<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rex Foster:
Sea, you are a major asset to the forum! Hope the situation works out for you. The beauty of Vegas has always been you front the $$$ first. Want to chase? The $$$ has to be in your pocket.
GOOD LUCK!
Rex<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Rex
Unfortunately the RX does not see it that way. The are supporting that degenerate scumbag The Panther in this case.
They proved this, by sending URCHIN'S thread to THE RUBBER ROOM.
Sea, you are a major asset to the forum! Hope the situation works out for you. The beauty of Vegas has always been you front the $$$ first. Want to chase? The $$$ has to be in your pocket.
GOOD LUCK!
Rex<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Rex
Unfortunately the RX does not see it that way. The are supporting that degenerate scumbag The Panther in this case.
They proved this, by sending URCHIN'S thread to THE RUBBER ROOM.
Hammy - frankly you and your little games with these sportbooks are getting out of line. This my friend is coming from what was once a long time Hammy supporter. Of course since then we have seen this guy go ape shit on book after book after book. Always a huge meltdown with him storming around and bashing any and everyone who gets in his way. He gets so furious and worked up it is almost scary only to offer up an apology moments later if a book makes a concession to him. In my opinion that is all this whole thing was about. So before I get started let me say this thread will probably get ugly, very ugly. Hammy's style is to "make you pay dearly" for ever taking him on or disagreeing with him. As long as he talks about the case it will remain open, once he gets into a pissing war (which is sure to come if he doesn't get paid) we will shut it down. My contact was Carl Tyson at Sportbet, I also made phone contact with Ham 'n Eggs as well.
Hammy played in the casino and lost his $1400 dollars. End of story. He was caught in not one but several lies. At first he swore to IBet he hadn't played in the casino at all, then later he changed it to say he had played but only before the NBA game. Yeah right. After that misrepresentation he claimed he was in bed by 1023PM that night. RPM mentioned above he had posted here after 12 yet besides that I still have an e-mail from him that same night - 1123PM. Again another lie unless he was sleepwalking somehow. This is just the beginning.
Then according to Hammy some poor soul stole Hammy's money while he was sleeping. Yep, he had $1400 dollars in his account yet it disappeared. After the complaint was made Sportbet checked IP's numbers. From the initial Hammy deposit which was by credit card and where he signed up it was always the same IP #. They asked if he had a wife, sister, brother anyone else who lived there? Hammy said no. They compared it to the sportbook wagers, and then from there compared it to the IP # losing the money in the casino. Each and every time it was the same computer. Even still Sportbet told us here at the RX his IP # (before we told them what his was) and what they gave us again is the same IP # as in all the other action they had plus the same one he posts with here at the RX. If someone lost that money they must have done it while the sleepwalking Hammy was posting here and sending e-mails. Though caught dead to rice on both issues Hammy is not quitting yet.
After he was caught on this situation he then asked for and received a complete log of all the action on his account. A complete breakdown of the blackjack hands. Immediately he noticed some of the numbers on the breakdown were 36 and up. This was his latest attack on Sportbet, how could there be numbers like 36 in blackjack? Again Hammy is trying to find something to hang his hat on or where he can say he was cheated. Then he can demand his money back. He raised a huge stink on this only for it to be explained that aces show up as 11 on these sheets. Once again there was a simple explanation. Beyond this if he had not lost the money playing blackjack and someone stole it as he alleges why call them out on the numbers now? Like I said, it was one lie after another in this whole thing. It became obvious this was a case of what defense lawyers use, throw buckets and buckets of mud along the side of a barn and hope something will stick.
Throughout all this Hammy has made their life a living hell over there. He has called and raised cane, made tapes of calls and threatend the whole time of what a big case this was and how he had Sportbet's balls in his hands. It was up to him if he squeezed and if they didn't resolve it Hammy was going to be on them for the rest of his life. Though everything Hammy said was a lie Sportbet knew he was a poster here and decided to give him his money back just so they could get rid of him. Like everyone else it is becoming clear what kind of guy we are dealing with. They went ahead and closed his account yet GAVE HAMMY HIS $450 DEPOSIT BACK!!! Case closed right? Well of course Hammy accepts the money but now he has decided he wants more. I see he posted over at MW he would have accepted $1000 but the $450 wasn't enough.
