<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> furthermore it looks like this D rating is based on what MIGHT happen to oklahoma based on their business model,rather than how they are currently treating their customers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That's correct. For players who do not mind the risk of playing into a shop that is either clueless on profit margins or an outright ponzi scam, then this is a good book. Most players appreciate danger signs BEFORE the book up & disappears.
With a theoretical hold of 0.7% you couldn’t operate from a tent and still turn a profit.
The D rating is generous.
With a theoretical hold of 0.7% you couldn’t operate from a tent and still turn a profit.
The D rating is generous.
This is going to be quick and short because everyone who has contacted me regarding our previous bonus plan has been told the exact same thing: Our bonus plan was a SHORT TERM OFFER, it was never intended to be our standard model for the bonus structure. If you would all take a few minutes to visit our website you will clearly see that the bonus offers has changed drastically. We no longer offer 20% signup bonus on every deposit, only select methods, Additionally the 20% reloads all the time also is no longer offered. 10% reloads, and 15% reloads on Thursday is what we currently offer. PLay through requrments on certain bonus offers have changed as have our daily promotions which included reduced juice, altered parlay odds ect... which were also quoted by some as risky.
Please take a minute to see for yourselves. It has been this way since the beginning of the month of May.
I don’t really know what other comments to make other than I have no idea why the reviews and evaluations about us have never mentioned that the bonus policy was short term offer. I have told every single one of them, Roberto and the SBR included of this fact and no one has quoted me on that while their memory on other quotes seems to be intact. The implication that we planned on having huge bonuses for all of time was made by others. I have never condoned it as a viable LONG TERM business plan and I have vocalized this to numerous persons.
Folks the promo lasted one month, lets all keep this in perspective.
As far as the schill issue, we do not, have not, will not schill. We only ask that every person who gets paid by us or is happy with our service to let all of you folks know about it, I am sure the General will vouch for this fact as he is on the email list of those we feel it is important to inform about how we are treating our players.
Positive feedback is just as important to you players as is negative feedback in our opinion.
You all know where to find us when you are ready to join a straight up book who makes every effort to keep our promises and serve our clients the best way we know how.
Michael Montanero OSB. Payouts in 60 minutes guaranteed or its free.
[This message was edited by wilheim on May 08, 2004 at 05:29 PM.]
Please take a minute to see for yourselves. It has been this way since the beginning of the month of May.
I don’t really know what other comments to make other than I have no idea why the reviews and evaluations about us have never mentioned that the bonus policy was short term offer. I have told every single one of them, Roberto and the SBR included of this fact and no one has quoted me on that while their memory on other quotes seems to be intact. The implication that we planned on having huge bonuses for all of time was made by others. I have never condoned it as a viable LONG TERM business plan and I have vocalized this to numerous persons.
Folks the promo lasted one month, lets all keep this in perspective.
As far as the schill issue, we do not, have not, will not schill. We only ask that every person who gets paid by us or is happy with our service to let all of you folks know about it, I am sure the General will vouch for this fact as he is on the email list of those we feel it is important to inform about how we are treating our players.
Positive feedback is just as important to you players as is negative feedback in our opinion.
You all know where to find us when you are ready to join a straight up book who makes every effort to keep our promises and serve our clients the best way we know how.
Michael Montanero OSB. Payouts in 60 minutes guaranteed or its free.
[This message was edited by wilheim on May 08, 2004 at 05:29 PM.]
Walk,
breakdown of bonuses and turnover rates is one thing but it is only relative when a player goes on a winning streak and when a book has balanced action from players who have similar bonuses.
Most players will lose before they get to their roll over, they don't have the money management skills to stay around etc.
Its not the amount of bonus you give to a player its the type of player you give it to which counts.
I think it's infair to single out OSB like this,look at stiff books like bringmeluck,theonlinebet,skytower,thelasxvegasofficialbet, unitedwager all scams and why it took over 2 weeks for hollywood to pay the major his withdrawal over $30000 (taken from his site ).
breakdown of bonuses and turnover rates is one thing but it is only relative when a player goes on a winning streak and when a book has balanced action from players who have similar bonuses.
Most players will lose before they get to their roll over, they don't have the money management skills to stay around etc.
Its not the amount of bonus you give to a player its the type of player you give it to which counts.
I think it's infair to single out OSB like this,look at stiff books like bringmeluck,theonlinebet,skytower,thelasxvegasofficialbet, unitedwager all scams and why it took over 2 weeks for hollywood to pay the major his withdrawal over $30000 (taken from his site ).
Guys,
I have explained the foundations of our arguments. Thoroughly. If you guys feel confident playing at OSB and their service fits your needs, then more power to you guys.
I recommended for others to take a closer look at the Gamblers Avenue model, before they went down and Royal had to bail the players out. Consider this thread an effort to discuss the issues in an inteligent manner.
Peteep;
If you and superstar choose to attack the posting handle (which I find to be hillarious), instead of taking into consideration the facts presented... then more power to you, my man. Enjoy and good luck.
Mr.Montanaro;
Great to see you stop by. It takes courage to address these issues in a public forum, now would you please proceed to address the other issues?
Scooter1;
I'm currently working with sportsbookreview.com. Our model is based on the factual analysis of the different business models in this industry; it's far from perfect, but we're commited to improvement.
I used to work as the marketing manager for one of the top operations in the industry and had to deal with the numbers of promos and turnovers on a daily basis. Thanks for your intelligent comments, I appreciate rational discussions.
If you read miamiman's post, it'll be clear where I used to work...
miamiman;
I thought you liked to play at BetFair. Now, if you do play at BeTFair, you must agree with me that the numbers do not lie. This industry is based on the daily grinding of the odds, our approach should be 100% mathematical.
Many insiders complaint that SBR does not explain ratings or up/downgrades. This thread is a fine example of why SBR considers the discussions of this nature to be futile.
You can rest asssured of one thing, the thinking heads of this industry heard me loud and clear. I made my point, I offered an open discussion and senseless attacks is what I got. It's rather funny. I'll bookmark this thread for future references.
On the Hollywood issue, I have posted the info I possess on that regard. If you wish, you can shoot me an e-mail and I'll forward you my conversation with Major on MSN. That, I believe, will clear your doubts: (w_gatten@yahoo.com)
I'll go on the record saying there NEVER was a slow pay complaint from the book you mentioned. As a matter of fact, by the time Russ "yelled" at me, the money had been paid, by the person responsible of the debt. That person was not Hollywood.
I have explained the foundations of our arguments. Thoroughly. If you guys feel confident playing at OSB and their service fits your needs, then more power to you guys.
I recommended for others to take a closer look at the Gamblers Avenue model, before they went down and Royal had to bail the players out. Consider this thread an effort to discuss the issues in an inteligent manner.
Peteep;
If you and superstar choose to attack the posting handle (which I find to be hillarious), instead of taking into consideration the facts presented... then more power to you, my man. Enjoy and good luck.
Mr.Montanaro;
Great to see you stop by. It takes courage to address these issues in a public forum, now would you please proceed to address the other issues?
Scooter1;
I'm currently working with sportsbookreview.com. Our model is based on the factual analysis of the different business models in this industry; it's far from perfect, but we're commited to improvement.
I used to work as the marketing manager for one of the top operations in the industry and had to deal with the numbers of promos and turnovers on a daily basis. Thanks for your intelligent comments, I appreciate rational discussions.
If you read miamiman's post, it'll be clear where I used to work...
miamiman;
I thought you liked to play at BetFair. Now, if you do play at BeTFair, you must agree with me that the numbers do not lie. This industry is based on the daily grinding of the odds, our approach should be 100% mathematical.
Many insiders complaint that SBR does not explain ratings or up/downgrades. This thread is a fine example of why SBR considers the discussions of this nature to be futile.
You can rest asssured of one thing, the thinking heads of this industry heard me loud and clear. I made my point, I offered an open discussion and senseless attacks is what I got. It's rather funny. I'll bookmark this thread for future references.
On the Hollywood issue, I have posted the info I possess on that regard. If you wish, you can shoot me an e-mail and I'll forward you my conversation with Major on MSN. That, I believe, will clear your doubts: (w_gatten@yahoo.com)
I'll go on the record saying there NEVER was a slow pay complaint from the book you mentioned. As a matter of fact, by the time Russ "yelled" at me, the money had been paid, by the person responsible of the debt. That person was not Hollywood.
