I agree with this. Its Machiavellian, and its not pretty nor PC but the truth of the matter is, if we want to live this lifestyle and these company want to continue to make loads of profits then this was a war that had to be waged and it had everything to do with preserving our way of life. Im not saying its the right way to go about it, or that war is justified but it is what it is. The blame must be spread around and we the people deserve some of this blame, because we have allowed ourselves to be consumption whores.
I agree with this. Its Machiavellian, and its not pretty nor PC but the truth of the matter is, if we want to live this lifestyle and these company want to continue to make loads of profits then this was a war that had to be waged and it had everything to do with preserving our way of life. Im not saying its the right way to go about it, or that war is justified but it is what it is. The blame must be spread around and we the people deserve some of this blame, because we have allowed ourselves to be consumption whores.
Punter is still just spinning lies. Facts are facts.
The wording of UNSC 1441 was IMMEDIATE compliance.
After 3 months and a final ultimatum Hans Blix said Sadaam still wasn't in full compliance or cooperating fully.
Bush made the correct decision.
Three months time is enough to show immediacy of actions or intent.
The wording of UNSC 1441 was IMMEDIATE compliance.
After 3 months and a final ultimatum Hans Blix said Sadaam still wasn't in full compliance or cooperating fully.
Bush made the correct decision.
Three months time is enough to show immediacy of actions or intent.
1. Read the 1st 2 more carefully.
2. Yes he was scared. With good reason but they were being allowed to inspect.
3. Just as I said they were allowed to go anywhere.
After #3 Dubya panicked. If they kept searching he might lose the reason to invade, so he told the UN that he was going to start bombing whether they agreed or not so pull the inspectors out.
Very plain I or any prudent person would say. Dubya started an unnecessary war.
Sick jackal internet-geek frucks. Hundreds of thousands dead, a country destroyed , US military weakened, US world influence weakened, US citizen trust destroyed, and you have the Rovian draft dodging proud patriot revisionist balls to ask for 'links'? Have you no shame? Everybody reading this thread knows for a fact that the Bush Administration lied us into an oily Blackwater corporate profiteers disaster and yet you continue with your relentless spew to rewrite history. This isn't a second life 'LINK' game. An illiterate silver spoon war criminal president invaded and destroyed a sovereign nation and there are no links that can rewrite or help heal this harsh reality.
We all know the bottomline, underlying, back room reason for this war (and Iraq 1) was and always is oil. And you know what? Looks like this war didn't do jackshit as far as gaining control of it either. The owners already saw how they can toy with the US economy by raising it for a few months sending the united states into a panic. Now everyones just taking a sigh of relief that they can fill up for 20-30 dollars again.
So again bringing this thread back home; Bush & Co? Just shut the fuck up and get out.
Sweeping generalizations and biased opinion are fun on the internet.
You don't need no stinkin links or facts...:lolBIG:
Facts are facts.
If you want a piece of this argument...you gotta back it up.
Apparently you can't...thats all your post accomplished.
I'm sick and tired of lefty cheap shots , innuendo and lies presented as facts.
Your post is pure bull shit.
Thats correct...and I pointed out your bullshit once again.
I have the facts...you have spin...and you don't even have the balls to back it up.
You always just say something...and then when called on it...your answer is always...well you can look it up.
hno: :lolBIG:I'm onto your shit pal..keep talkin...I'll keep showing you the facts.
and all this following 11 years of lies, deceit and distortion.
bottom line, he never fully cooperated, and there were still obstacles
If the Punters of this world had their way, Bush would have withdrawn US forces, and saddam would still be playing cat and mouse, still trying to acquire WMD (maybe have them AGAIN), still financing terrorism, still providing a safe haven for terrorists, still providing medical care to terrorists, and Al-Q would be intact and the world would be a better place.
I disagree with him on all counts.
Amanpour asked Blix to respond to a statement by Ahmed Chalabi, the Iraqi defector who along with affiliated sources provided much of the faulty WMD intelligence. "We were heroes in error. Saddam is gone, the Americans are in Baghdad, and that's all that matters," she quoted Chalabi as having said. Blix called it a "cynical" statement, yet admitted that he was troubled by the idea that had he been allowed to continue his inspections, Saddam would probably have remained in power.
The Bush Adm. keep the people safe. Sadaam had the WMD but hid them good so no one could find them. Personally, I think he put them under a bucket or a big oak tree or something close to those hiding places. Sadaam made the Countries and the people think he had more than he did and this be his downfall. This is what I think about this here issue. Hope it helps!
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hno:Saddam was a raging asshole we did everything that we could to get someone there to overthrow him. none would and now we know why, country is almost unmanageable.
That said he had control and filled a power balance in that region so dealing with him while frustrating was less expensive both in human life and monetarily.
There was never any connection between him and the terrorist it was only brought up by the Bushies to try and get more reason to invade.
The WMD's were a dream that was concocted as another reason. The right wing is big on fear tactics.
So why did we do it? I think that it was pressure from the Military/Industrial complex and some super egos.
$4500 GI's dead. I hope Bush and company all rot in hell.
That said he had control and filled a power balance in that region so dealing with him while frustrating was less expensive both in human life and monetarily.
There was never any connection between him and the terrorist it was only brought up by the Bushies to try and get more reason to invade.
The WMD's were a dream that was concocted as another reason. The right wing is big on fear tactics.
So why did we do it? I think that it was pressure from the Military/Industrial complex and some super egos.
$4500 GI's dead. I hope Bush and company all rot in hell.
Punter - this is the first post of yours I've ever agreed with.(God help me)
If you watch the PBS documentary on Youtube called Bush's War, the things you say are confirmed. Mostly, that Cheney and Rumsfeld had a hardon for Iraq with Rice and Powell taking a more moderate approach. The CIA looked at "yellow cake" from Africa and found it baseless, while the DOD forced it into Powell's UN statement.
The main thing I took from the PBS show was that the CIA was using real, logical rules of evidence and actually had the Taliban out of Afghanistan in 21 days, while the Pentagon relied on hearsay and speculation.
:lolBIG: poor poor Punter can't fight the facts.
Now you are back to railing on about Bush...poor baby. Bush didn't do what you wanted...but he had every right to do it...and the facts just piss you off.
Just leave...this is too pathetic to watch.
It's pretty damn funny watching delusional lefties argue about this...when members of the Obama administration even back me up.
Too damn funny.
By the way...what does "punt" rhyme with? :howdy:
