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Personally speaking, my money is on the whacky guy with the whacky hairdo

He has serious populist appeal, like another whacky guy with a whacky hairdo a long time ago
 

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My take on him:

The people who vote for him are desperately seeking a strong leader to protect America
He'll happily have a live-on-air cage fight with rivals or enemies
The intellectual classes view him with puzzlement or amusement
The ruling elite hate him and do everything they can to stop him

The votes just keep on coming, mainly from those who are desperate for a strong leader who will uphold American interests and has a no-nonsense attitude

The politics are different but the pattern looks almost the same
 

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My take on him:

The people who vote for him are desperately seeking a strong leader to protect America
He'll happily have a live-on-air cage fight with rivals or enemies
The intellectual classes view him with puzzlement or amusement
The ruling elite hate him and do everything they can to stop him

The votes just keep on coming, mainly from those who are desperate for a strong leader who will uphold American interests and has a no-nonsense attitude

The politics are different but the pattern looks almost the same

Just poor uneducated white trash looking for a scapegoat for the destruction of the middle class.. Political system gotten extremely good at divide and conquer shit... Left/right mentality..

those of us in the minority that see what's going on just shake our heads and have nobody worth supporting.. They all bad choices..

way politics is is now you have to be a power hungry sociopath of some sort to want to bother to even run..

Cruz a Harvard educated debate team extraordinaire.. He's a power hungry sociopath like them all not like it's any different really.. Left you got Hillary mega establishment and the minorities and blacks for whatever reason fall for it hook line and sinker..

just hilarious in black comedy way
 

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Trump has near zero chance in a general election.. Hes just having some fun I think and doesn't really want to win anyway.. Cruz probably ends up getting nomination now once Rubio drops out after Florida..

You really think he has zero chance? His support is damn solid and his style is perfectly suited for right now.....10 second soundbites, expert at using media to save $ and run a lean campaign, anti-establishment credentials when political extremism is so high, etc

He's a machine and the really the logical conclusion to the last 15-30 years. Or whenever you want to say many of the modern day problems started.
 

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I just can't see him winning a general election polling data shows Cruz/Rubio anybody but trump has better shot vs Hilary.. Can't win a general election solely on low income white trash anymore...

if Bloomberg runs then he's got a shot I guess... To split up vote more

i think cruz wins anyway so long as Rubio and kascich give up after Ohio and Florida..

Anyway im done wasting my breath on presidential politics just sickening what it's become...
 

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Bloomberg announced today that he isn't getting in and cmon he would've had no shot. Both the far right and far left don't like him because he is your typical middle of the road practical fiscal conservative/social lib.

As far as Trump, he isn't gonna just get low educated white trash once the GE comes around. A lot of Republicans who vote in every election will go him because they think it is better than Hillary, he'll do better with blacks with Obama off the ballot and his main demographic of working class people is the demo that you need to crush in the swing states like Ohio, FL, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada...

I think the guys not remotely qualified but I'm not going to dismiss his chances. The chance he is next POTUS is very real.
 

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Who knows

all I know is a guy running for president saying shit he is saying and has a legitimate shot downright scary.. Guess history just ends up repeating itself in the end.. Just looks a bit different with each repetitive cycle.. like eekster said earlier about wacky guys with whacky hairdos..

trump or or not global fascism on the rise ...
 

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Yeah, I dunno, the people are out of it man. They think they got a raw deal from the elites for many years and Trump is the conclusion to that. We always said if a true societal disruption where to take place, there is a good chance it is gonna be worse than the status quo. I'm not even sure how bad Trump will be, I'd assume he doesn't believe 1/2 the stuff he says but he knows it strikes a chord.

Last few decades with all the reality TV, overstimulation in electronics not being used to learn anything and all that shit just fucked everyone.

Maybe like 10-15% of the population could have a productive conversation about culture, history, current events and the economy. It's pretty bad.

Glad I live in an area and region where people are smarter than most, most of the country just seems retarded.
 

