School vouchers?

[tiznow]

Tiz, you make the typical mistake when looking at this.

What level of intelligence do you think homeschool parents usually have? What level of intelligence do you expect a homeschool kid to have?

How many dumb parents attempt to homeschool their kids?

Is it any surprise that home school kids outperform public school kids?

I mean this makes perfect sense. The chickens are making the eggs.

you give nature too much credit IMO

regardless you don't need to homeschool to raise an intelligent kid

i feel i'm fairly intelligent

i wasn't homeschooled....public schooling

but my mom took an active roll with my education.....sitting down with me when i was having trouble with a subject or what not, helping me with homework etc.........positively reinforced my education and actively supported me

regardless of who's doing the teaching whether its parent, public schooling, or private schooling....if the parent doesn't take an active role in supporting a kids education chances are they gonna end up getting a crappy one

by the way before the days of computer used to enjoy going to the public library with my mom as a young lad to sift through the stock charts and such at the public library

now you have a better understanding where tizgloom and doom comes from....

parents set the course for where their kids end up....not schools

 

[ScottL]

"but my mom took an active roLL with my education" ointer:

 

[VaultedTreehouse]

Tiznow, I teach for a living.

It is obvious to me that you don't need to homeschool a kid to have an intelligent and successful kid.

But every day nature shows me just how powerful it is...If you were in the classroom you would surely agree....So any debate on homeschool kids needs to start with homeschool parents. That just makes common sense.

 

[tiznow]

Tiznow, I teach for a living.

It is obvious to me that you don't need to homeschool a kid to have an intelligent and successful kid.

But every day nature shows me just how powerful it is...If you were in the classroom you would surely agree....So any debate on homeschool kids needs to start with homeschool parents. That just makes common sense.

well nature usually involves many other secondary problems that aren't related to the genes themselves not

but obviously blood plays a roLE

happy scott

yeah english always my worst subject, plus ranting on a forum i could care less....

also spell check is bad....might help speed things up.....but makes your spelling ability decrease so badly

even like calculators i can do integrals in my sleep but my ability to do basic math is crap at this point

:nohead:

 

[tiznow]

i'm sure adopted kids with poor genes as far as intelligence

do just fine if they are around intelligent parents

i think its more about the kids being in the midst of intelligent parents than the genes themselves

i give much more credit to nuture than nature but just my opinion

 

[VaultedTreehouse]

i'm sure adopted kids with poor genes as far as smart

do just fine if they are around intelligent parents

i think its more about the parents being intelligent than the genes themselves

That is simply CRAZY.

 

[JoeContrarian]

VT, you're a teacher?

If we're not going to close down government schools altogether, what do you think about bringing back corporal punishment and lifting the ban on school prayer and voluntary Bible readings (Engle v. Vitale -- 1963) restoring discipline and a healthy respect for authority for our kids?

 

[tiznow]

what is intelligence anyway VT

being able to do well on an SAT test?

being able to regurgitate memorized stuff back onto a piece of paper?

standardized testing is the biggest load of crap

 

[eek.]

Vouchers make about as much sense as invading Iraq, but that's basically why conservatives are in favour of them.
:grandmais

 

[JoeContrarian]

standardized testing is the biggest load of crap

:lolBIG:

Yep, fearing their own bad report cards, teachers cheat and help students with the answers.

Typical big government solution to a problem. Fix broken government...by adding another layer of government.

Thank you, "No Teacher Left Behind!"

:smoking:

 

[VaultedTreehouse]

Joe where have you been? Everybody here who is a regular knows this.

Corporal punishment--not in favor of....realize it is still legal in a number of states and simply isn't used....we debate the Supreme Court case of Ingraham v. Wright which said that essentially its a states issue and it isn't cruel and unusual.

Prayer is tough. Kids want to pray before a football game as a team, no problem. Prayer over the loudspeaker or during announcements, no.

We should teach religion as a subject and give kids an understanding of all the religions as well as atheism.

