Republicans Destroying the Economy through Austerity... On Purpose

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akphi, seriously, you cannot be this dumb.

You posted a statement that is basically blaming the Republicans for stonewalling Obama from spending the money he needs to improve the economy as your sick twisted theories promote.

Then you say Obama has been the first Prez to spend less the year prior.

You make NO mention of the huge skyrocket in spending the two years prior, which skew the numbers and data the subsequent years showing little to minutely negative percentage changes in spending in the following years. The only problem is, the numbers are so inflated now that it would be difficult to increase spending.

You are an idiot, probably the most naive person on this forum. You really don't think we see through this kind of bullshit that you post?

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Because I was being sarcastic about the drops in Reagan's spending to make a point. Please see the asterisk on my post.

Percentage changes are used by marketing people and statisticians when the raw data just doesn't support their claims.

Obama has spent more money by far than any other POTUS in history, and Akphi is claiming he can't spend enough because of the Republicans.

To support his claim he uses this bullshit graph to make his argument which only tells half of the story...just like a lot of statistics do.

The other half of the story is the baseline being used of his spending is enormous, and a small decrease of 1% is ONLY because of the massive increases in spending the prior two years.

Typical bullshit Keyensian economics.
How can you be sarcastic about Reagan's drops in spending when he had no drops in spending? Every year his spending increased, every single year according to the graph. So please explain exactly what your sarcasm was?
 

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Because I was being sarcastic about the drops in Reagan's spending to make a point. Please see the asterisk on my post.

Percentage changes are used by marketing people and statisticians when the raw data just doesn't support their claims.

Obama has spent more money by far than any other POTUS in history, and Akphi is claiming he can't spend enough because of the Republicans.

To support his claim he uses this bullshit graph to make his argument which only tells half of the story...just like a lot of statistics do.

The other half of the story is the baseline being used of his spending is enormous, and a small decrease of 1% is ONLY because of the massive increases in spending the prior two years.

Typical bullshit Keyensian economics.

Every President has spent more money than the previous President in the past century. It's basic math and economics.

And your bullshit asterisk was not a note of sarcasm... this was the note. You just misunderstood the graph. That's fine. But not surprised at all.


* - this is why you are so fucking fake with your bullshit graphs you have embarrassed yourself completely. Move to another forum.
 

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What an inconvenient truth for Ak. Please stop contradicting his claims Joe....he is smarter than everyone else in here.

You know, the one thing I have noticed about these academia trained liberals is they all lack common sense and basic think for themselves abilities. Text books tell them what the author wants them to learn and they are unable to decipher shit from bullshit.

You think Joe contradicted my claims with those graphs and images? You are dumber than I thought... lmao!!!
 
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Just unreal. The obstructionist do-nothing Republicans have the audacity to blame Obama for the economy yet they prevent any measures that have been used in the past by almost every President to increase economic growth. Look at the average increases in spending for Reagan and Bush. Almost over 5%. Obama though is forced to be the first President in the past 50 years to spend less in the span of a year. It's insane. The economy would be working just fine and growing if the government were allowed to do what its been doing for the past century.

Obama, because of the worthless do nothing Republicans is officially the biggest fiscal conservative we have seen in the past century. And this does not include the massive reduction in public sector employment, state and local spending, etc. It's embarrassing to know that I once thought highly of Republicans. But the new party is such a joke and a disaster to the country that I probably will never be able to vote Republican again. Their constituents are just too dumb and they are willing to destroy this country to defend their failed ideology. Sort of like a religion. Just sickening stuff.


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Curious as to why you picked 1980 as the start point?
 

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Curious as to why you picked 1980 as the start point?

Wanted to include Reagan and condense the graph enough to show how good the do nothing Republicans are at forcing Obama to do something no other President has had to do in the past 5 decades.
 

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If you want a larger view... here you go. Gas Man is a real life idiot by the way, lol. You can't deny that after reading this thread.

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If you want a larger view... here you go. Gas Man is a real life idiot by the way, lol. You can't deny that after reading this thread.

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Wanted to include Reagan and condense the graph enough to show how good the do nothing Republicans are at forcing Obama to do something no other President has had to do in the past 5 decades.

I didn't mean anything negative by asking why that time frame. I was curious more than anything. As far as Gas' asterisk comment, I'm not sure whether he didn't realize the y axis was a measure of percentage change or if he was implying using percentage change rather than spending in billions is an attempt to con people. His Reagan comment I don't understand.
 

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I didn't mean anything negative by asking why that time frame. I was curious more than anything. As far as Gas' asterisk comment, I'm not sure whether he didn't realize the y axis was a measure of percentage change or if he was implying using percentage change rather than spending in billions is an attempt to con people. His Reagan comment I don't understand.

He simply misinterpreted the graph and saw the line going down and figured that was a "reduction in spending". It's very difficult to compare Presidents with nominal values. I mean every President at their time, people said that spending was too high. I picture it more on an infinite line and the current President is on a point just like the previous Presidents at their time. It's funny how Reagan tripled the debt, increased spending dramatically and at that time there was no "limit". Congress was about to shut down when the debt reached $1 trillion because it was an "unfathomable" number. In 1937 they went crazy over $42 billion in debt and cut spending by 20%. Lasted barely a year until the economy started going back in to a depression.

