Sarah Palin is going to make many lefties around here look silly.

[The Guesser]

Guesser: As you can see I do my homework. I do not simply lurk on this forum waiting to dispense name calling and attempting to kill the messenger like Vitard. There may not be a right or a wrong when it comes to fact checking but there is a right and a left when it comes to political issues. No I do not drink kool aid, that would be Vit. The lack of research he does in proportion to the amount of time he spends lurking speaks for itself. I read, I research, I form my own opinions. I am also not an Obama hater but I do hate the way he has divided this country and that is reflected on this forum. Vit refutes anything anti-Obama and he classifies anything anti-Obama as anything that even slightly hints that Obama has screwed up or is not doing his job as well as it could be done. Vit is always on the defense because Obama has not been successful in regards to the economy, unemployment, the deficit, or over spending. He blames the parts who has the House instead and anyone who tries to defend them. Just trying to point out that Vit tries to increase the separation and I am merely trying to separate myself from him as much as possible in terms of contributing to the forum without mindless name calling and lack of real contribution. You seem to be doing the same. BOL

No doubt you do your homework, but IMO, you go in with a POV, and then you find and believe sites that agrees with your POV above all else, and then try to paint respected, objective sites as non objective because they don't have that POV. And then you assign equivalency between a site like snopes and a site like breitbart, when there is none. If you want to compare breirbart to the Daily Kos, you'd have a case for equivilency.
As for Vit, he does not refute anything anti-Obama. He has, like I have, called Obama a mediocre President. He does, as I do, as do some others, defend Obama when the attack has no basis, or is so off the wall it's laughable.
As we can see from the bumped threads before Obama, this Country was divided, and always will be divided. The vitriol against Obama is more stark, the hatred more visceral, and we can only speculate why that is?

 

[russ1945]

No doubt you do your homework, but IMO, you go in with a POV, and then you find and believe sites that agrees with your POV above all else, and then try to paint respected, objective sites as non objective because they don't have that POV. And then you assign equivalency between a site like snopes and a site like breitbart, when there is none. If you want to compare breirbart to the Daily Kos, you'd have a case for equivilency.
As for Vit, he does not refute anything anti-Obama. He has, like I have, called Obama a mediocre President. He does, as I do, as do some others, defend Obama when the attack has no basis, or is so off the wall it's laughable.
As we can see from the bumped threads before Obama, this Country was divided, and always will be divided. The vitriol against Obama is more stark, the hatred more visceral, and we can only speculate why that is?

You bring up POV and that is the gist of what I said. You have a POV, I have a POV, and so does Snopes. You are the one calling them respected and objective because you share their POV. I watched the movie "Lincoln" last night. Maybe we are not as divided as we think at least as compared to the way it was then. If nothing else that movie reminded me that there always were and always will be party lines. It all starts with a POV but in the end there is a common thread that defines what an American really is all about. It is more than simply co-existing.

I cannot blame Obama for all the division, most of it was already there. Most of it was way beyond just being on the surface also. What scares me the most though is the direction we are heading, or better yet, not heading. At least Lincoln got the war finished and the slaves freed both of which only caused multiple more problems. The problem is we will always have problems. Todays problems point directly back at every elected official who has served in DC in the past many decades. They are responsible for getting us where we are at. Stockton just filed for bankruptcy, is the state of California next.

My point on Cash for Clunkers was too little too late and it was something done more on a symbolic level. We are at a crossroads and even though you say this country will always be divided we need to come together, as they did in the Lincoln movie, and find more common ground. Again, I do not hate Obama. Many hated Bush. I simply hate the direction we are headed, we are simply drifting.

 

[russ1945]

Guesser: By the way I like the fact that you posted an opposing article. That is what it is all about. Let people draw their own conclusions, POV or not POV. lol

 

[russ1945]

This quote kind of sums it up:

Nelson Mandela
One of the things I learnt when I was negotiating was that until I changed myself I could not change others.

My comment: I have changed a lot in the past twenty years. Believe it or not so will most everyone. That is true of many things including political views. I was once a Democrat believe it or not. Obama espoused "Change" but nothing of significance has changed for the better. As a fiscal conservative my main concern is balancing the budget and fixing the economy. I am up to here in politics. But it is what it is. All that really matters in the end is fixing the economy, lowering unemployment, reducing the deficit, and getting spending under control. Those factors affect everyone despite POV. Those are the crucial factors not things like gun control.

Bottom line is that Mandela mentions "negotiating", how much of that is going on in DC at this time. That requires leadership and that goes from the top down. Obama ran on change but he has not changed himself and neither has the way business is conducted in DC.