 

[VaultedTreehouse]

what is intelligence anyway VT

being able to do well on an SAT test?

being able to regurgitate memorized stuff back onto a piece of paper?

standardized testing is the biggest load of crap

You have to measure it some way....And I don't need a test score in front of me to grade a paper or a grade a quiz or talk to a student or guage their level of interest in anything remotely involving brain power....Give me a month with them and I can tell you who will work for who and who won't work at all.....FYI I work hard regardless and try to get the most out of each of them, the most being different for each of them.

 

[ScottL]

Nice try Tiz. It wasn't a spelling error and you know it. It was just ironic that you boasted about the role your mom played in your education while spelling it like the roll upon which butter is spread. Sorry, but I had to steal the ball and take the easy duece :tongue2:

 

[JoeContrarian]

It figures tizdoom's mom did all his homework for him...the guy is a such a mamma's boy (also still not fully recovered bleeding-heart liberal).

:nohead:

 

[tiznow]

Nice try Tiz. It wasn't a spelling error and you know it. It was just ironic that you boasted about the role your mom played in your education while spelling it like the roll upon which butter is spread. Sorry, but I had to steal the ball and take the easy duece :tongue2:

lets call it a ranting error

i never proofread my shit...just spill my brain in a fast manner and sometimes my fingers and brain don't match up correctly.....

i make them all the time on this board....but you are right that was quite funny

obviously i know when i'm supposed to use role vs. roll

 

[JoeContrarian]

You have to measure it some way....

Hold on a second. Who has to measure what?

I'm sure you're a great teacher, VT, it's the self-interested entrenched bureaucracies that are the problem, not the individual teacher.

It's the classic what-works-on-the-micro-doesn't-on-the-macro principle at play here. That's tizdoom's point.

More parental involvement and oversight is the answer, which is hard if government keeps insisting it play the role of father, mother, teacher, pastor etc.

You may disagree with me, VT, but I don't think children can develop a solid moral compass without Judeo-Christian values.

"Morality lessons" won't work.

 

[tiznow]

It figures tizdoom's mom did all his homework for him...the guy is a such a mamma's boy (also still not fully recovered bleeding-heart liberal).

:nohead:

well if loving your mom and appreciate how she brought me up is a mamma's boy than sign me up

as for doing homework part

I've TA'd for chemical engineering on several occasions

some of the problems are completely ludicrous to understand where to start....

A. the TA either tells them how to go about the problem and the learn something from it

or

B. they don't do it and don't learn shit

its all about understanding the process of learning and how to reach the answer

the answers themselves are unimportant

 

[JoeContrarian]

I was just ribbing you, tizdoom. You're a cool cat in my book.

That said, mothers only play a critical role in the early years of a child's life. From about the age of 10 and onward, a good father figure is imperative.

The female cultivates a child's emotions; the male develops the child's character and instills discipline ("father knows best").

This is nature's "social safety net."

Our culture and our schools have become too feminized -- far left -- creating a society of broken hurting souls who clamor for government assistance and handouts.

The 1960s ushered in a new era -- The Age of Stupidity -- featuring new retarded religious beliefs such as "a woman needs a man like a man needs a bicycle." Essentially, feeling-centric value systems, as opposed to broad, rigid moral standards.

Kids want discipline and need a society and family with a proper structure. Once the natural social order is broken down, society will begin to decline.

Right now, the United States military is America's most effective, efficient and popular institution. Why? Because it is one of the very few that embody traditional American values -- one of the few remaining institutions that haven't been hijacked by the PC far loony left.

 

[ScottL]

Yes Tizdoom we are just ribbing you. Don't get roiled 'cause you got rolled. :lolBIG:

 

[barman]

MARK L asks: VT, you're a teacher?

If we're not going to close down government schools altogether, what do you think about bringing back corporal punishment and lifting the ban on school prayer and voluntary Bible readings (Engle v. Vitale -- 1963) restoring discipline and a healthy respect for authority for our kids?

SH: IOW VT, what do you think about endorsing adult violence against minors and taking a double shit on the US Constitution?