Patriots release Gimore

[Knightrofins]

Recently, no, not really. Especially drafting.

But to sum his career up as a GM as "isnt that great" is pretty crazy. Although I think you were just trying to say he isn't infallible with a golden Midas Touch rather than dismiss his career.

He has done some very sharp things over the years. He understood teams were paying guys in that age 29-32 range based on past performance and you had to be cutthroat on when to get rid of them rather than pay them for their next deal. Early in his run, he realized teams weren't valuing 3-4 defenders as much as 4-3 guys so he switched the D to 3-4 and built the defense off that. Later on, he realized TE's, slot WR's, receiving back specialists were undervalued compared to WR's/RB's which helped build the 2nd stage of the run. You could go on and on. He also signed the subject of this thread, Stephon Gilmore, who ended up being 1 of the best free agency since the NFL went to the salary cap era.

This shit is hard though, that is the main thing I'd try to tell people and what I'd say in the TB/BB thread. To constantly find edges like that and to constantly identify talent better than 31 other teams that have the same financial resources as you is damn hard. Look at Seattle, they reeled off 4 all-world caliber defensive guys in like 3 years and I'm not even sure they've drafted 1 pro bowl caliber guy since. Examples are endless. The game of football and football management is filled with volatility and variance.

Years ago he would do a good job. Always got rid of players about to make big $$$ 1 year early and was able to get higher draft picks. Always able to trade down draft picks to accumulate more draft picks. Also always knew when to trade up 1 slot above a division rival and take "their guy".

If Brady was married to just an "average jane", then he would have commanded more $$ and would have screwed up the salary cap. It helps that his wife makes 50 mil a year (guesstimate) so Brady doesnt need to stretch every penny out of Bob Kraft. By Brady taking a few million less, those monies were able to be put into other places.

Belicheck a great formula for winning. Great o-line, platooning running backs and utilizing 1 more when they have the lead and 1 when they are behind. Always loved the white receive who could catch. Always loved multiple tight ends for mismatches. He is and has also been 1 of the best defensive football coaches of all time.

Seattle was a great example. They were able to get those all world caliber defensive guys when they were paying their stud QB 3rd rd pick money on his rookie contract. Now look what happens when Russ signed his big deal? They had to break up the legion of boom.

Seems like the key to winning the super bowl these days is either 1) have a QB on his rookie contract or 2) Have Tom Brady as your QB. The only exceptions in the last 10 years were that both manning brothers won super bowls. However Peyton was a shell of himself when they won

 

[Willie99]

I’m sure willie will tell us how brilliant of a move this was.
Belichick don’t make mistakes. So I’m sure there is something we are overlooking .

Maybe he knows that the next Tom Brady will be in the 6th drafted with that 6th round pick he just got for Gilmore

He tends to come out on top. Although he's no Jeff Francour

Bill Belichick has proven beyond a shadow if a doubt that he's an excellent roster manager. Arguably the best ever, especially in the era of free agency

You gave up on Brady several years ago. Lest you forgot your Jimmy G predictions

In Belichick I trust

 

[PatsFanatic]

However, yes, they should've dealt him in March 2020 after his DPOY season and you could've gotten a 2nd for him probably. In the past, I think that is a move BB is quick to make. However, let's face it, they didn't wanna go 4-12 in Brady's 1st season away from the team so they made a lot of moves that season that had no value in helping them long-term (Franchising Thuney, bringing other vets back, wasting a year on old Cam when you could've atleast slung some mud and given another young guy a shot)...Maybe weren't feeling the PR hit of him and TB leaving within the span of 2 weeks either.

This makes the most sense.

 

[SmallDaddy]

Great coach BUT he may it owe all to having Brady luckily land on his lap in the draft and when Jet LB Mo Lewis KO-ing Bledsoe into injury to discover him.

Not to say BB is not an excellent coach but its easy too look brilliant when the QB plays like a machine EVERY FRIGGING TIME!!!
(similar to Andy Reid. He wasnt considered such a genius before Mahomes came along)

You need a 7 minute drive in the 4th to seal the game? No problem. Brady has done that dozens of times.

On third and medium the D is blitzing, everyone is covered yet Brady puts it in the perfect spot, to keep the drive going. How many times have we seen that?
Thousands?

Down by 10pts in the fourth? No problem.
I truly believe Brady was the first one, to not start taking too many chances and throw picks, in 2005
Just take what is available, dink and dunk if you have to.
Before that qbs were just chucking it down the field, usually with bad results

Without Brady, BB may have won 1 in that span, maybe...

And I will go to my grave believing that...

 

[PatsFan1283]

Not to say BB is not an excellent coach but its easy too look brilliant when the QB plays like a machine EVERY FRIGGING TIME!!!
(similar to Andy Reid. He wasnt considered such a genius before Mahomes came along)

You need a 7 minute drive in the 4th to seal the game? No problem. Brady has done that dozens of times.

On third and medium the D is blitzing, everyone is covered yet Brady puts it in the perfect spot, to keep the drive going. How many times have we seen that?
Thousands?

Down by 10pts in the fourth? No problem.
I truly believe Brady was the first one, to not start taking too many chances and throw picks, in 2005
Just take what is available, dink and dunk if you have to.
Before that qbs were just chucking it down the field, usually with bad results

Without Brady, BB may have won 1 in that span, maybe...