Will, you are flat out lying. You were the final straw for me. It was two weeks. I called and told Fernando about the f uck around I was getting and he took care of it the next day. The day I called you.
It took more than 14 days to get 30 dimes. I am being kind by saying that I was told to call back in 5 minutes at least 20 times over that period.
You then posted it was credit.
It was not credit it was post-up money.
Call anyone you want to confirm that. Rick will confirm it to you whenever you want.
You been hangin with scum a bit too long now Will and it is wearing off.
Also, I do not appreciate any MSN messages that I write being given to anyone without my permission. Not a very good quality Will.
It took more than 14 days to get 30 dimes. I am being kind by saying that I was told to call back in 5 minutes at least 20 times over that period.
You then posted it was credit.
It was not credit it was post-up money.
Call anyone you want to confirm that. Rick will confirm it to you whenever you want.
You been hangin with scum a bit too long now Will and it is wearing off.
Also, I do not appreciate any MSN messages that I write being given to anyone without my permission. Not a very good quality Will.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Also, I do not appreciate any MSN messages that I write being given to anyone without my permission. Not a very good quality Will. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Major,
It is sort of like you posting confidential discussion from our boardroom on your site. I agree, it is not appreciated, pleasant, or in very good quality.
An apology would suffice.
Major,
It is sort of like you posting confidential discussion from our boardroom on your site. I agree, it is not appreciated, pleasant, or in very good quality.
An apology would suffice.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Walk of Life:
_Peteep;_
If you and superstar choose to attack the posting handle (which I find to be hillarious), instead of taking into consideration the facts presented... then more power to you, my man. Enjoy and good luck.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No need to be a jackass chief. If you read my post, and even superstar's it's not an attack. It's a simple fact. We played, we got payed, and there are MANY worse books out there you can focus on. I could name a number of other books offering generous bonuses that aren't taking heat from you guys. We have all seen the math before, it's nothing new. And there is more than just numbers to look at.
_Peteep;_
If you and superstar choose to attack the posting handle (which I find to be hillarious), instead of taking into consideration the facts presented... then more power to you, my man. Enjoy and good luck.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No need to be a jackass chief. If you read my post, and even superstar's it's not an attack. It's a simple fact. We played, we got payed, and there are MANY worse books out there you can focus on. I could name a number of other books offering generous bonuses that aren't taking heat from you guys. We have all seen the math before, it's nothing new. And there is more than just numbers to look at.
Hilarious. Major you lost sight of the difference between a lie and the truth a long time ago. You twisted your Hollywood sheet story exactly 3 days after you took them down as an advertiser. And that was after you'd left them up for free trying to get them to re-up. Pathetic.
Hey, are you feeling OK? You've gone almost a week without a fresh SBR lie. Is it true you registered SportsbookReviewed.Com? LOL, good luck… I can just see the top 5 – Royal, MajorBetting, EasyBets, Lay107, GamblersAve. I can’t hardly wait
General you shouldn't take that, try that yourself at MW and see what happens.
Hey, are you feeling OK? You've gone almost a week without a fresh SBR lie. Is it true you registered SportsbookReviewed.Com? LOL, good luck… I can just see the top 5 – Royal, MajorBetting, EasyBets, Lay107, GamblersAve. I can’t hardly wait
General you shouldn't take that, try that yourself at MW and see what happens.
walk - was not getting at you personally, was just trying to have a level playing field.
Books get raked over the coals for little or nothing these days and there are alot worse books out there.
Some of the smaller books cannot work with precentages , they just don't have the volume, instead they hope to get results.
Books get raked over the coals for little or nothing these days and there are alot worse books out there.
Some of the smaller books cannot work with precentages , they just don't have the volume, instead they hope to get results.
Hollywood was never contacted in any way shape or form to renew at MajorWager. Not once, not by anyone.
If you know and trust rick from allworld. Please give him a call or send him a note. I asked him what I should do about getting paid as the post up was sent to allword in the first place. He is well aware of the "slow pay"
As is Will.
I do however understand the SBR gang having to all show up for this one. After all it is a top rated book
If you know and trust rick from allworld. Please give him a call or send him a note. I asked him what I should do about getting paid as the post up was sent to allword in the first place. He is well aware of the "slow pay"
As is Will.
