they wouldn't have a chance even going undefeated. they play TCU and Utah, but that wouldn't be enough to get by a FLA, USC, OU, GA etc ALL with one loss. Even with 2 losses one of those teams would most likely get by them to the BCS title game. See LSU last year. See Hawaii, and Boise St the last two years consecutively. this isn't just my opinion, it's from a few of the pollsters that I speak with that know a lot about the in/outs of the BCS system.
they wouldn't have a chance even going undefeated. they play TCU and Utah, but that wouldn't be enough to get by a FLA, USC, OU, GA etc ALL with one loss. Even with 2 losses one of those teams would most likely get by them to the BCS title game. See LSU last year. See Hawaii, and Boise St the last two years consecutively. this isn't just my opinion, it's from a few of the pollsters that I speak with that know a lot about the in/outs of the BCS system.
I'm not sure it's a quote/unqoute black-and-white BCS rule, but the pollsters won't vote a team that didn't win its conference into the BCS game again. Here's a link that probably does a better job than me right now as I'm pressed for time with WNBA stuff.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2685195
I'm not saying I like it or agree with it, but it's the way things are. I was playing cards with a few of the voters a few days ago and asked them about BYU and Utah, and OU and USC, and the SEC. They were pretty certain and showed me some math models. They (I) could be wrong, and that is part of what makes college football GREAT! I wish there was a playoff system, I mean outside of the 12 game playoffs that is the NCAA football season as stands.
one other thing...
Ball State has a very, very good shot at going undefeated this year. We could be looking at more than 2 undefeated teams once again. Ball State, USC, one from the SEC, Utah/Byu. What a mess it could be. It might be a good idea to bet Ball State in the rest of their games, the oddsmakers still seem to undervalue them despite going unbeaten ATS. I've made some sweet coin off them so far and I'm laying 17 this week.
Ball State has a very, very good shot at going undefeated this year. We could be looking at more than 2 undefeated teams once again. Ball State, USC, one from the SEC, Utah/Byu. What a mess it could be. It might be a good idea to bet Ball State in the rest of their games, the oddsmakers still seem to undervalue them despite going unbeaten ATS. I've made some sweet coin off them so far and I'm laying 17 this week.
What sucks is that the Big-10 or Pac-10 do not play a championship game. That extra game is another obstacle standing in the way of the National Championship. The SEC battles each other all season and tries to go undefeated and if they do, then its another challenge in Atlanta before they announce who goes to Miami. In defense of Florida their schedule is "easier" this year if you want to call it that. Year after year Florida's strength of schedule is pretty tough along with most of the schools in the SEC. The Big-10 is down and so is the ACC. So you have the Big-12, PAC-10, and SEC. Oklahoma and USC went to the big game a couple years after Auburn got snubbed and OK got waxed. I can promise you that the SEC will not be left out of the National Championship again if they are there at the end.
IF UGA and UF can remain undefeated until 11-1 it will be the biggest and most anticipated game of the year by far. It will determine who goes to the SEC championship. By that time UF and UGA will have faced LSU and most of their tough games. The "outdoor cocktail party" will be huge and people from all around the country will be watching no matter what conference affiliation they are. You can speculate all you want but only time will tell.
The only way BYU will get in is if USC, OK, UGA, UF...etc lose 2 or more games, which I highly doubt will happen. Until the end of the season comes we can only continue to make money and fade the public as they make their picks based on dumb logic.
Happy Hunting Fellas!!
IF UGA and UF can remain undefeated until 11-1 it will be the biggest and most anticipated game of the year by far. It will determine who goes to the SEC championship. By that time UF and UGA will have faced LSU and most of their tough games. The "outdoor cocktail party" will be huge and people from all around the country will be watching no matter what conference affiliation they are. You can speculate all you want but only time will tell.
The only way BYU will get in is if USC, OK, UGA, UF...etc lose 2 or more games, which I highly doubt will happen. Until the end of the season comes we can only continue to make money and fade the public as they make their picks based on dumb logic.
Happy Hunting Fellas!!
Again, this is incorrect. Have you seen how FAR in front USC is in both the AP and Coaches polls? USC has 62 first place votes in the AP and 56 in the Coaches, whereas OU has ZERO first place votes in the AP and a mere TWO in the Coaches. Yet you're telling me that OU is going to somehow leapfrog them? That over HALF of the current AP and Coaches pollsters will be switching their 1st place votes from USC to OU?