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When I spoke to some of the other real-life characters from The Big Short, I was surprised to hear that they thought that financial reform was pretty effective and that the system was much safer. Michael Lewis disagreed. In your opinion, did the crash result in any positive changes?


Unfortunately, not many that I can see. The biggest hope I had was that we would enter a new era of personal responsibility. Instead, we doubled down on blaming others, and this is long-term tragic. Too, the crisis, incredibly, made the biggest banks bigger. And it made the Federal Reserve, an unelected body, even more powerful and therefore more relevant. The major reform legislation, Dodd-Frank, was named after two guys bought and sold by special interests, and one of them should be shouldering a good amount of blame for the crisis. Banks were forced, by the government, to save some of the worst lenders in the housing bubble, then the government turned around and pilloried the banks for the crimes of the companies they were forced to acquire. The zero interest-rate policy broke the social contract for generations of hardworking Americans who saved for retirement, only to find their savings are not nearly enough. And the interest the Federal Reserve pays on the excess reserves of lending institutions broke the money multiplier and handcuffed lending to small and midsized enterprises, where the majority of job creation and upward mobility in wages occurs. Government policies and regulations in the postcrisis era have aided the hollowing-out of middle America far more than anything the private sector has done. These changes even expanded the wealth gap by making asset owners richer at the expense of renters. Maybe there are some positive changes in there, but it seems I fail to see beyond the absurdity.


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/12/big-short-genius-says-another-crisis-is-coming.html

There is the entire interview but that part of the Q & A was easily the best.
 

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Most of the smart people (many way smarter than me) I interact with are too busy or invested in other things (scientific stuff) to see through the political/economic bullshit they force fed.. Or they just don't care.. Yes all of them think trump scary and a joke but at the same time for most part they are comfortable with status quo left/right crap and way things are going and don't seem to forsee or care about the dangerous path we are on.. So long as they making their comfortable living and their 401k doing ok they could care less..
 

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Helicopter experiments starting to move into motion amongst the liberal crowds.. just hand out checks to everybody that'll fix the problem!!! Liberal economic policy/bleeding heart stuff cracks me up so simple minded see a problem so take a simplistic approach to solving it .. without seeing all the blatant negative repercussions that will arise due to the policy..

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Have you seen Big Short tiz? It's entertaining enough but classic hollywood movie, doesn't blame the government for the bank and fannie/freddie mandates, doesn't talk about Greenspan cutting rates after 9/11, just the later stage stuff like bad lending and the MBS/CDS stuff.
 

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Yeah, I dunno, the people are out of it man. They think they got a raw deal from the elites for many years and Trump is the conclusion to that. We always said if a true societal disruption where to take place, there is a good chance it is gonna be worse than the status quo. I'm not even sure how bad Trump will be, I'd assume he doesn't believe 1/2 the stuff he says but he knows it strikes a chord.

Last few decades with all the reality TV, overstimulation in electronics not being used to learn anything and all that shit just fucked everyone.

Maybe like 10-15% of the population could have a productive conversation about culture, history, current events and the economy. It's pretty bad.

Glad I live in an area and region where people are smarter than most, most of the country just seems retarded.


Only thing that keeps me from being scared is trumps #1 goal is for people to love him.
And he has a way of not doing what he says in a way that won't piss off his people and make them feel betrayed.

He is great at emphasizing his strong points and minimizing his weak points.

When one of his many campaign promises don't come true he will be very good at blaming not being able to do something on the establishment and he will make his people believe it.

That will make them love him even more and hate the establishment even more.

I think he is going to be awesome at blaming all his non fulfilled promises on the bad guys and his people will believe him.

Then trump will be able to throw out the occasional bone to his supporters that don't really mean much but trump will know how to make it a bigger deal then it really is.

He will be very good at making his people feel important and listened to and at the end of the day that's all his people really ever wanted in the first place.

Trump wants to be popular more then he wants to be good. And that's going to be his single focus if he is elected
 

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Maybe guys like Trump are a natural part of the human equation in a leader/hierarchical orientated society as the ruling elite becomes more distant from the masses

He's the best candidate for giving the current ruling elite a huge boot up the ass
He's the best candidate for a real change in government policies, whether for better or worse, which means all sorts of people will seriously consider voting for him

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
 

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Yeah that is a pretty good idea. Trump gets in and they just start raising rates at every fed meeting.