Frankly this has gone on too much with this kid. If I have a say this guy won't be around much longer. It is one thing after another, he needs a break. He has tried to tarnish the names of many books around here. Sometimes he does it quietly through e-mails that never make the forums but several books can vouch for what I am saying. He has dug up old posts from 6 months ago and tried to go back and hold a book up to see what he can get. I liked the kid but enough is enough. He lied about playing, he lied about being in bed asleep, he lied about the IP #'s, he lied about using the casino, he has lied repeatedly in this whole thing and still got his money back but is not happy. Now he is setting up 800 numbers to slam Sportbet because they didn't give him enough money? Of course he is slamming the Rx as well because we didn't do the 48 hour mediation or respond back to his 30 e-mails the way he wanted. I told him repeatedly I would do it but he needed to relax, mediation isn't a 2 hour process. Right now he will talk of a tape where someone angered him and that is his latest excsue for all this. That is his "reason" now for wanting more money, all the rest has fallen off or been exposed by now. Sportbet to their credit on that allegation said it is possible someone got irritated at him and said something out of line, they have over 100 employees. Anyone that has talked to Hammy knows he likes to scream and holler at clerks on the phone. In fact Carl said if someone was out of line with Hammy he would address that, he wanted to. However this big issue Hammy has on a book has shown to be bogus to date. This case fell apart quicker than a Boston Red Sox bullpen and this rude phone call is all that is left now. When I called he wouldn't even share the tape with me so hard for me to comment on that. All Hammy kept saying was for me to tell Sportbet how much trouble they were in and how much hell he is going to cause them if they don't pay him more than they have now. Yawn....
Thanks Sportbet for coming forward with all the information. They have gave him his money back and booted him. Same thing I think is going to have to be done here. The ony thing Sportbet did wrong in my eyes was be classy enough to give him his mney back. I hope they don't waste any more time on this. I am sure he will be looking to split hairs here and find a cointrary statement but the facts are easy to see. I wouldn't have given him a quarter had I been Sportbet. I will step aside so he can tell me I am a sell out for not taking his side and we are defending an advertiser. I am sure the lines are well rehearsed and that is part of this intense pressure plan he has in store for us. The game is getting old Hammy and we are close to the end of playing it with you.....
Now, who is supporting scammers?
EOM
Hammy played in the casino and lost his $1400 dollars. End of story. He was caught in not one but several lies. At first he swore to IBet he hadn't played in the casino at all, then later he changed it to say he had played but only before the NBA game. Yeah right. After that misrepresentation he claimed he was in bed by 1023PM that night. RPM mentioned above he had posted here after 12 yet besides that I still have an e-mail from him that same night - 1123PM. Again another lie unless he was sleepwalking somehow. This is just the beginning.
Then according to Hammy some poor soul stole Hammy's money while he was sleeping. Yep, he had $1400 dollars in his account yet it disappeared. After the complaint was made Sportbet checked IP's numbers. From the initial Hammy deposit which was by credit card and where he signed up it was always the same IP #. They asked if he had a wife, sister, brother anyone else who lived there? Hammy said no. They compared it to the sportbook wagers, and then from there compared it to the IP # losing the money in the casino. Each and every time it was the same computer. Even still Sportbet told us here at the RX his IP # (before we told them what his was) and what they gave us again is the same IP # as in all the other action they had plus the same one he posts with here at the RX. If someone lost that money they must have done it while the sleepwalking Hammy was posting here and sending e-mails. Though caught dead to rice on both issues Hammy is not quitting yet.
After he was caught on this situation he then asked for and received a complete log of all the action on his account. A complete breakdown of the blackjack hands. Immediately he noticed some of the numbers on the breakdown were 36 and up. This was his latest attack on Sportbet, how could there be numbers like 36 in blackjack? Again Hammy is trying to find something to hang his hat on or where he can say he was cheated. Then he can demand his money back. He raised a huge stink on this only for it to be explained that aces show up as 11 on these sheets. Once again there was a simple explanation. Beyond this if he had not lost the money playing blackjack and someone stole it as he alleges why call them out on the numbers now? Like I said, it was one lie after another in this whole thing. It became obvious this was a case of what defense lawyers use, throw buckets and buckets of mud along the side of a barn and hope something will stick.
Throughout all this Hammy has made their life a living hell over there. He has called and raised cane, made tapes of calls and threatend the whole time of what a big case this was and how he had Sportbet's balls in his hands. It was up to him if he squeezed and if they didn't resolve it Hammy was going to be on them for the rest of his life. Though everything Hammy said was a lie Sportbet knew he was a poster here and decided to give him his money back just so they could get rid of him. Like everyone else it is becoming clear what kind of guy we are dealing with. They went ahead and closed his account yet GAVE HAMMY HIS $450 DEPOSIT BACK!!! Case closed right? Well of course Hammy accepts the money but now he has decided he wants more. I see he posted over at MW he would have accepted $1000 but the $450 wasn't enough.
