Octogenarian Federer might have a chance now....

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I agree that Rafas body won't hold up as long as feds. That isn't even really a debate as I imagine Rafas got a couple years left if he remains injury free and then he'll run his academies and enjoy the fruits of his labor but we're not there yet. I will disagree on one point, that he is not the same player he was several years ago. I think this is as close to his old form as he has gotten. Moya has made the technical adjustments and they weren't huge to help counter the passage of time. He's still got the legs, he can still get around the court as good as anybody where he was lacking was getting much on the ball when he got there. They talked about how they changed the balance of his racquet and made it head heavy to let his stick take over some of the effort he used to be able to create. The result is balls are flying off his racquet again. Just last year he was struggling as many of his balls were landing short and guys were able to attack off balls that were traditionally safe balls for him but they are back to being just that and allow him to set up to crack forehands again. The only way to get to him now is take those balls early and drive them deep and take away all Rafas time, Dimi did that yesterday and Zverev was able to and Djoker is consistently able and that is why Djoker is the best player in the world and why Zverev and Dimi are projected slam winners and potential future number 1s. Dimi and Zverev are tall guys so a higher jumping ball they can take better than your average 6 ft'er. That is something that Roger has struggled with against Rafa his entire career. That depth, pace and spin is back and better it's back when he's stretched.

As for Sundays match I only see it going one way, A Rafa win.

I look at this as Rafa close to his prime form again and Fed well past his. I am unconvinced at best by Rogers tourny. It's an amazing story and I am happy for him but what a dream draw. Not that Rafa himself didn't get some help but Murray would have spanked Roger I am quite certain. As it is Berdych is a shell of his former self and that former self was a shell of a real top 10 player. It's a good looking win on paper but anything other than a straight set victory would have shocked me. Nishikori again a nice win on paper but if there is anybody in the top 5 you'd play it'd be him. He's got no real weapon outside being rock steady but over 5 you should be able to break that down as the superior talent. Roger did but an in form Roger takes that in 4, it made me think he's playing well enough but he's not up to his own high standards yet. Zverev, how lucky he was that Murray lost but an ideal match up. No threat to Roger and give Roger an average server and a target and I'll show you an easy victory lol. Stan to me was the test but Stan came out defeated. How Roger looks vs Rafa is how Stan entered against Fed. Like he stepped on court thinking I can't win this. Controlling rallies, but for whatever reason was just unwilling to finish, Roger was content to let him self destruct, he didn't do anything spectacular to go up 2. Then Stan when down finally started playing like he's capable and it wasn't close. He was so dominant. Then to the 5th he's back to that mess he started with. The belief left him again. If he went out and took it to Stan I would be more impressed but this was Stans game to win or lose and he chose to lose it. Fed seemed helpless to the outcome of that match it just went his way. I just didn't see Fed being in control and to be at his best he needs to be the one dictating.

contrast that to Rafas draw. He was lucky to not have to face Djoker but younger Zverev probably played better, bigger and with more confidence and belief than did Berdych Nishikori or his older brother did. He played like a kid with nothing to lose and just oozing raw potential. That was a monster clash and both just traded bigger and bigger strokes all match. Rafa eventually broke the kids body down but that was vintage Rafa, hitting big running down everything, moving his guy everywhere making him hit a ton of extra balls and punishing him for it. Raonic was in great form coming in and he made him look lost. He took a huge serve and huge forehand and made them look pathetic. Monfils was a routine win much like Berdych and Zverev for Fed... On to Dimitrov...Dimitrov delivered last night what Fed could only hope to deliver. It was a master class in being fed and it wasn't enough. Dimi was bigger off both wings than Fed is capable, he was better off at cutting off high bouncing balls, he took away time better, he was relentless and worse of all he was overflowing confidence. He made shots last night that just boggled my mind, shots he had no business making and he was painting lines all night and Rafa just stayed there with him all night. Vintage Rafa again, you gotta play out of your mind to beat me. It was just beautiful tennis and I don't think Roger has that form in him right now, especially against Rafa and not the way Rafa is playing right now. Rogers ball is going to give him more time to work around than Dimis did. There couldn't have been a better warm up for Fed than Dimitrov, not that Rafa needed the primer as well as these 2 know each other but he got it and he's going to see a lesser version than hes seen in years past. I honestly believe that guys picking fed are just hoping cause they want to see it so bad but nothing based on performance has me believing he can be in this other than he is the great roger federer and that gives him a wing and a prayer. Anybody thinking this Rafa isn't light years ahead of the one of the last 2 seasons isn't paying enough attention this is prime time Rafa and I would not expect a flattering scoreline for fed.

that all said I could always be wrong lol
 

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Pretty much agree. I don't see how Fed can beat him at all.... especially considering the mental side. But the fact the line is what it is.... that tells me something is not right with the way I'm seeing it.

