Each to their own.
I stand by what I said and have followed sports services since their infancy in their 70's.
How about telling us your source of this information.
It seems to me that if what you said was true, it could not have been kept secret for over 25 years and someone else besides
you would have made a similar allegation!!
Let’s say I tell you my source, how does it matter to you? Are you going to stop calling comp lines, buying his picks and the picks of his multiple made up handicapper accounts on Covers? No. Nothing will change for you. So, who cares. I sure don’t. I don’t pay for picks. I handicap my own games. I bet my own stuff.
Again it is your word against mine, and the point is that until/if/when you can prove it, it is hearsay and gossip, and if it could
be proven one way or the other, I would make a substantial wager that the Winner Line is not controlled by Ben Burns!!
ps In case you don't know it, your response is evasive and ZERO relevance to do with the question asked.
You can have the last word if you like.
ps If and when you have some concrete evidence of what you claim, let me know!!
Why should anyone be surprised!!
Imo there is not a service in the country who can win OVER TIME/IN THE LONG TERM WHICH GIVES OUT MULTIPLE
PLAYS EVERY TIME.
Of course they can win over a short term in this same way that if you flip a coin say twenty times and it comes up 16-4 heads.
But over a period of weeks, months and years, imo there is not a service out there that can show a profit and even less so when the vig
and cost of service is considered!!
Hmm-Considering Burns has been capping for over 20 years, and up until now, there has not been one insinuation I know of including
the entire internet that he created Winner Line/Will Rogers, etc., all I know is must be the best-kept secret in history.
Let's say also that I find it interesting that apparently, you are the only one who knows about it.
That's it for me until/if/when you produce some public documentation of what you claim!!!
I invited you to PM me to tell you the source. You DIDN’T! So YOU really don't want to know! It will ruin YOUR vision of the world. So I could now care less whether you believe anything. You just want to stay in your little world bragging about knowing the industry ever since you were 10 years old calling comp lines from the 70’s like Rocky’s, Headquarter Sports, Tommy Porsche, Texas Sports Wire, Donn Wagner, Tony Salinas, Stu Feiner, et al. No one cares. Good luck to you.
Sorry, pal-get your facts straight next time!!
I was well into my 30's in the 70's when I started calling comp. lines when they began-to be clear, I am 77 years old
and have been gambling for over 50 years!!
If you have read my posts over the many years I have been at this(which you obviously have not), I have criticized lots of services
along with other folks about some services which have a harem of cappers, some of who imo don't even exist like the Swami.
Even though it is an entirely different issue, I have been offering critiques of Phil Steele/NC for well over 20 years and the way
in which they conduct business.
And kindly don't make a fool out of yourself by insinuating that I don't know the story about the likes of Stu Feiner.
The bottom line is that for some unknown reason you won't give the source of your information regarding the relationship
between Ben Burns nor comment on why no one besides you to the best of my knowledge has come forward over the
20 years that both Ben Burns and Winner Line have been in existence to state the shady relationship you claim.
Again until proven otherwise with a link to your allegations, imo what you claim is unsupported gossip, nothing more and
nothing less!!
Sir, I told you to pm me, and you didn’t. I don’t have time to waste with you anymore. Let me make this perfectly clear to you: I have no problem with Ben Burns using fake aliases like Will Rogers, Lana Lane, Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, whatever to sell picks and make his millions off of compulsive gamblers who do not know any better. God Bless America that he is savvy enough to market himself in this way and take care of his family. I don’t buy picks, and I don’t tail touts. What he does doesn’t bother me one bit. In fact, I think it’s kind of funny. Wouldn’t expect anything less in the wide world of toutville. Good for Ben.
What is the big deal for not posting the source/link of your information publicly-are you scared that powers that be would go after
for revealing something that has somehow been kept a secret from the entire gambling and handicapping world for over 20 years
other than of course to a few privileged folks like yourself.
What you claim here reminds me of the claim of sbd in the iVU Thread in the Rubber Room that there has been a cure for all kinds
of cancer for over 70 years but has somehow been kept secret by all of the scientists and physicians in order to protect
Big Pharma!! lol
To be blunt and to the point, now about commenting and explaining why and how the Burns/Winner Line/Will Rogers matter
has been kept a secret from other sports services, Las Vegas, sports gamblers and the sports gambling industry for over 20 years until
you decided to spill the beans!!!