Frankly this has gone on too much with this kid. If I have a say this guy won't be around much longer. It is one thing after another, he needs a break. He has tried to tarnish the names of many books around here. Sometimes he does it quietly through e-mails that never make the forums but several books can vouch for what I am saying. He has dug up old posts from 6 months ago and tried to go back and hold a book up to see what he can get. I liked the kid but enough is enough. He lied about playing, he lied about being in bed asleep, he lied about the IP #'s, he lied about using the casino, he has lied repeatedly in this whole thing and still got his money back but is not happy. Now he is setting up 800 numbers to slam Sportbet because they didn't give him enough money? Of course he is slamming the Rx as well because we didn't do the 48 hour mediation or respond back to his 30 e-mails the way he wanted. I told him repeatedly I would do it but he needed to relax, mediation isn't a 2 hour process. Right now he will talk of a tape where someone angered him and that is his latest excsue for all this. That is his "reason" now for wanting more money, all the rest has fallen off or been exposed by now. Sportbet to their credit on that allegation said it is possible someone got irritated at him and said something out of line, they have over 100 employees. Anyone that has talked to Hammy knows he likes to scream and holler at clerks on the phone. In fact Carl said if someone was out of line with Hammy he would address that, he wanted to. However this big issue Hammy has on a book has shown to be bogus to date. This case fell apart quicker than a Boston Red Sox bullpen and this rude phone call is all that is left now. When I called he wouldn't even share the tape with me so hard for me to comment on that. All Hammy kept saying was for me to tell Sportbet how much trouble they were in and how much hell he is going to cause them if they don't pay him more than they have now. Yawn....
Thanks Sportbet for coming forward with all the information. They have gave him his money back and booted him. Same thing I think is going to have to be done here. The ony thing Sportbet did wrong in my eyes was be classy enough to give him his mney back. I hope they don't waste any more time on this. I am sure he will be looking to split hairs here and find a cointrary statement but the facts are easy to see. I wouldn't have given him a quarter had I been Sportbet. I will step aside so he can tell me I am a sell out for not taking his side and we are defending an advertiser. I am sure the lines are well rehearsed and that is part of this intense pressure plan he has in store for us. The game is getting old Hammy and we are close to the end of playing it with you.....
Now, who is supporting scammers?
EOM
Still, I may be one of SEVERAL RX posters who are curious as to the real deal with Panther and Sea.
Does Panther owe Sea $$$?
If so, Panther, will you pay?
If not, how did this story get started?
Vegas Guy
Not the name calling, but yes, PART of this story MUST be told (if true) in the regular pro football forum.
Beginnning to wonder how many there really play honest $$$. Less than half, for certain.
GOOD LUCK!
Rex
Does Panther owe Sea $$$?
If so, Panther, will you pay?
If not, how did this story get started?
Vegas Guy
Not the name calling, but yes, PART of this story MUST be told (if true) in the regular pro football forum.
Beginnning to wonder how many there really play honest $$$. Less than half, for certain.
GOOD LUCK!
Rex
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by panther:
well
trying to figture if I want to swear out the warrant to send this scammer to jail for 10 to 20
sea the mag already has the voice mail tape
panther<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Can we get more of your side panther?
well
trying to figture if I want to swear out the warrant to send this scammer to jail for 10 to 20
sea the mag already has the voice mail tape
panther<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Can we get more of your side panther?
This is an old and familiar story. Two guys meet and get a little friendly. One gambles but still has assets and the connections. The other is a degenerate, and almost busted out, but somewhat likeable gambler. One thing leads to another, stuff like, can you get me down with a local? New buddies always like to help each other out, so a deal is made, everything is cool, UNTIL it happens. As soon as one (especially the bust out) blows a piece of change, the stiff process begins. Phone calls, EMs, Forum posts all go unansewered. Panther is now taking the high ground with his "I'm calling the cops" bullshit. When this thing is over, the bottom line will be that nothing at all will happen except SeaUrchin will be out the money Panther lost. Same old story. Ad Infinitum.
wil.
wil.
