well if you've been to the city it's just about the most relevant name you could come up with ... cleveland disasters, cleveland smog, cleveland burning rivers were the next choices
I played in a World Championship Slow Pitch tournament in Parma way back when. Really nice people. The mayor of Parma even sent me a letter after it was over. Come to think of it Cleveland has the Browns and the Indians. Hmm.
Well dumbass it is almost football season. This has been a topic of discussion for quite some time now. The main reason I brought it up is because of little known involvement some leading native Americans had in impliementing the name Redskins and that they obviously had no problem with it. Are you saying you already knew that? As far as casino's go obviously you have never been to one in Oklahoma. People here are friendly and conversive to include many of the Native American employees there. Many people are interested to hear how actual Native Americans feel about the topic, a topic which would not even be on the table if it were not for the far left political corrects.
Seriously you question why this would come up for a topic of discussion and then you mention protesters at the Redskins games. If it is not a worthy topic why did you respond. Duh Yes there is life without Obama.
What is hilarious is the BP doesn't think this topic deserves a thread. Meanwhile check out how deep Obama got into this whole thing. Hilarious.
Patrick Howley
Political Reporter
President Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign featured the word “Redskins” in a campaign video, despite his government’s recent decision that the name is too divisive to even be trademarked on T-shirts.·
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BarackObama.com posted a September 2008 video on its Youtube channelentitled “Lorenzo Alexander and Leigh Torrence for Obama.” The video, featuring players Alexander and Torrence offering their support for the Democrat at a voter-registration event, identified the players in on-screen text as being affiliated with the “Washington Redskins” and featured footage of the “Redskins” name on Alexander’s jersey.
Alexander explained that, “We got everybody on the teamto get together and sign up and register got all of the players in the Redskins locker room to register to vote for Obama.”
The question emerges: Why was Barack Obama’s campaign using such hateful, despicable rhetoric in a campaign advertisement? Why was the future president proud of the fact that men were wearing such a racist word on their shirts as they helped register potential Obama voters? Was that the point? Was Obama using the symbology of racism to inculcate anti-Indian sentiment among voters, creating a jingoistic effect that would galvanize footballfans to the polls in a frothing wave of cowboys-vs.-Indians vigor?
Sound plausible? No? Well, that’s what you would have heard from the left if McCain had done it.
P.S.: In 2004, the year Obama was first elected to the Senate, a poll directed by a former New York Times reporter found that 90 percent of American Indians were not offended by the Redskins name.
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WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama says he would "think about changing" the Washington Redskins' name if he owned the football team as he waded into the controversy involving a word many consider offensive to Native Americans.
Obama, in an interview with The Associated Press, said team names such as the Redskins offend "a sizable group of people." He said that while fans get attached to the names, nostalgia may not be a good enough reason to keep them in place.
"I don't know whether our attachment to a particular name should override the real legitimate concerns that people have about these things," he said in the interview, which was conducted Friday at the White House.
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President Obama is Stripping Washington Redskins Trademarks After Owner Refused to Give Up Team Name
This is how the Obama administration rolls. Get in a confrontation with the president, and some IRS branch patent office makes trouble for you. That’s how “community organizers” do business. That’s the Chicago Way.
The latest example? After Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder made it painfully, abundantly clear that he believes their team name is a tribute to their historic legacy and an honorable reflection of the spirit they aim to incorporate, a lowly patent office clerk just went ahead and cancelled their trademarks.
Mashable reports on this strange, politically vindictive, and probably illegal turn-of-events:
The decision from the U.S. administrator read, “…these registrations must be cancelled because they were disparaging to Native Americans at the respective times they were registered…”
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The move affects six registrations and was brought about by a petition from five Native Americans. The office found that “a substantial composite of Native Americans found the term REDSKINS to be disparaging in connection with respondent’s services during the relevant time frame of 1967-1990.”
As for radical activists feigning to speak for all Native Americans (check out this photo essay response to a recent anti-Redskins ad) as well as for the American people, Dan Snyder’s attorney Lanny J. Davis put it well:
“As a supporter of President Obama, I am sure the president is not aware that in the highly respected Annenberg Institute poll (taken 2004) with a national sample of Native Americans, 9 out of 10 Native Americans said they were not bothered by the name the ‘Washington Redskins.’
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“The president made these comments to the Associated Press, but he was apparently unaware that an April 2013 AP poll showed that eight out of ten of all Americans in a national sample don’t think the Washington Redskins name should be changed.