I do however understand the SBR gang having to all show up for this one. After all it is a top rated book
With all due respect,
I had received and verified Russ situation before it went public. Diverting the discussion elsewhere is not a service to players.
However I also understand the new SBR's politics. No wonder Bill Dozer has denied to susitain this past thursday's efforts to get people paid from Betpanam.
John, I really believe we should all concentrate on rendering a service, and maybe come together when needed, instead of fighting over issues that are detrimental to credibility of watchdog sites.
Amazingly enough we all agree about OSB. Maybe its a good sign.
I had received and verified Russ situation before it went public. Diverting the discussion elsewhere is not a service to players.
However I also understand the new SBR's politics. No wonder Bill Dozer has denied to susitain this past thursday's efforts to get people paid from Betpanam.
John, I really believe we should all concentrate on rendering a service, and maybe come together when needed, instead of fighting over issues that are detrimental to credibility of watchdog sites.
Amazingly enough we all agree about OSB. Maybe its a good sign.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I'm currently working with sportsbookreview.com. Our model is based on the factual analysis of the different business models in this industry; it's far from perfect, but we're commited to improvement.
I used to work as the marketing manager for one of the top operations in the industry and had to deal with the numbers of promos and turnovers on a daily basis. Thanks for your intelligent comments; I appreciate rational discussions <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Couple of questions,
why you are starting this topic here in therx
and its not even mention on the sportsbookreview.com, Who you work for the THERX or SBR?? Don’t you have an obligation to those readers???
what kind of place you are trying to run??? Be more profesional would you Walk...
I used to work as the marketing manager for one of the top operations in the industry and had to deal with the numbers of promos and turnovers on a daily basis. Thanks for your intelligent comments; I appreciate rational discussions <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Couple of questions,
why you are starting this topic here in therx
and its not even mention on the sportsbookreview.com, Who you work for the THERX or SBR?? Don’t you have an obligation to those readers???
what kind of place you are trying to run??? Be more profesional would you Walk...
walk of life...
i have already addressed issues 1-3, which you acknowledged so I will skip to # 4.
Issue #4 as i told you on the telephone the day that you called me is that i was hired in September of last year to launch the POST up and ONLINE division of the company. My job does not involve credit shop activities therefore i simply do not know the who’s what’s and where’s of the issues regarding the credit shop. I am not going to lie about facts that i do not have, That is irresponsible. I was given the tools I need for the ONLINE POSTUP division and that is where my attention and responsibility will remain. This was clearly told to you on the telephone why you have chosen to omit this info I have no idea.
Issue#5: Again you were told on the telephone that I was out of the office all week. Remember how you called me every day for a week and you were repeatedly told I was out for the week? Our conversation occurred on a late Saturday afternoon, I apologize for not having the answer for you exactly when YOU wanted it but the fact remains that when one is out of the office for a whole week there is a lot of info on ones plate, I have much more important things to address than which SEO keywords are on the site at one particular time. You and I talked after me getting back to my desk for about 2 hours after being gone for 6 days!!!. Again you were told all of this during my conversation with you and again why you are omitting these facts only you have the answer to.
Walk of Life thanks for bringing these issues to the table, I AM ALWAYS HAPPY TO DISCUSS ANY ISSUES ANYONE MAY HAVE REGARDING OSB. It’s great that everyone is offering feedback and opinions as that is exactly what this forum is supposed to do.
When you have the truth and the facts to back yourself and your company policies up, that’s all the courage one needs.
Michael. M.
i have already addressed issues 1-3, which you acknowledged so I will skip to # 4.
Issue #4 as i told you on the telephone the day that you called me is that i was hired in September of last year to launch the POST up and ONLINE division of the company. My job does not involve credit shop activities therefore i simply do not know the who’s what’s and where’s of the issues regarding the credit shop. I am not going to lie about facts that i do not have, That is irresponsible. I was given the tools I need for the ONLINE POSTUP division and that is where my attention and responsibility will remain. This was clearly told to you on the telephone why you have chosen to omit this info I have no idea.