I just can't stand when people act like a previous President had some "buffer" to spend and the current President has reached that buffer. Absolutely no mathematics involved. I call it a fear of large numbers.
 
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He simply misinterpreted the graph and saw the line going down and figured that was a "reduction in spending". It's very difficult to compare Presidents with nominal values. I mean every President at their time, people said that spending was too high. I picture it more on an infinite line and the current President is on a point just like the previous Presidents at their time. It's funny how Reagan tripled the debt, increased spending dramatically and at that time there was no "limit". Congress was about to shut down when the debt reached $1 trillion because it was an "unfathomable" number. In 1937 they went crazy over $42 billion in debt and cut spending by 20%. Lasted barely a year until the economy started going back in to a depression.

I just can't stand when people act like a previous President had some "buffer" to spend and the current President has reached that buffer. Absolutely no mathematics involved. I call it a fear of large numbers.

As I have said before, so long as the market is willing to buy US Treasuries the number is largely irrelevant.
 

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As I have said before, so long as the market is willing to buy US Treasuries the number is largely irrelevant.

Well, there's a problem with this theory. Viewing the US Treasury market as a normal market will lead you to many fallacies like we will run out of buyers, or China owns us, etc, etc. There is not a normal market for US Treasuries. It is controlled by the Fed and Primary Dealers. Primary Dealers are mandated to create the market at "reasonable" market prices. So as we saw in the last crisis. They have complete control over the govt treasury market. If they want to increase yields they can, if they want to decrease them they can. Has absolutely nothing to do with a willing market.

And if you understand banks, there will never be a time where they aren't willing to invest in US Treasuries. Primary Dealers are our de facto "govt funding agents".
 
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Well, there's a problem with this theory. Viewing the US Treasury market as a normal market will lead you to many fallacies like we will run out of buyers, or China owns us, etc, etc. There is not a normal market for US Treasuries. It is controlled by the Fed and Primary Dealers. Primary Dealers are mandated to create the market at "reasonable" market prices. So as we saw in the last crisis. They have complete control over the govt treasury market. If they want to increase yields they can, if they want to decrease them they can. Has absolutely nothing to do with a willing market.

And if you understand banks, there will never be a time where they aren't willing to invest in US Treasuries. Primary Dealers are our de facto "govt funding agents".

Of course it's not a typical market but I'm not sure what that has to do with what I am saying or whether you are just looking for an argument.
 

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Of course it's not a typical market but I'm not sure what that has to do with what I am saying or whether you are just looking for an argument.

Not looking for an argument at all. Just engaging in a discussion. You said "so long as the market is willing to buy US Treasuries". I was just making a point that there isn't a normal market. Not looking to argue at all.
 
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Not looking for an argument at all. Just engaging in a discussion. You said "so long as the market is willing to buy US Treasuries". I was just making a point that there isn't a normal market. Not looking to argue at all.

Fair enough. Look basically my point is the US will never have solvency issues. We will never "run out of money". The concern should be inflation rather than solvency.
 

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Fair enough. Look basically my point is the US will never have solvency issues. We will never "run out of money". The concern should be inflation rather than solvency.

That's a money statement. Wish your buddies could understand this. Inflation is the driving force behind our monetary system. The rest is just levers.
 
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That's a money statement. Wish your buddies could understand this. Inflation is the driving force behind our monetary system. The rest is just levers.

Buddies probably isn't the correct word. I'd guess I'm universally disliked on left and right around here. Fine with it that way as well.
 

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Buddies probably isn't the correct word. I'd guess I'm universally disliked on left and right around here. Fine with it that way as well.

Well if you keep making solid statements like this...

"Fair enough. Look basically my point is the US will never have solvency issues. We will never "run out of money". The concern should be inflation rather than solvency."

You're in direct line to be my buddy!
 

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You are wrong akphi..if you read my post the very first thing I picked out was that it was a PERCENTAGE change...

No way you can be thus stupid so I will just give you the benefit of doubt. My entire rant is based on you posting a percent of change...
 

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You ever notice Akphi always posts graphs that cite PERCENTAGE changes.

And then he acts like he doesn't know the significance of what that means....just like most stat junkies, just use the numbers to carve you story for you.

And then for kickers he ignores the two years from 2008-2010 where expenditures skyrocketed, thanks to the stimulus bills that were passed.


Basic math question...

What is bigger?

A) 90 percent of 10,000
B) 10 percent of 10,000,000

You really have become a complete troll douche bag. Does this kind of shit work with the dumb fucks you socialize with?

Here it is...now what were you saying about me mis interpreting the graph?

Geez.
 

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You are wrong akphi..if you read my post the very first thing I picked out was that it was a PERCENTAGE change...

No way you can be thus stupid so I will just give you the benefit of doubt. My entire rant is based on you posting a percent of change...

Nah bro, you misinterpreted it. I'll let it slide though. I know I'm not dealing with the brightest people. There is literally nothing you can say or spin to change the fact Obama has had to reduce increases of spending to levels that no other President has had to in the last 60 years. Your argument is very stupid by the way. Just throwing that out there.
 

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