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2 days of US Big Green and ASIA of to a Rocking Start UP acorss the board almost 3%..........Maybe another Green day Thursday BIG Green???

Woof, Tiz etc...what do you think??

Where has Woof been??

asia just following the US lead for now and yen hasn't really budged since close so giving no indication to me of tomorrow

no prediction from me on the up/down front

and of course due to this us futures markets are mixed/flat

http://money.cnn.com/data/afterhours/
 

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tiz or DAWOOF-

Your opinion about the following would be greatly appreciated:

tiz-

Right now, the only thing I own is QQQQ. When I think the market is going to drop, I sell it all off and buy QID, then I hold it until I think the market is going to go back up then I sell it all off and buy QQQQ again. And so on... I've been doing this for several weeks and right now I'm the only guy in my cubicle neighborhood whose 401k returns are still in double digits. What are the barriers that would prevent me from doing this continuously?
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
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should see more red on the day before the day is out i think

yen went the direction the markets don't like since close of yesterday
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
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i like how on monday after close was seeing the R word thrown around quite a bit

now i'm seeing alot of buy now? stuff

gotta love volitile bear markets and the MSM that goes along with it
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
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or maybe not yen selling started again and markets followed....
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
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well dell putting a damper on the party

down 9% in AH on earnings/outlook

S&P kissed its 50 WMA today lets see if it now says goodbye

etfc gets a 2.55 billion from citadel (a hedge fund), CEO gone
 

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back up to 14k we go, woo hoo!!

When the sub prime markets get resolved the market is going way past 14k - and Tiznow will slowly fade out - the dude has no clue the market is not far from its all time high - yet, the Empire is almost lost.
 

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THE TREASURY'S MISSING MINUTES MYSTERY
By JOHN CRUDELE


November 29, 2007 -- AFTER a year and a half of stalling, the US Treasury finally complied with The Post's requests for information about The President's Working Group on Financial Markets - by delivering 177 pages of crap.
In essence, the Treasury's Freedom of Information officials said that the Working Group - affectionately nicknamed the Plunge Protection Team - doesn't keep records of its meetings.

How interesting and convenient!

Included in the 177 pages that the Treasury said responded to our request on the actions of The President's Working Group were 53 pages on which something was redacted - blacked out so that the discussion was unreadable.

Many of those 53 pages contained no words at all - just a big black blob.

Starting in June of 2006 The Post asked for an accounting of the actions of The President's Working Group, which was formed under President Reagan. The Group seems to have the ill-defined task of keeping an eye on the financial markets. We also asked for e-mails related to our request through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).

The Working Group operates out of the Treasury Department and includes the heads of the various exchanges in the US, as well as top-ranking government officials.

Hank Paulson, the Treasury Secretary, and Ben Bernanke, the head of the Federal Reserve, are the two most prominent members.

Back in August, Paulson said in a television interview that "we've reenergized The President's Working Group on Financial Markets."

The Wall Street Journal last year said that Paulson, upon becoming Treasury Secretary, was insisting that the Working Group meet every six weeks.

Whatever the schedule of meetings, one of those meetings occurred on Aug. 17 - the day the Federal Reserve surprised the financial markets with a cut in its discount rate.

According to records that someone else got from Bernanke's office through a FOIA request, there was an 11 a.m. conference call on Aug. 17 of the "PWG" - the President's Working Group.

Fed Governor Kevin Warsh and Patrick Parkinson, a Treasury staffer, took part in that call, according to Bernanke's phone log.

The day before - Aug. 16 - Bernanke and Paulson had lunch, but it isn't clear whether this was just two guys having a meal or if it, too, was related to The President's Working Group.

Hours after that lunch, word got around on Wall Street that the Fed was about to make a move and the stock market staged a tremendous rally.

The next day those rumors of Fed action proved accurate.

So what's the Working Group up to?

I suspect the group is ready to come to the rescue of the financial markets - even equities - in the case of a meltdown.

And as I've said in the past, that would be a completely acceptable task as long as it remains a limited power that is used infrequently.