Issue#5: Again you were told on the telephone that I was out of the office all week. Remember how you called me every day for a week and you were repeatedly told I was out for the week? Our conversation occurred on a late Saturday afternoon, I apologize for not having the answer for you exactly when YOU wanted it but the fact remains that when one is out of the office for a whole week there is a lot of info on ones plate, I have much more important things to address than which SEO keywords are on the site at one particular time. You and I talked after me getting back to my desk for about 2 hours after being gone for 6 days!!!. Again you were told all of this during my conversation with you and again why you are omitting these facts only you have the answer to.
Walk of Life thanks for bringing these issues to the table, I AM ALWAYS HAPPY TO DISCUSS ANY ISSUES ANYONE MAY HAVE REGARDING OSB. It’s great that everyone is offering feedback and opinions as that is exactly what this forum is supposed to do.
When you have the truth and the facts to back yourself and your company policies up, that’s all the courage one needs.
Michael. M.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Walk of Life:
Superstar:
I don't see anything there.
A post by _mizike_. Who's mizike?
mizike - NEWBIE - Registered: August 05, 2003
How is this related to the issue I presented, anyway?
Let's get an OSB representative, discuss these issues with hard facts. That would add credibility to the operation.
Quoting posts by newbies WON'T add ANY credibility. Anybodu can build a shill campaign and then quote one of his own ghosts. I'm not sayin that's what you're doing, but you might as well be doing it. How would the readers of this forum know the difference?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think this certainly has relevancy in this discussion for one simple fact. To me it looks like your review did not include any play history by you or anyone else. You love to quote all over the place, I am sure you have at least one guy you know who has opened an account there, why not quote him/her. Did you contact him to see how he/she likes it? Did you take any time to play yourself?? I agree that one should never blindly accept others assessment or criteria for book evaluations, one should use reviewers that they trust. From what i can see you used one conversation with the Oklahoma rep. to make a sweeping evaluation of the book as a whole. Is that fair, honest opinion?
Besides superstar makes a good point, why are you brining this topic to the RX when you admittedly work for the sportsbookreview.
You don’t like schilling well this looks like a schill job IMO. Starting a topic about a little known book in a site that you don’t even work for!!!!!! a negative thread at that. What has Oklahoma done to you? what’s your motivation behind starting this topic other than your philanthropic desires to warn the world about a book that you consider risky. In fact I looked all over the sportsbook review for your rating on oklahoma and I don’t see it. Am I looking in the wrong place, did you make up the rating, or did you remove it for some other reason. If Oklahoma is so dangerous that you have to go to other forums to warn people they I would certainly think you would have warning banners plastered all over the sportsbookreview, or did you quit there between Saturday and today.
One last ?..... If oklahoma is schilling as you claim then does not that then mean that you are a part of it? after all YOU started the thread on oklahoma, hmmmm....
To me this is far fishier than anything okalhoma has done.
As far as targeting forums as you claim, I don’t see any advertising by oklahoma, I don’t see any threads started by oklahoma, I don’t see oklahoma jumping in to every thread topic like "anyone know of a good sport book " which appear weekly here at the rx. How many newbie’s are out there recommending oklahoma, as you claimed newbie’s are part of schill campaigns and oklahoma schills in your opinion. Have I recommended oklahama or any book for that matter, no. Scooter1 is a newbie so he is schilling for you then right because he agrees with your assessment of Oklahoma.
So who did you schill for in the beginning, lets not forget you were a newbie also, or did you start with 3000+ posts??
Where is your evidence that oklahoma targets forums, other than defending themselves when needed, or is this an arbitrary gut feeling??
get real walk of life, you clearly have a bone to pick with oklahoma so lets have it.
Your logic is flawed, there are holes all over your arguments, your profit and hold % are random #'s, no math attached to them, what formula did you use? You even diverged from the topic that you started by discussing some Hollywood issue.
Am I the only one seeing this!!!!
Superstar:
I don't see anything there.
A post by _mizike_. Who's mizike?
mizike - NEWBIE - Registered: August 05, 2003
How is this related to the issue I presented, anyway?
Let's get an OSB representative, discuss these issues with hard facts. That would add credibility to the operation.
