RESPONSE FROM BETCBS ON TENNIS SITUATION.......

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This is a "trick" what some books uses to get their odds look better (deduction lower) at odds comparison sites like Tip-Ex. At least I think these things are made by bookies. This is not a common, but sometimes it happens. I don't know how Don Best handles late changes, but these kind of things happens at Tip-Ex. Tip-Ex software has some flaws, but I use it because it's good enough for me and free.

I take one example here. Tip-Ex site was made by Finnish guy, then shitty book name SSP.co.uk bought it. Tip-EX takes SSPs odds from the Visitors area and SSP has there lower deduction as they actually have. I don't know does this still exist, because I have never had an account with them, but they have used this kind of practise
 

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EVERYGAMBLERSDREAM I CAN SEE MAYBE 7.06 FOR A 7.05 STARTING TIME BUT HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A BOOK ACCEPT A BET IF THE GAME STARTED AT 7.05 AND THE BET WAS TAKEN AT 7.20 15 MINUTES AFTER THE EVENT STARTED.IT GOES BACK TO THE OLD SAYING(TIME IS ONLY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU ARE IN JAIL) IT MEANS NOTHING TO SPORTSBOOKS THEY WILL CANCEL YOUR PLAY IF YOU WIN AND STEAL YOUR MONEY IF YOU LOSE.ITS A NO WIN SITUATION FOR THE PLAYERS RIGHT LENNY BOY
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BEANTOWNJIM:
EVERYGAMBLERSDREAM I CAN SEE MAYBE 7.06 FOR A 7.05 STARTING TIME BUT HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A BOOK ACCEPT A BET IF THE GAME STARTED AT 7.05 AND THE BET WAS TAKEN AT 7.20 15 MINUTES AFTER THE EVENT STARTED.IT GOES BACK TO THE OLD SAYING(TIME IS ONLY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU ARE IN JAIL) IT MEANS NOTHING TO SPORTSBOOKS THEY WILL CANCEL YOUR PLAY IF YOU WIN AND STEAL YOUR MONEY IF YOU LOSE.ITS A NO WIN SITUATION FOR THE PLAYERS RIGHT LENNY BOY
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Your case is different though since you bet on your hometown team & I feel pretty confident you knew what time that game started.
 

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IF THAT IS THE CASE EVERYGAMBLERS DREAM THEN DO YOU HONESTLY THINK LENNY WOULD HAVE PAID IF MY BET HAD WON YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT PAL THINK ABOUT IT.SPORTSBOOKS WRITE RULES THEN THEY BREAK THEM IN THERE FAVOR EVERYTIME ITS TOTAL BULLSHIT.(ALL WAGERS WILL BE ACCEPTED UP UNTIL THE STARTING TIME OF THE EVENT) LENNY AND CASCADES RULES NOT MINE
 
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Didn't the man donate the money to charity? Anyway enough about Cascade as that dispute has been talked about to death.

Going back to the response posting odds, maybe that 12:06 price was updating the closing price.
 

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I'd be more likely to play at CBS now. The fact that they're willing to stiff a shark to stay in business, so that small time squares like me don't end up getting stiffed, is a plus. If Aces Gold had claimed a "bad line" on the Pats +14.5 +100 in the Super Bowl, they'd probably still be in business.
 

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Banned4Life sad that you support criminals and thieves, very sad indeed.
 

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You dont think you are more likely to be stiffed when there is a run on the bank???
 

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Given the response by CBS, I would maintain my original position that CBS should pay out areeff at the Pinnacle price (+435) on the full $1,000 bet (assuming, as The Guesser said, that CBS cannot provide credible evidence that areeff controlled both his own account, and the other same-state account).


Why should areeff NOT be paid the +605 on the full bet ??
1. Well, firstly because +605 was not available anywhere else, and in fact, Pinnacle's +435 was the best out there for Singles bets.
2. Secondly, and equally important for someone betting the kind of $$$ that areeff is betting, is that (as The Actuary / S.P. V said) anyone who knows the tennis market (and in particular, how CBS prices their tennis matches) can say with 99.9% certainty that CBS never purposely put up the +605 number - it had to initially be an error.
3. If areeff had 5 or 6 thousand dollars riding on this match, he should have known that, at the very minimum, he should have verified this iffy number with CBS before/while placing the bet. He has to be considered somewhat at fault here. Areeff is not a novice placing his first bet - whether he wants to admit it or not, he is a very sophisticated bettor who should be more aware of the "rules of the road" when placing big bucks on a questionable scalp. Personally, I think areeff weighed the risks of contacting CBS about the +605 line (which would have resulted in the bet being disallowed) against the risk/chance of the underdog winning this match (which was quite small), and decided to "risk it".

Why should areeff be paid out on the full $1,000 at the comparable +435 available at Pinnacle ??
1. Because if areeff did not place this bet at CBS, logic would dictate that he would go to the place with the next best price, which was Pinnacle.
2. Dave Johnson has categorized areeff as a "shot taker". While there may be some degree of truth to this, the Eurobet +650 number (which was viewable on Tip-Ex) might come to his defense. While I don't think this +650 (Trebles Minimum) should be used as a benchmark when deciding how much areef should be paid, the fact remains that if someone was in a hurry, and they were checking the Tip-Ex prices to see if the CBS +605 is "within reason", then it's understandable that the Eurobet +650 on Tip-Ex might have prompted areeff into placing the +605 bet thinking "well, the +605 can't be a bad line, since there's a +650 out there".
3. As The Guesser said, it is irrelevant whether or not areeff was using a spider program., or whether he only made value bets at CBS. I'm no different, and I suspect most of the posters here are no different - if CBS doesn't have one of the best numbers available, I won't place the bet there.
4. Dave admitted that they knew about these big $$$ bets before the match started, yet did not cancel/void/adjust the bets. This may be the most damning part of the whole situation. Why they didn't cancel these bets before the match, I don't know, and until and unless I hear a valid reason for it, I have to assume CBS was taking a free shot.
5. Paying out +300 on half of his bet, is the same as paying +150 on the full $1,000. What's that all about ??
6. And what's this crap about a $200 tennis limit, when it states $1,000 on the website.
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While Dave Johnson's response was very well written, when you disect it and get to the "meat and potatoes", it is very weak. Not only that, there were a lot of things "left out" (and not addressed) that make them look even worse.
 