Please look:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex
Whatsmore, OU is BARELY holding on to the #2 spots currently. UGA, in fact, has MORE first place votes than them in the AP and the same amount in the Coaches. OU is the one who will be DROPPING in both polls before USC does. Come the end of the year, UGA or UF will have taken over the #2 spots in BOTH human polls, OU will be #3 in both, and USC will still be #1 in both.
Bottom line, this is why your argument doesn't work because mathematically it'd be impossible for OU to leapfrog, despite having a slight advantage in the computers over USC (which no one is arguing they won't).
yes, and that is where everyone in the mix pretty much should be, right now. But keep this in mind. No #1 EVER has fallen 3 PLACES as EARLY as Georgia did without losing a game!!
USC should be where they are b/c they beat a then highly ranked Ohio State. OU hasn't played anyone yet. When they get to Texas Tech, if they are undefeated, they may have already overtaken USC, but it depends on what the competition has done and the teams they beat and so on. If OU beats Tech they will be close, but if they when the Big12 title game that is when the pollsters 'decide' who they want in the title game. Yes they pretty much decide with their votes. Remember when Cal was somewhat snubbed by Texas to go to their first Rose Bowl game? Those title games can really hurt a team, but they can help them just as much if not more because the voters see those teams and are a lot more 'fresh' in their minds and influence their decisions. Forgot to turn the Bold off.
I think it was about this time last season that there was this same kind of silly thread started about who was going to be left out between the three undefeated teams USC, LSU and OU. And none of these teams ended up getting out of the season with less than 2 losses....Do I have to remind everybody that it's EARLY.
ATX - Yes, it is all about how the polls work and I'm afraid you don't understand how they do. It's all about first place votes in these polls, the number in (paranthesis). My point is this... There's no way OU can overtake USC in the human polls for two reasons. First, USC is way too far out in front currently in terms of first place votes and OU would need to get more than half of the current pollsters who have USC #1 to not only abandon USC, but to vote OU #1 over BOTH the SEC team and USC. That is NOT going to happen which is why OU will never be #1 in both polls. Sure, USC will lose some of their current number of first place votes (62 and 56 respectively) here and there along the way, but those will probably be distributed evenly amongst UGA, UF, and OU. OU will get the LEAST amount of first place votes and thus will never be able to gain either of the #1 overall spots in human polls. And without having the #1 spots in the human polls, OU will not be able to finish #2 behind the SEC in the overall BCS ratings, even despite OU being slightly ahead of USC in the computers portion.
IF (and that is a BIG IF) Georgia goes into LSU and beats them, beats Alabama, Auburn (at georgia) and goes into the cocktail party to beat Florida. USC won't have any first place votes left... no pollster in their right mind is going to put anyone but Georgia #1 if they run thru that schedule unscathed.
By the same theory if USC doesn't keep dominating everyone and has a few close games against a Stanford or a Cal, and Oklahoma keeps crushing people and trounces Mizzou and Texas... don't be surpised to see USC falling to #3 in the coaches and AP polls. It is NOT a stretch to see USC falling and UF/UGA and OU passing them. All it takes is a few non-impressive games vs impressive games (look at UGA vs SC and USC vs Ohio State for examples of that drop).
If Georgia can drop from 1 to 3 without losing a game, so can USC.
By the same theory if USC doesn't keep dominating everyone and has a few close games against a Stanford or a Cal, and Oklahoma keeps crushing people and trounces Mizzou and Texas... don't be surpised to see USC falling to #3 in the coaches and AP polls. It is NOT a stretch to see USC falling and UF/UGA and OU passing them. All it takes is a few non-impressive games vs impressive games (look at UGA vs SC and USC vs Ohio State for examples of that drop).
If Georgia can drop from 1 to 3 without losing a game, so can USC.
If USC dominates their opponents for the most part they won't get dropped. They made the one statement that no team can in terms of a OOC game. This along with how they destroyed the teams they were supposed to are why they went to #1 to begin with. Either way they can care less as long as they get there.
However all of this is for not as Georgia under no circumstances will finish undefeated.
USC could go 12-0 and it would mean absolutely nothing. They didn't have a legit threat on their schedule all yr. And them winning the title game wouldn't mean they deserved a spot either. As we have seen, any team can win the title game once there. It's getting there that matters, and USC seems to feel it's their birthright. Why is USC currently #1 anyways? For routing a pathetic Virginia team and an OSU team missing their best player? It's all a hype machine about the $$$. USC is a top 10 team clearly, but they havent proven anything that the other top teams haven't