And I will go to my grave believing that...

To say how much he would’ve won is way too hypothetical over that large a time frame, but yes that’s any coach. No different than Knoll, Landry, Shanahan, Walsh, Reid, JimmyJ, etc.

That’s NFL and football, way harder w/o the best player(s)

 

[Willie99]

Football is NOT a one man team. And defense carried them to a couple of rings, like the last one against the Rams

Brady is the GOAT, Bill is the GOAT, they made a great team

Neither one is as successful as they are without the other

 

[Willie99]

Belicheck the GM isnt that great

Yes i know all those super bowls are great but he did it with a QB who took "paycuts" every year and played for under market value

For the love of God, who do you think has been GM for the LAST TWENTY YEARS

Think I'll go find a vaccine thread to hang in. Couldn't be any worse than this oneface)(*^%

 

[Willie99]

Controversial roster moves by Belichick, think he was right every time despite what RX HOF GMs think

Lawyer Milloy, loved the reaction after game 1 of that year
Ty Law
Richard Seymour
Jamie Collins
Malcolm Butler (some thought he was the best, BB laughed)
Randy Moss
Deion Branch
Jimmy G


PS: he didn't cut Brady. TB wanted to play with a loaded team, where he was the missing link

 

[CHOPTALK]

I don’t think trading Jamie Collins in the middle of the season for a 2nd round pick was a great move when that team was competing for a super bowl

 

[CHOPTALK]

And trading jimmy G for a 2nd round pick was below market value when the year before you had teams offering two 1st for him

 

[Dr.Love]

I don’t think trading Jamie Collins in the middle of the season for a 2nd round pick was a great move when that team was competing for a super bowl

That was a dumb move by the Browns too. They were one of the worst teams in the league and they trade away a 2nd round pick when they were going nowhere to begin with. I can understand if they needed another defensive piece to get them over the top. But they were horrible and that was straight up dumb.

 

[SmallDaddy]

Chandler Jones

 

[PatsFan1283]

NE won 2 of the next 3 SBs after they got rid of Collins and Jones, came closer to 3 peating than any team in NFL history (although if you win in '17, you're probably less likely to win in '18 but that is a bit too hypothetical) Either way, tough to bat 100% on letting guys go.

If you want to criticize BB, you would criticize some of his recent drafts as he's made some horrible picks that is as big a reason as any why Brady left, the cupboard was bare. But again, drafting is hard. No one has really cracked that code over the long-term to consistently dominate it. Seattle was reeling off HOFers, then they weren't. The 9ers were reeling off pro bowlers, then they weren't, then they were again, etc etc....You could criticize why he's so behind on game theory, which was easier to get away with when he had the best teams. Now margin for error is slim.

None of this is that complicated though.

Belichick was a great coach/GM for many years, extremely instrumental in a perennial contender for 2 decades. He's not infallible, he's not some football God immune to mistakes in a league where everyone has = financial resources and margin for error is thin. He never had any magical "system" that turned a good QB into a great one.

Brady was just more valuable because QB superstar players are more valuable than coaches, even the best ones (I suppose some can hold onto BB > Brady if they want, GL w/ that analysis)

I dunno why that little writeup isn't clearly consensus opinion to logical people but I digress.

 

[Avocado33]

The bigger problem in New England has been inability to develop skill position talent in recent years -- particularly at WR. It's tough to say how much of that blame goes directly to BB, but I would say that's more of the issue there.

All franchises have had good and bad drafting years. It's just a hard thing to consistently be better than everyone else at.

 

[Avocado33]

BB is not God, but he is closer to God than Sean Payton. That's for sure

 

[Willie99]

Anyone else remember when Brady was called a "system QB"?

Was funny then, even funnier now

 

[PatsFanatic]

Anyone else remember when Brady was called a "system QB"?

Was funny then, even funnier now

You remember poster BillHill?? That was his favorite saying. Dumbest take ever, no one he disappeared from this place.

 

[rolltide]

um wow .... all this for jamie collins? whitey bulger's crew have Belichick hopped up on meth?

According to The MMQB's Albert Breer, New England got rid of the 2019 Defensive Player of the Year so it would have the salary-cap space to sign Collins.

"That's absolutely why. 100 percent," Breer said Wednesday on NBC Sports Boston's Early Edition. "They needed to create cap space to go and get Jamie Collins. They had plans early in the week to fly him in and they had discussed role with him and everything else, and they needed a corresponding move. So what they did was they picked up the phone and called Stephon Gilmore and they basically discussed the idea of him restructuring (his contract)."

 

[rolltide]

Football is NOT a one man team.

nobody is arguing that you can go 2-6 L8 (2 wins over the Jets btw) with, or without, Gilmore, but getting a 6th rounder back in return (5% chance of making NFL practice squad?) is horrific business. It's like trading your 2021 Tesla Model S for an '85 Chevy Chevette

 

[Acebb]

And trading jimmy G for a 2nd round pick was below market value when the year before you had teams offering two 1st for him

Belichick was “furious and demoralized” that he was ordered to trade Garoppolo, according to the report, citing friends. On the morning of Oct. 30, he sent a text message to Shanahan asking him to call him back. Belichick asked for a second-round draft pick in exchange for Garoppolo.