In theory blaming him for rate rises would work, but it would only be a very temporary victory
They did it in the UK in the 1980s and the effect is brutal, but once your economy comes out the other side your country is a lot stronger because all the weak companies and poor management etc are dead

If I was a brilliant mad leader with a wacky hairdo I would welcome interest rate rises because what doesn't kill you makes you stronger and that makes a stronger America
Citizens! We've got to sweep away all those liberal pussy financial policies that are strangling America! yada yada yada...
 

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Citizens! We've got to sweep away all those liberal pussy financial policies that are strangling America! yada yada yada...

We should just start handing out checks to everybody like Canada and some European nations are thinking about 

Pure liberal economic madness that that does nothing but help the elite keep control and more of it..

got gold?
 

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Only thing that keeps me from being scared is trumps #1 goal is for people to love him.
And he has a way of not doing what he says in a way that won't piss off his people and make them feel betrayed.

He is great at emphasizing his strong points and minimizing his weak points.

When one of his many campaign promises don't come true he will be very good at blaming not being able to do something on the establishment and he will make his people believe it.

That will make them love him even more and hate the establishment even more.

I think he is going to be awesome at blaming all his non fulfilled promises on the bad guys and his people will believe him.

Then trump will be able to throw out the occasional bone to his supporters that don't really mean much but trump will know how to make it a bigger deal then it really is.

He will be very good at making his people feel important and listened to and at the end of the day that's all his people really ever wanted in the first place.

Trump wants to be popular more then he wants to be good. And that's going to be his single focus if he is elected

stuff like this is a slippery slope if you know anything about history.. Dumb masses that wanna get the boogiemen that are much less threat to them than getting in their car to go to work everyday don't understand this ... so doing whatever to be popular isn't a good thing either..


WASHINGTON –Torture laws must be expanded to defeat ISIS – which is laughing at the US for playing by rules, Donald Trump said Sunday.
“I think we are weak. We cannot beat ISIS. We should beat ISIS very quickly. General Patton would have had ISIS down in about three days,” Trump told “Face the Nation.” “We have to beat the savages.”
 

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Only thing that keeps me from being scared is trumps #1 goal is for people to love him.
And he has a way of not doing what he says in a way that won't piss off his people and make them feel betrayed.

He is great at emphasizing his strong points and minimizing his weak points.

When one of his many campaign promises don't come true he will be very good at blaming not being able to do something on the establishment and he will make his people believe it.

That will make them love him even more and hate the establishment even more.

I think he is going to be awesome at blaming all his non fulfilled promises on the bad guys and his people will believe him.

Then trump will be able to throw out the occasional bone to his supporters that don't really mean much but trump will know how to make it a bigger deal then it really is.

He will be very good at making his people feel important and listened to and at the end of the day that's all his people really ever wanted in the first place.

Trump wants to be popular more then he wants to be good. And that's going to be his single focus if he is elected

Yeah I dunno what his goals really are. I think anyone who pretends they do is kidding themselves.

It is possible that just not being beholden to special interests would be a huge advantage in making positive change, but in his case I really doubt it. Putin gave him a compliment and he gushed over it, doubt he is gonna be able to crackdown that seriously when people kissing his ass.

Maybe he is just saying stuff he knows people want to hear and he will govern far more practically, hire the best people but really put the pressure and demand on them to get things done. It's tough to say.

I think the guy is out of his mind and hope he fades, but he certainly has more upside than the empty suits we've accustomed to.
 

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Have you seen Big Short tiz? It's entertaining enough but classic hollywood movie, doesn't blame the government for the bank and fannie/freddie mandates, doesn't talk about Greenspan cutting rates after 9/11, just the later stage stuff like bad lending and the MBS/CDS stuff.

Yeah I enjoyed it but like you say they gloss over things and don't pin blame where they should as was obviously gonna be the outcome.. Media controlled by the status quo protectors..
 

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