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I guess a couple of folks didn't see the sarcasm in my last post.
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And JJ: take your ritalin dude.
 
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The +650 price was available in some form of betting period.

Secondly Dave admits the line was up for hours & got action on it so if the line was up all that time then everyone who won should get the money on it period.

Lastly even if the line should have been +200 lets say for example, the fact that Dave admits the line was up for hours & they knew it was up & didn't do anything to correct it till after the event then they deserved to have a shot taken on them & they should learn to be on the ball more.
 

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This crap about +605 being an off line is a big effing joke. I took the Spurs to sweep the Nets at +800 at Pinnacle and everyone else had it at +600. You had the line at +605 - not +1600! - that is not a bad line - I can see it now - the Steelers -6.5 is a bad line but 7.5 is good line when the game hits 7. If you want to get your money back fire your linesmaker if your story is true.

The only exceptable solution would have been to contact the player BEFORE the game started at tell them you had a problem - if not all you have done is steal their money behind SOME LAME ASS EXCUSE!
 

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Ok the -2000/+650 line is COMPLETELY legit. Why? bet365 does this crap all the time. The favorite line is HORRIBLE but if it gets SOO bad (especially in live betting) value will emerge in the dog line.

A great example was bet365s nba futures. They would hang the favorites at ridiculously crappy -175/+150/+225 for futures but you could pickup teams like the nets or pistons at 125% or 150% odds of anywhere else on the net because they wanted dog action. They were not bad lines. It does not make those prices non-legit even though in the case the favorite won.
 

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Areeff,

You keep taking those shots on lines you "don't think are bad"....especially at smaller books and you'll be broke. How many years profit in scalps did this last fiasco cost you?
 

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Areeff-
The main reason I mentioned it was an alias is because you said at one point you got response from someone in BetCBS management claiming to be Dave Johnson. So, an alias makes it hard to determine which Dave Johnson you are talking to.
 

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Areff,

Most of us seem to agree that this was clearly not an obvious bad line. I don't think you need to keep breaking your back trying to justify your play. They posted it, they booked it, they knew they made a mistake before the match started, they waited for the result, then only after you won they decided to cancel. Even if you had bet this at plus 60500 you should be paid because they past-posted you. Had they not noticed it before the match started then this might be a different story at that line. Clearly however, Dave Johnson states that he knew prior to post but waited til he had a result to act. The only shot taken here was by Casablanca.
 

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i agree with most here, a bad line bet is cancelled BEFORE THE START OF THE EVENT, if for whatever reason the bookmaker misses it and the event ends, bookmakers are only human after all, then they should honour the bet UNLESS it's a very very obvious bad line. But in this case +605 is NOT AN OBVIOUS BAD LINE, if areff was asking to be paid for something like a +4000, i d then obviously side with the book, but +150something on top of the market price is a bet that should be honoured SINCE THE BOOK DID NOT INFORM THE PLAYER OF A BAD LINE BET BEFORE THE START OF THE EVENT.

nuff said.
 

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is putting this sportbook on a bad list the only recourse?

if so, how effective is that?
 

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Now that we have heard from Mr Johnson, here is the way I analyze this situation now:

1) Other posters have claimed that ANYBODY that knows Casablanca and the way they run their bookmaking operation would know that the line had to be bad because they always post a middle of the road number. Additionally it was claimed that they don't put opinions into lines or move them just because they are heavy on one side. Dave Johnson refutes this by his explanation of how their opening number was arrived at. He says he checked three books and saw +250, +300 and +350. After his review of these three numbers he decided to open at +400. This is clearly an indication that Dave put up a line with an opinion. His opening number should have been +300 if he really puts up middle of the road numbers. From this information only two possible conclusions can be reached. Either Casablanca did have an opinion on this match and their +605 number was a further attempt to draw money on the dog or Dave is lying about how he came up with his opening line."
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paula jackson:

As one of the people who says that CBS never posted opinionated tennis lines, I feel that I should make a correction to your above statement.

By opening with +400, CBS was NOT forming an opinion. Why ?? Well, because Pinnacle's dog number was higher than the +400 that CBS had. Forming an opinion means posting a number that is BETTER than the next credible, available number. An opinion means offering up a number that invites scalpers and value bettors to bet that number - in this case, the CBS +400 would not accomplish this since Pinnacle's number was better, and virtually everyone who is anyone (in relation to scalping / value betting) has an account at Pinnacle.

Another thing to remember is that the better the dog number that CBS offers (without being better than Pinnacle's), the more "house-favourable" the favourite odds will be. If it can be assumed that CBS expected mostly favourite money, then this was a smart thing to do, and it still wasn't really offering an opinion.
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Other than that, the other dozen or so points that you made outlining CBS's mistakes were basically bang on.
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