If you don't want to waste your time and respond to me anymore, then don't!!
By not doing, it will prove my point!!
Good luck sir. I stated a fact. You argued with me for proof. I asked you to pm me and I would have told you who I am and how I know this information. But now, I will never tell you who I am privately. Maybe in your next 77 years you learn more respect and put your cynicism aside. You might be more successful in your approach.
You claim a "fact" but have no evidence to provide publicly.
I wonder how that would go over in a court of law!!
I don't pm people/strangers for rather obvious reasons, some of which could be dangerous!!
I stand by what I say, most notably that I don't believe you or anyone who makes a claim about a sports service, actually two in this
case, both of whom have been in business for over 20 years, when not one other person either in Vegas, others sports services,
clients of either one of the services, sportsbooks or anyone else in the sports gambling industry has said anything
along the same lines!!
If you don't want to publicly disclose the source of your information, how about at least providing or posting a link to someone
who agrees with you.
And you can beg the question and poison the well all you want to-it doesn't change a thing about until proven otherwise
is nothing more than unsupported gossip and hearsay.
What is really ironic here is that I went back and read most of your posts over the last few years, and guess what-we agree
on a lot of things!!
For example, Anyone who has followed my posts knows that I have rightfully been bashing Phil Steele/NC for over 20 years for the overall
shady and deceptive manner in which they conduct business including their spin, half-truths, selective time frames and lies
by omission in which they present their records, as well as their laughable original prices for their Late Phones which
they "discount" for people who purchase PowerSweep to try to give them the impression that they are getting a bargain.
As is the case with you I have also exposed other services for what they are and documented their lies with their record-keeping,
SCRIPTED big plays to meet marketing needs and so much more.
In short and not to brag, but as a consumer advocate all of my life, I have spent a lot of time doing what I do as a public service.
That said, I have not seen any evidence for hanky-panky between Winner line and Ben Burns, and will retain my stance based
on what I have stated.
One thing I definitely disagree with you about is what you said about Jack Winningham a while back.
"Funny watching gambling addicts begging for dart throws from made up names, made up records, and made up websites. Britney DeLuca, Jack Winningham. Suckers are born every minute."
You need to be a bit clear about the negativity about Jack Winningham.
I watch his video every day and for me is brutally honest about his record keeping, is very selective in his plays(some days
no plays) and offers gambling advice for younger gamblers second to none.
Best of all he doesn't charge anything although he will accept "donations." lol
For me if all sports services conducted business in the manner he does, well to be blunt, let's just say that the sports
handicapping industry as a whole wold have a lot more respect and credibility than is currently the case!!
I know that Jack is ot to original topic but I would love to know what you don't care for about him.
on a lot of things!!
For example, Anyone who has followed my posts knows that I have rightfully been bashing Phil Steele/NC for over 20 years for the overall
shady and deceptive manner in which they conduct business including their spin, half-truths, selective time frames and lies
by omission in which they present their records, as well as their laughable original prices for their Late Phones which
they "discount" for people who purchase PowerSweep to try to give them the impression that they are getting a bargain.
As is the case with you I have also exposed other services for what they are and documented their lies with their record-keeping,
SCRIPTED big plays to meet marketing needs and so much more.
In short and not to brag, but as a consumer advocate all of my life, I have spent a lot of time doing what I do as a public service.
That said, I have not seen any evidence for hanky-panky between Winner line and Ben Burns, and will retain my stance based
on what I have stated.
One thing I definitely disagree with you about is what you said about Jack Winningham a while back.
"Funny watching gambling addicts begging for dart throws from made up names, made up records, and made up websites. Britney DeLuca, Jack Winningham. Suckers are born every minute."
You need to be a bit clear about the negativity about Jack Winningham.
I watch his video every day and for me is brutally honest about his record keeping, is very selective in his plays(some days
no plays) and offers gambling advice for younger gamblers second to none.
Best of all he doesn't charge anything although he will accept "donations." lol
For me if all sports services conducted business in the manner he does, well to be blunt, let's just say that the sports
handicapping industry as a whole wold have a lot more respect and credibility than is currently the case!!
I know that Jack is ot to original topic but I would love to know what you don't care for about him.