Quoting posts by newbies WON'T add ANY credibility. Anybodu can build a shill campaign and then quote one of his own ghosts. I'm not sayin that's what you're doing, but you might as well be doing it. How would the readers of this forum know the difference?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think this certainly has relevancy in this discussion for one simple fact. To me it looks like your review did not include any play history by you or anyone else. You love to quote all over the place, I am sure you have at least one guy you know who has opened an account there, why not quote him/her. Did you contact him to see how he/she likes it? Did you take any time to play yourself?? I agree that one should never blindly accept others assessment or criteria for book evaluations, one should use reviewers that they trust. From what i can see you used one conversation with the Oklahoma rep. to make a sweeping evaluation of the book as a whole. Is that fair, honest opinion?
Besides superstar makes a good point, why are you brining this topic to the RX when you admittedly work for the sportsbookreview.
You don’t like schilling well this looks like a schill job IMO. Starting a topic about a little known book in a site that you don’t even work for!!!!!! a negative thread at that. What has Oklahoma done to you? what’s your motivation behind starting this topic other than your philanthropic desires to warn the world about a book that you consider risky. In fact I looked all over the sportsbook review for your rating on oklahoma and I don’t see it. Am I looking in the wrong place, did you make up the rating, or did you remove it for some other reason. If Oklahoma is so dangerous that you have to go to other forums to warn people they I would certainly think you would have warning banners plastered all over the sportsbookreview, or did you quit there between Saturday and today.
One last ?..... If oklahoma is schilling as you claim then does not that then mean that you are a part of it? after all YOU started the thread on oklahoma, hmmmm....
To me this is far fishier than anything okalhoma has done.
As far as targeting forums as you claim, I don’t see any advertising by oklahoma, I don’t see any threads started by oklahoma, I don’t see oklahoma jumping in to every thread topic like "anyone know of a good sport book " which appear weekly here at the rx. How many newbie’s are out there recommending oklahoma, as you claimed newbie’s are part of schill campaigns and oklahoma schills in your opinion. Have I recommended oklahama or any book for that matter, no. Scooter1 is a newbie so he is schilling for you then right because he agrees with your assessment of Oklahoma.
So who did you schill for in the beginning, lets not forget you were a newbie also, or did you start with 3000+ posts??
Where is your evidence that oklahoma targets forums, other than defending themselves when needed, or is this an arbitrary gut feeling??
get real walk of life, you clearly have a bone to pick with oklahoma so lets have it.
Your logic is flawed, there are holes all over your arguments, your profit and hold % are random #'s, no math attached to them, what formula did you use? You even diverged from the topic that you started by discussing some Hollywood issue.
Am I the only one seeing this!!!!
Lets think about this for a second, true OKLAHOMA had generous bonus offers when they launched...but MANY MANY companies of all types have ridiculous Bonus offers to aquire customrs when they first start up...
ANYBODY EVER HEARD OF GRAND OPENING SPECIALS?
this does not mean that they have a poor business model, simply they are spending the money needed to get customers when you are new. To Bash on this reason is ignorant & anyone who does so has alterior motives.
This book does not advertise 10% back on all losses as mentioned above but rather 10% back on NHL losses...big difference.
Bonus advertised on the site is down to 20%...standard at many shops....
I have no CLUE wether they are honest or not or have the best intentions...
Personally I decided to give em a shot...risk/reward in mind I said what the heck...I have yet to withdraw but I can tell you that the Customer Service is Excellent...almost the best I have seen....& Management is very responsive to questions....Take it for what it is worth...I will continue to report as the situation warrents....
ANYBODY EVER HEARD OF GRAND OPENING SPECIALS?
this does not mean that they have a poor business model, simply they are spending the money needed to get customers when you are new. To Bash on this reason is ignorant & anyone who does so has alterior motives.
This book does not advertise 10% back on all losses as mentioned above but rather 10% back on NHL losses...big difference.
Bonus advertised on the site is down to 20%...standard at many shops....
I have no CLUE wether they are honest or not or have the best intentions...
Personally I decided to give em a shot...risk/reward in mind I said what the heck...I have yet to withdraw but I can tell you that the Customer Service is Excellent...almost the best I have seen....& Management is very responsive to questions....Take it for what it is worth...I will continue to report as the situation warrents....
they have paid me several times with no problems