boy panther has reached rock bottom
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by panther:
sea
here are the charges is was told
fraud
communicating a threat
extortion threating life and bodily injury to collect a illgal debt
bookingmaking
being a agent for a internet gambling site(the mag seemed to like this one alot)
panther<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by panther:
sea
here are the charges is was told
fraud
communicating a threat
extortion threating life and bodily injury to collect a illgal debt
bookingmaking
being a agent for a internet gambling site(the mag seemed to like this one alot)
panther<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
panther did you lose the bets or not if so pay the man and move on
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by panther:
well guys
I did pay 4 times
until I was tipped that the first time I was owed that he would say that the book stiffed him.
he has done this before and I talked in person to them in char this past week
panther<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by panther:
well guys
I did pay 4 times
until I was tipped that the first time I was owed that he would say that the book stiffed him.
he has done this before and I talked in person to them in char this past week
panther<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by seaurchin2217:
**** you pat
your gd 126 will be paid in full<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Let me fill the blanks in here as I am totally shocked by this turn of events, LOL. How'd the RX get to be the blame?? For starters I was 100% on Sea Urchins side when this started. I come home from visiting a sick relative and I get a message from Sea yelling on the answering machine today...
Real nice Pat, I knew you and that JEW BASTARD would be on Panthers side....
There was more but that was enough for me to get hot about this. Let me tell you something, Sea Urchin went from what was right in this to a total jackass in my book. He sounded like Banned4Life and other redneck racists with that sort of talk he left on my machine, I hope he's only drunk tonight. If not he does need to move on, we aren't interested in the hate that others specialize in.
For the issue itself, the thread was moved from off-shore for a couple of reasons as I told Sea on the phone this morning. First it wasn't smart to be talking in such detail on a public forum what went on, certainly not off-shore. I told him this morning I was told exactly that by my own lawyer on a completely unrelated case. He's talking about taking bets, laying them off to bookies, using bank accounts to transfer money, and then sending gambling earnings by Netteller to settle up with off shore books. NONE of that is what we need here right now.
The second reason is right or wrong we don't want off-shore to become stomping grounds for these sort of inter-personal wars. In fact when Krackman busted on Uncle we moved that thread down here immediately. This despite the fact Uncle is not an RX fan any longer since he quit working here. Why wouldn't we leave that one up there in off-shore where an RX hater was being bashed? Simple, the reason is no matter who is right or wrong we don't want it up there. Everyone who needed to know about this would soon find it down here. All that happenned was Sea suddenly went from taking responsibility for his actions to blaming me and that "Jew bastard" for him getting stiffed. The reality is I told Sea this morning I was going to move it and HE WAS FINE WITH IT. I believe he probably got encouraged to "not let the RX push you around" so he came out firing at us to impress others.
In addition to this, all the last week I have tried to get Sea his money. He told me the story and I was completely on his side upon hearing it. I have been trying to talk some sense into Panther so we could resolve this and keep it off the forums. Sea knew this and you can check my phone bills as proof. In fact last night I got Panther to agree to pay $800 which he owed to APEX that Sea had paid out of his own pocket. I know it wasn't the whole thing but hell that was a good start and I was excited to tell Sea of the good news. All he needed to do was keep cool until Friday, then we can work on the rest after Panther paid it. I was doing this on my own time, I really felt bad for Sea. I told Sea the good news this morning and though he was pissed at Panther I was really glad to have gotten back some of the money. How I went from there to it being me and the "Jew bastards fault" I am anxious to hear myself.
I got to say I liked Sea but this was a man who got stiffed on account of no one else but him. Sea can look himself in the mirror and see who is to blame. It's always the guy you try to help the most that stabs you in the back. I didn't even know Sea that well when he asked me to put a $600 play in at Pinnacle for him, the bet won and I hand delivered his money to him in Vegas. I say this only to point out I never heard a bad word from him about me or vice versa until tonight. I have no idea what is going on in his head though I was told Sea was "encouraged" to blame us for this. Once the blame was put on the RX he became a hero to some. I don't know if that is true but I know for a fact up until an hour ago no one here was pulling for Sea to get his money more than I was. I was actively trying to help him!
That's the rest of the story as I know it. Sorry to pollute this thread with any logical talk.
**** you pat
your gd 126 will be paid in full<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Let me fill the blanks in here as I am totally shocked by this turn of events, LOL. How'd the RX get to be the blame?? For starters I was 100% on Sea Urchins side when this started. I come home from visiting a sick relative and I get a message from Sea yelling on the answering machine today...
