Robin Williams committed suicide at 63

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Think you're a great guy Illini.

However the point is that I believe suicide to be a selfish act. In large part because of how it affects everyone in your life that cares about you/relies on you/etc... It is a cowards way out because you do not have the courage to face your issues head on. There are millions of people who live through horrific tragedies, illnesses, depression, abuse, and the worst things imaginable. Many of those people have the courage to fight through it and come out stronger on the other end. IMHO suicide should never be an option.

if you had a brain, you'd know that not everyone's DNA or mental structure is equal. it's easy to speak on the side of debate that has never dealt with any significant trauma or issue in life. depression is a disease, the mind controls you. it doesn't matter if people have come out on top of depression or addiction without significantly damaging their life, because there are people that cannot cope with it and you have zero awareness from an empathetical standpoint about what goes on in their lives. how can you possibly call someone selfish when you're on the outside? if anyone has any right at all to call him selfish, it's those who were close to him and even they are wrong. they would be the selfish ones for asking someone to carry on with a life that is not gratifying or fulfilling to them, but rather complete misery. life is about the pursuit of happiness, if you have the complete opposite and you mix a mental disease state with that then who are you or i to judge them if they don't want to be here? this isn't about selfishness.
 
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if you had a brain, you'd know that not everyone's DNA or mental structure is equal. it's easy to speak on the side of debate that has never dealt with any significant trauma or issue in life. depression is a disease, the mind controls you. it doesn't matter if people have come out on top of depression or addiction without significantly damaging their life, because there are people that cannot cope with it and you have zero awareness from an empathetical standpoint about what goes on in their lives. how can you possibly call someone selfish when you're on the outside? if anyone has any right at all to call him selfish, it's those who were close to him and even they are wrong. they would be the selfish ones for asking someone to carry on with a life that is not gratifying or fulfilling to them, but rather complete misery. life is about the pursuit of happiness, if you have the complete opposite and you mix a mental disease state with that then who are you or i to judge them if they don't want to be here? this isn't about selfishness.

Best post in the thread. JC is hiding in a hole now.
 

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Surprised to hear about the knife nearby and cuts to the wrist when he ended up eventually hanging himself. You know, with it being so easy to kill yourself and all. Right AKPHIDIOT?

We agreed not to talk to each other, now you insult me. You want my attention? And yes it's much easier to kill yourself than fight the demons. That's why people kill themselves. Because it's the cowards way out.
 
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Based on your religious background I would have expected you to be on the side that Suicide is wrong.

It's a guaranteed trip to hell in the bible right?

I do think suicide is morally wrong, and I happen to believe that in some cases it is a selfish act. The Bible doesn't say that it is a guaranteed trip to hell, it doesn't
address the issue directly.

I just think your rambling mouth gets you into trouble at times Justin...
 

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Zit, he was also Jewish. He rejected the Lord Jesus H Christ. Surely that guarantees a trip to hell?
 

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A pocket knife and some wounds sound fishy

But I knew a few who took this way out I don't consider them cowards as they fought as long and hard as they could hopefully they are in a better place
 

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I enjoyed patch Adams and awakenings

Respect for the mentioning of Awakenings. IMO, his best films were Awakenings, World According to Garp, and The Survivors (w/Walter Matthau). My recollection is that Awakenings was perhaps his first film that had no comedic element and cemented his place as a dramatic actor.
 

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I feel badly for his family. I feel bad for any family that has to deal with this.

One year ago (on August 16th) I was 15 feet away from a man who commuted suicide. I kept thinking about this mans family (who I will never meet), and what affect this must possibly have on them....does his Mom or possible Children think it's thier fault?....could they have done anything?....how did they miss the signs that in hindsight were all so very clear now?.....

Sorry to interject that into this discussion, but I wonder those same things now about this poor mans family....unfortunately, it is magnified due to his celebrity.....so, so sad.
 

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I do think suicide is morally wrong, and I happen to believe that in some cases it is a selfish act. The Bible doesn't say that it is a guaranteed trip to hell, it doesn't
address the issue directly.

I just think your rambling mouth gets you into trouble at times Justin...


I am not too familiar with the actual text of the bible.

But I was raised catholic and tought in sunday school that suicide is a mortal sin that has its own place in hell
 

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We agreed not to talk to each other, now you insult me. You want my attention? And yes it's much easier to kill yourself than fight the demons. That's why people kill themselves. Because it's the cowards way out.

You're right. Sorry about the insult. My bad. I just think we as humans have a will to live so living is actually the easiest because we have the survival instinct in us. To go against what we are designed to do (which is self preservation) and actually follow through with killing one self is much harder. I guess we just disagree.
 

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I guess the 8k troops that take their lives every single year in this country are headed to hell

Also you spelled taught wrong, in a way that probably wasn't a typo
 

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You're right. Sorry about the insult. My bad. I just think we as humans have a will to live so living is actually the easiest because we have the survival instinct in us. To go against what we are designed to do (which is self preservation) and actually follow through with killing one self is much harder. I guess we just disagree.

Just in case you didn't see this Ak. Also, you're saying it's the cowards way out. People who commit suicide (and you can read this in any psychology book) often kill themselves because they see it as the only way to end their pain. Right or wrong this is how they feel. They see it as a solution to their problem. People bring up soldiers who kill themselves. I don't think most people would call soldiers cowards. Most of them sign up in the armed forces to defend their country and are will to die for it. Would you call these people cowards? And if you would I guarantee you wouldn't say it to their face.
 

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Respect for the mentioning of Awakenings. IMO, his best films were Awakenings, World According to Garp, and The Survivors (w/Walter Matthau). My recollection is that Awakenings was perhaps his first film that had no comedic element and cemented his place as a dramatic actor.

Also want to mention "Best of Times" (w/Kurt Russell) as another favorite.
 

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Just in case you didn't see this Ak. Also, you're saying it's the cowards way out. People who commit suicide (and you can read this in any psychology book) often kill themselves because they see it as the only way to end their pain. Right or wrong this is how they feel. They see it as a solution to their problem. People bring up soldiers who kill themselves. I don't think most people would call soldiers cowards. Most of them sign up in the armed forces to defend their country and are will to die for it. Would you call these people cowards? And if you would I guarantee you wouldn't say it to their face.

Only way to end "their pain". Yet they create unimaginable pain for their family and loved ones who have to live with it because they don't choose the easy way out. I mean don't get me wrong there are grey areas. People truly suffering from physical illnesses, PTSD, depression, etc have serious illnesses, but pushing that pain off to your family is selfish. Seen it many times. Destroys families.
 

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