability rating because his “strongly favorable” rating with Republican primary voters was among the highest in the field. So let’s look at Trump and Clinton’s “strongly[SUP]1[/SUP] favorable” and “strongly unfavorable” ratings among general election voters.[SUP]2[/SUP]
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These are people who don’t just like or dislike the candidates, they really like or dislike them.
No past candidate comes close to Clinton, and especially Trump, in terms of engendering strong dislike a little more than six months before the election.
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Clinton’s average “strongly unfavorable” rating in probability sample polls from late March to late April, 37 percent, is about 5 percentage points higher than the previous high between 1980[SUP]3[/SUP] and 2012. Trump, though, is on another planet. Trump’s average “strongly unfavorable” rating, 53 percent, is 20 percentage points higher than every candidate’s rating besides Clinton’s. Trump is less disliked than David Dukewas when Duke ran for the presidency in 1992, but Duke never came close to winning the nomination. In fact, I’ve seen never anything like Trump’s numbers heading into a general election for someone who is supposed to be competitive.[SUP]4[/SUP]
Part of the negativity voters feel toward Clinton and Trump probably has something to do with growing political polarization in our country. But polarization doesn’t explain everything. If Trump and Clinton’s strongly unfavorable ratings were simply a byproduct of polarized politics, you’d expect them to have high “strongly favorable” ratings too. They don’t. You can see this in their net strong favorability ratings (the “strongly favorable” rating minus the “strongly unfavorable” rating):
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No major party nominee before Clinton or Trump had a double-digit net negative “strong favorability” rating. Clinton’s would be the lowest ever, except for Trump.
In previous cycles, the nominees of each party almost always had a strongly favorable and unfavorable rating within 10 percentage points of each other. The only exception was Michael Dukakis in 1988; only 19 percent of Americans felt strongly about Dukakis, either favorably or unfavorably. Over 50 percent of Americans give Clinton and Trump eithera “strongly favorable” or “strongly unfavorable” rating, and most of that feeling is negative.

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The good news for both candidates is that we’re still six months from the election. Dukakis was clearly more strongly liked than George H.W. Bush in 1988 at this point in the campaign, and it was Bush who went on to win the election. George W. Bush, in 2000, was also more strongly liked than Al Gore at this point, and the 2000 election ended up being really close. That is, there is time for these impressions to change.
Of course, we’ve never had two nominees like this, about whom so many voters had already made up their minds — emphatically. It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out. Voters see this campaign, for now, as truly a choice between the lesser of two evils.
 

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I wonder how good he can get at the debates even if he tried to? Seems like you would really, really need to dedicate yourself to the subject matter and debating to be able to hold your own against someone as knowledgeable as Hillary for like 2 hours. No 3rd, 4th, 5th person in there to steal a few minutes.

Seems hard but he does have a built in excuse and the public so far has given him a pass for not really knowing anything. He looked awful the last debate with Cruz/Rubio, they really made him look stupid and it just didn't matter at all.
 

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Most of his supporters aren't looking for "yet another intellectual", they're looking for someone who gets chit done and isn't hobbled by party loyalties

They want policy action, not more intellectual bullshit and excuses
 

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Almost all of support is lowly educated pissed off white dudes that went from middle class to poor house.. And he gets press 24/7 due to his personality and brash things he says... He's got near zero hope in a general election..

In the end Its all one big ruse to get Hillary in the White House..
 

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On the other side is Bernie who's main support is young people of any race that think mega socialism and handouts will save them from their hopeless future.. With sky high educational costs and shitty job market..

divide and conquer..

both groups should be joining forces and rallying against the status quo that will win as usual..
 

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Humans set Canada on fire.. More fuel for global warming .. If you think we matter that is lol
 

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I'm that guy while watching the jungle book thinking to myself the lion is right lol
 

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Nevermind what I said positively about Apple and their cash stash never really investigated it much and forgot about them stashing a lot of it overseas to tax dodge..

valuation makes a lot more sense now.. Also they don't have the cash on hand to make a big splash/purchase without taking on more debt..

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Apple isn’t really sitting on $216 billion in cash

Apple has more than $215 billion reserved, but Chief Executive Tim Cook isn’t stuffing his couch cushions with cash.In its earnings report Tuesday, Apple Inc. again detailed a giant cash pile, with Chief Executive Tim Cook crowing of having “the mother of all balance sheets.”
The more than $215 billion Apple has in reserve is a constant fascination of bloggers and market watchers, who imagine the company going on an acquisition spree or buying back (even more) company stock.
So why is Apple AAPL, +0.14% planning to go further into debt, as Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri promised in Apple’s conference call Tuesday?
The problem with Apple’s “cash pile” is that most of it is not actually “cash” nor “on hand,” and it doesn’t take into account Apple’s debt. Apple has about $16.7 billion in cash and equivalents on its balance sheet. The majority of the assets included in its reserve is stashed in long-term marketable securities, meaning Apple plans to let those funds — roughly $177.7 billion — accrue interest for more than a year.
More importantly, almost all of Apple’s cash and securities are stashed overseas, proceeds from sales outside the United States that Apple will not bring back because it would then have to pay U.S. taxes. Maestri said Tuesday that $200 billion of Apple’s reserves — a whopping 93% — are overseas, andCook has expressly said Apple does not plan to sacrifice roughly 40% of that stash in order to bring the proceeds home to Cupertino, Calif.
While cash and securities pile up overseas, Apple is piling up debt in the United States. The company currently sits on about $53.2 billion in long-term debt obligations as well as $32.2 billion in “non-current liabilities,” after executing a series of bond sales including the largest in history for a nonfinancial U.S. business.
And those debts don’t include the cash Apple has promised its shareholders, which are mostly financed by its bond sales. After spending more than $8.8 billion on stock repurchases and dividends in the fourth quarter of 2015, Apple is a little more than three-quarters of the way through a $200 billion capital-return program that it believes will set a corporate record for stock buybacks. There is another $47 billion promised to shareholders.
The promise to investors is why Maestri said more debt is likely.
“We also plan to be very active in the U.S. and international debt markets in 2016 in order to fund our capital return activities,” the financial chief said in Tuesday’s conference call.
There is no doubt that Apple is raking in cash with its massive hardware sales, and has plenty of ammunition for potential acquisitions. But when you see blog posts that compare Apple’s “cash pile” to the gross domestic products of small nations or detail what other companies Apple could buy with it, remember that Apple is actually borrowing to finance the promises it has already made.

The cash being overseas isn't stopping them from making a big acquisition though. The debt would be cheap enough to finance against the $ they have overseas. They're just too risk averse to do anything.

A lot of the activists like Icahn just don't know shit about tech either. Advocating for huge buybacks so he can get a short-term gain out of it. So there has been more pressure on them to reward shareholders, once a tech company gets in that phase it is kinda over in some ways. MSFT only one that seems to really have been able to do both and obviously they went through a long-period of being more of a "rust belt" stagnant tech company.

More brilliance from Icahn, Trump's main man...

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/28/icah...nd-economics-and-its-killing-the-country.html
 

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TSLA 22% off that high 250s peak.

Then Musk comes out and says they're moving up the 2020 production goals by 2 years. Good luck with that.
 

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Yeah shorting tesla after the model 3 release was pretty much a no brainer.. They will struggle with production and such .. At same time think it's a good long term play assuming it dips to low 100s during the coming bear market

gold pushing higher today...
 

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