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“We at the Redskins respect everyone. But like devoted fans of the Atlanta Braves, the Cleveland Indians and the Chicago Blackhawks (from President Obama’s hometown ), we love our team and its name and, like those fans, we do not intend to disparage or disrespect a racial or ethnic group.
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“The name ‘Washington Redskins’ is 80 years old – it’s our history and legacy and tradition. We Redskins fans sing ‘hail to the Redskins’ every Sunday as a word of honor not disparagement.”
The timing of this move is pretty convenient for the president and is a classic example of both the distraction politics this administration is good for and the lack of seriousness of his administration.
This is clearly petty revenge served up by a president who has little regard for the law or respect for free speech. Just because you are “offended” by something, doesn’t mean you get to violate other people’s rights. This move is obviously less about the Redskins than it is about the president’s thin skin.
When you're as Obsessed with Obama as Russ is, EVERYTHING under the sun has to do with Obama.That's not want I meant, Minnesota and Wisconsin are full of tribal casinos, with many Native Americans working. You would go to a Indian Casino and bring up to employees their thoughts on the Redskin name? Not something I would do, not something most would do.
As far as responding it was brought up that the protesters are white and that is not true, and what the fuck does Obama have to do with it?
That's not want I meant, Minnesota and Wisconsin are full of tribal casinos, with many Native Americans working. You would go to a Indian Casino and bring up to employees their thoughts on the Redskin name? Not something I would do, not something most would do.
As far as responding it was brought up that the protesters are white and that is not true, and what the fuck does Obama have to do with it?
When you're as Obsessed with Obama as Russ is, EVERYTHING under the sun has to do with Obama.
Who said I brought it up. I walked by a gaming table and heard some people talking about it including the dealer and a supervisor. It developed into a nice friendly discussion. You assumed I brought it up, you really are a dumbass. LOL
So because you walked by a gaming table and heard a dealer and supervisor talking about it you decided it was time to develop a nice friendly discussion. So you base your opinion on what natives think based on the opinions from TWO?
You guys don't get and you never will. Obama is a hypocrite. He used the Redskins in his campaign and then makes negative remarks about the name later on and then GUESS what, they take away the trademark rights. Take off the blinders guys. I am not obsessed with Obama but everyday he messes something else up. EVERYTHING you guys do and say about Obama just shows what sheep you really are. Can you post a thread every day showing what Obama did that helped this country reduce it's debt, increase it's employment, etc. Hell no. You are the ones who are obsessed with Obama. If I am obsessed about anything it is watching this country go downhill on a daily basis with him at the helm. Oh I forgot to mention Benghazi. LOL
I really don't pay attention to Obama's involvement in this, I'm not a fan of changing any of the names no matter who is behind it, but my opinion doesn't matter. This has been a topic for a long time well before Obama, they have been trying to get rid of the North Dakota Fighting Sioux forever. I have my own personal opinions of why they are trying to get rid of the nicknames but it doesn't really matter.
I really don't pay attention to Obama's involvement in this, I'm not a fan of changing any of the names no matter who is behind it, but my opinion doesn't matter. This has been a topic for a long time well before Obama, they have been trying to get rid of the North Dakota Fighting Sioux forever. I have my own personal opinions of why they are trying to get rid of the nicknames but it doesn't really matter.
Didn't they succeed on the Fighting Sioux. Their hockey team this past season was nameless. Just North Dakota. It's ridiculous. Embarrassed by my fellow Natives for caring so much about these names. It's more prideful to see natives represented than anything.
You say this was a topic before Obama's involvement so you do realize it accelerated when he did get involved.
It has become accelerated and there are several factors, many democrats in general have pushed others to change to, remember there was a push to change the Cleveland Indians as well. Also when North Dakota dropped it's moniker the Redskin Moniker gained even more steam. Also if you listen to sports radio or watch sports, the commentators and show hosts have also been pushing this. I think they want to look good. So it's not just Obama, there is a lot more involved.
Never said it was just Obama but once he climbed on board what happened, their trademark was cancelled. You say there was a lot more involved but I say once he got involved it became even more political. Everything he does is political and or politically correct. In other words, just like the Trayvon and the Harvard Professor incidents he got involved in something he should have stayed the hell out of. In this case he put his opinion into action and trumped the consensus on the topic. Sports hosts and the like can only talk about it, Obama did something about it.
By the way I saw him on the news last night. Are his ears bigger now than when he came into office, they seem to have grown. Are his ears the equivalent of Pinocchio's nose.