But who decides when a rescue is needed?

And if no records are kept, who is held accountable if The Working Group's power is abused?

George Stephanopoulos, a former top aide to President Clinton, tried to calm fears right after the terrorist attack in 2001 by explaining that The President's Working Group was at the ready to prop up the stock market.

I, too, had a similar conversation with a Fed official in Sept. 2001.

But the chance of abus ing this presi dential man date - even for personal gain - is great whenever an orga nization operates in secrecy.

And that's exactly how The President's Working Group is operating.

Included in the pile of manure we received from Treasury this week is an internal e-mail dated April 9, 2007 that Heidilynne Schultheiss, director of the Treasury's Office of Financial Market Policy, sent to six people.

The subject "Minutes of PWG Meetings?"

"Hi All, We received a FOIA request asking for minutes of meetings of the President's Working Group on Financial Markets (PWG). As far as we know, minutes are not (and never have been) kept . . . A search of our records turned up nothing," Schultheiss wrote.

That same day someone at Treasury named Mary Kertz e-mailed a bunch of folks "re: meeting notes from last PWG meeting on Financial Markets."

The e-mail said: "Thanks. Just spoke with Norman - he said the Fed Chairman had said he believed minutes were recorded for these meetings. Strange."

I don't know who Norman is. But I agree that having a powerful organization like this meet in secret is very, very strange.

And extremely dangerous.
 

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ASIAN markets Green again

Train keeps plugging along as the asian markets are up another 1% across the board.......Looks like the US markets will follow suit on Friday and be Green again.....All I can say is I am surprised by the monster week the us markets have been able to sustain.....If they pull another green on Friday......I will really question my thoughts of WTF is going on.....Everytime I think a collapse is in order the bulls pull away??
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
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yep yen falling some more

have fun bulls

:party:
 

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Originally Posted by Death Eats a Cracker


Right now, the only thing I own is QQQQ. When I think the market is going to drop, I sell it all off and buy QID, then I hold it until I think the market is going to go back up then I sell it all off and buy QQQQ again. And so on... I've been doing this for several weeks and right now I'm the only guy in my cubicle neighborhood whose 401k returns are still in double digits. What are the barriers that would prevent me from doing this continuously?

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If you are buying qid when you think market will fall, than you should short qid when you think market will rise.

I will be around for a daytrade or two today.
 

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:toast:

Betting against the the Fed is bad news.

Their actions may not be wise but it they are what they are.

Dont bet with your heart.

SOHU, WDC (+35% ytd), and one lil pup I've held since March.... HL
(+42%) :aktion033
 

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Well folks US markets open up big out of the gate posting 1% gains in the first 10 mins......Possible 250 UP day again??
 

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woof.....hope your feeling better......GL with Bidu today......What is up with oil and gold being "beat down" INFLATION here we come....Do "these" people really want another rate cut just to buy another couple of months and then the shit will really hit the fan??
 

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Yes buying a few months is exactly what they want.The cash (worldwide) they are infusing and and the steps the Fed will be taking will provide the soft landing most normal folks are striving for,but will take 6-8 months to impact the overall economy and pull the markets out this quandry theyre in.

Treasury close to announcing subprime aid plan
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Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson discussed the plan at a meeting with top banking regulators and industry representatives on Thursday and is expected to announce details of the proposal as early as Wednesday, sources familiar with the meeting told Reuters.
As envisioned, the plan would freeze mortgage rates for stressed borrowers who took out loans with low teaser rates that are due to reset to a much higher level.
During the five-year U.S. housing boom that ended in 2005, millions of so-called subprime borrowers with poor credit took out loans with low initial rates. Many of these loans are entering default after they reset to higher rates.
Financial markets have been spooked in recent months as defaults have risen and many investors are struggling to get a handle on the value of these sinking loans.
In an interview with BusinessWeek magazine, Paulson said he hoped to have a final industry consensus on a loan modification plan before the end of the year.
"We'll have broad agreement on criteria that will make it easier to modify mortgages in the volumes we need," Paulson was quoted as saying in the magazine's December 10 issue.

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