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Rodgers success the past 2 seasons is more of an indictment on McCarthy. 100%. Watch it play out.
 

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Maybe so, I always say coaching is volatile.

Don't think there is a huge difference between a lot of these guys besides the very best and the very worst. And short-term really anything can happen as far as running good and running bad. So I'm never gonna be too adamant about a coach like with a player.

But I give him credit for turning GB into a perennial contender. You win 80% of your games over 3 years, you're probably not an idiot.
 

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Don't think there is a huge difference between a lot of these guys besides the very best and the very worst.
I agree with that. Splitting hairs probably with the middle tiers.

Longevity and winning with marginal talent that plays out over the long term is probably what's sets the best apart.

It was a different game back then... But Parcells and Gibbs won with shit QB's. It really was about X's and O's back then. Much more than today.
 

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And great defenses. Obviously. Different game.

Run. Stop the run. That worked up until about 20 years ago.

Also correlates with free agency. If you built an elite offense or defense back then, you got to keep it. Well once that happens, who knows how superior you are to the other coaches Xs and Os wise? 10 years are gonna need to go by until we see you with a different team. Like Chuck Knoll in the 80's. So someone like Gibbs, as long as he leaves at the right time, never seen with makeup off (until his weakass comeback in 2004)

Also, game was still just in its infancy back then from a schematic perspective. The edge between someone that knew what they were doing vs someone that didn't was just a lot bigger. Nowadays every team is owned by a billionaire with a massive scouting/analytics operation, tougher to get a leg up tactically speaking.

It was actually Gibbs that dealt Champ Bailey for Portis, awful trade that doomed him from the jump.
 

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Also correlates with free agency. If you built an elite offense or defense back then, you got to keep it. Well once that happens, who knows how superior you are to the other coaches Xs and Os wise? 10 years are gonna need to go by until we see you with a different team. Like Chuck Knoll in the 80's. So someone like Gibbs, as long as he leaves at the right time, never seen with makeup off (until his weakass comeback in 2004)

Also, game was still just in its infancy back then from a schematic perspective. The edge between someone that knew what they were doing vs someone that didn't was just a lot bigger. Nowadays every team is owned by a billionaire with a massive scouting/analytics operation, tougher to get a leg up tactically speaking.

It was actually Gibbs that dealt Champ Bailey for Portis, awful trade that doomed him from the jump.
This guy actually has watched football. Has probably watched Kyler Murray play too. At some point before last December.
 

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All I can do is say thanks for the great 16 years and hopefully the saints can get someone to keep them relevant
Payton and Brees have probably done more for the City of New Orleans than anyone in the last 50 years. If you look big picture.
 

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Maybe Tomlin. Because he's done it longer.

But Shanny?

LOL
Shanny owns McVay.

overall Record is skewed because of what he inherited at the beginning and Niners have been an injury mess for a lot of his tenure

crazy that in this 6-0 run for the Niners over the Rams, they have been underdogs FIVE times. Insane

Now they’re getting 3.5 points in basically a home game (it will be two-thirds SF fans tomorrow)
 

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overall Record is skewed
McVay's record is skewed too. He had Jarrod effing Goff as QB until this year. Guy went to Cal, and didn't even know the sun rised in the east. That's what he had to work with..
 

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Payton and Brees have probably done more for the City of New Orleans than anyone in the last 50 years. If you look big picture.
100% correct
 

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His first year without a HOF QB went a hell of a lot better then BB first year without a HOF QB.

NE stunk last year
Now that's true. I think coaching matters a lot less in the NFL than people think it does. But, it matters a lot in the playoffs.
 

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Harbaugh is obviously up there, Ravens perennial contender.
I omitted John Harbaugh. He's 137-88 with a Super Bowl, 4 AFC North division championships, 3 AFC Championship games. Clearly he's in the 2nd tier.
 

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Maybe Tomlin. Because he's done it longer.

But Shanny?

LOL
If San Fran wins today and wins the SB, you have to say he's a better coach than McVay.

Those are big "ifs" but Shanahan is in his 2nd Conf Championship in 3 years and if they beat the Rams, his resume is better.
 

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If San Fran wins today and wins the SB, you have to say he's a better coach than McVay.
If that happens, I'll move him above McVay.

Styles make fights. And for whatever reason, SF has been a tough matchup for LA. I won't completely discount the coaching, but head to head matchups aren't the end all be all to determining who a better coach is.

I'm sure we could find plenty of examples of lesser coaches being successful over superior ones. Kingsbury has done fairly well against Shanny. Does anyone on this earth think he's in the same stratosphere as a coach?
 

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