Real nice Pat, I knew you and that JEW BASTARD would be on Panthers side....
There was more but that was enough for me to get hot about this. Let me tell you something, Sea Urchin went from what was right in this to a total jackass in my book. He sounded like Banned4Life and other redneck racists with that sort of talk he left on my machine, I hope he's only drunk tonight. If not he does need to move on, we aren't interested in the hate that others specialize in.
For the issue itself, the thread was moved from off-shore for a couple of reasons as I told Sea on the phone this morning. First it wasn't smart to be talking in such detail on a public forum what went on, certainly not off-shore. I told him this morning I was told exactly that by my own lawyer on a completely unrelated case. He's talking about taking bets, laying them off to bookies, using bank accounts to transfer money, and then sending gambling earnings by Netteller to settle up with off shore books. NONE of that is what we need here right now.
The second reason is right or wrong we don't want off-shore to become stomping grounds for these sort of inter-personal wars. In fact when Krackman busted on Uncle we moved that thread down here immediately. This despite the fact Uncle is not an RX fan any longer since he quit working here. Why wouldn't we leave that one up there in off-shore where an RX hater was being bashed? Simple, the reason is no matter who is right or wrong we don't want it up there. Everyone who needed to know about this would soon find it down here. All that happenned was Sea suddenly went from taking responsibility for his actions to blaming me and that "Jew bastard" for him getting stiffed. The reality is I told Sea this morning I was going to move it and HE WAS FINE WITH IT. I believe he probably got encouraged to "not let the RX push you around" so he came out firing at us to impress others.
In addition to this, all the last week I have tried to get Sea his money. He told me the story and I was completely on his side upon hearing it. I have been trying to talk some sense into Panther so we could resolve this and keep it off the forums. Sea knew this and you can check my phone bills as proof. In fact last night I got Panther to agree to pay $800 which he owed to APEX that Sea had paid out of his own pocket. I know it wasn't the whole thing but hell that was a good start and I was excited to tell Sea of the good news. All he needed to do was keep cool until Friday, then we can work on the rest after Panther paid it. I was doing this on my own time, I really felt bad for Sea. I told Sea the good news this morning and though he was pissed at Panther I was really glad to have gotten back some of the money. How I went from there to it being me and the "Jew bastards fault" I am anxious to hear myself.
I got to say I liked Sea but this was a man who got stiffed on account of no one else but him. Sea can look himself in the mirror and see who is to blame. It's always the guy you try to help the most that stabs you in the back. I didn't even know Sea that well when he asked me to put a $600 play in at Pinnacle for him, the bet won and I hand delivered his money to him in Vegas. I say this only to point out I never heard a bad word from him about me or vice versa until tonight. I have no idea what is going on in his head though I was told Sea was "encouraged" to blame us for this. Once the blame was put on the RX he became a hero to some. I don't know if that is true but I know for a fact up until an hour ago no one here was pulling for Sea to get his money more than I was. I was actively trying to help him!
That's the rest of the story as I know it. Sorry to pollute this thread with any logical talk.
McIrish wrote
I have no idea what is going on in his head though I was told Sea was "encouraged" to blame us for this. Once the blame was put on the RX he became a hero to some
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Who encouraged Sea to blame "us"?
I would think Seas main priority would be to get his 3 dimes back.
I have no idea what is going on in his head though I was told Sea was "encouraged" to blame us for this. Once the blame was put on the RX he became a hero to some
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Who encouraged Sea to blame "us"?
I would think Seas main priority would be to get his 3 dimes back.
panther wrote
well guys
I did pay 4 times
until I was tipped that the first time I was owed that he would say that the book stiffed him.
he has done this before and I talked in person to them in char this past week
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This is extremely hard for me to believe.
The facts are--
Panther prior to having his action booked was on an admitted downward spiral this season.
McIrish just confirmed he was going to get a partial payment from panther to begin to resolve the situation.
Add to this the fact that booze and gambling dont mix and the insult of bringing the authorities into the picture
Be a man and pay up!!!
well guys
I did pay 4 times
until I was tipped that the first time I was owed that he would say that the book stiffed him.
he has done this before and I talked in person to them in char this past week
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This is extremely hard for me to believe.
The facts are--
Panther prior to having his action booked was on an admitted downward spiral this season.
McIrish just confirmed he was going to get a partial payment from panther to begin to resolve the situation.
Add to this the fact that booze and gambling dont mix and the insult of bringing the authorities into the picture
Be a man and pay up!!!