I am not sold on Dimi for the future. Zverev, however, is now (IMO) the brightest future star I've seen in years. All these guys promised to be the next level and era.... all have gone and sucked dicks.

Zverev to win > 5 slams? Sounds kind of ridiculous but the kid is amazing... and only a teenager.
 

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neither one of these guys make the final if Nole/Murray don't get upset. So both are very fortunate


Nole is 7-0 in last 7 Vs Nadal, clearly including 3-0 on clay. Good grief. He's catching Nadal on his decline ...no one is immune to time, clearly. Kinda like Nadal's dominance of fed ON CLAYand playing Fed as he got into his 30's-- polarizing the numbers. How did Fed beat Nadal at 33 yrs of age at Basel? Ugh








if this final goes 5, forget it, Nadal wins . Fed's legs were giving out vs Stan. Thought Stan got tight in the 5th, just like Dimi.




Nadal looks VERY COMFORTABLE out there, pounding everything back. Fed has had to go the distance twice . Nadal will force him to play many more balls , with less UE than Nish/Stan.


This line is too low. Nadal should be much higher imo
 

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shits and giggles;

in their last 12 matches, Nole Vs Nadal

11-1 for Nole.....with the last 5 all won in straights. Reportedly, Nadal sent Istomin a thank you text following the match........




runmaker, I agree Zverev is the best young talent out there. At 19, so far in his terribly young career has beatin'-- wawrinka, federer, Nole, Nish

safe to say a raw talent
 

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No doubt about Nole. He owns Rafa worse than Rafa owns Fed. But Rafa at least fights to the death whereas Fed bends over and cries.


I was thinking that if Rafa wins here, then he could #16 in just a few months. The only man who can beat him in the FO is Nole. And Nole has gone AWOL.

If Fed loses tomorrow, Rafa probably will overtake as the greatest in the world's eyes... even though I don't agree with that. And it'll be funny b/c if Rafa is the greatest..... there's no doubt that Nole is better than Rafa.


Need Fed here big-time. Roger might jump off a Swiss mountain and kill himself if Rafa beats him down.
 

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.....I don't think Roger will kill himself if he loses, but we may lose some of his diehard fans...:missingte
 

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From an odds standpoint I agree with you. However, from a "Rafa owning Fed" standpoint, I cannot. If it's a 3-setter not on clay, I could agree with near 50-50 all day long. However, when you're talking 5-setters it becomes a different animal. If Fed was up 2-0 sets on Rafa like he was vs. Stan, he would've lost 3-2 the way he finished that match. He got lucky.

I've been through this many times as a Fed fan. Always holding out hope and going against reality. But it's the same every time. Fed knows he has lost before he has even stepped on to the court. It is absolutely disgusting. And that's one of the main reasons he loses.... when he could definitely win.

If you watch the Fed/Rafa match in Rome (the classic) you can see a young man who didn't have that mental block against Rafa and wasn't defeated. Nowadays, quite frankly, he is Rafa's bitch.


The pattern is the same. Fed comes out the gate playing like a God and it looks like Rafa has no chance. But Rafa starts to slowly grind him down and eventually Roger turns into a quitting bitch. Then Fed fades and just quits.

If Fed had some of Rafa's mentality, he would be bar-none without a doubt the greatest tennis player to have ever walked the earth.



Getting back to the Sunday match.... I do hold out hope for Roger given the way the court is playing. Plus, Rafa is not the same player he was several years ago and that is mainly b/c his game is based off of maximum athleticism. Rafa cannot be at the level Fed is at at 35 years old (5 years from now). It just won't be possible. However, since he is 30 he can still play near the top with that physical approach.

Exactly! It's incredible what a mental midget crybaby Federer has become when facing Nadal. 2 for 30 in break points in grand slam finals in back to back years vs Nadal! Imagine what would have been if Federer converts at least one of ten break points in the FIRST SET of the 2007 French finals!!!
 

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I don't like Serena but I'd like to see a strap-on porno of Serena pounding Sharapova over a tennis net on center court.

Would be funny as hell. But I guess Serena could use her own penis instead of a strap-on.... so there you go.
 

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Buried.


Did not make one bet on the match, but it's the fact that Rafa will literally drive a spear through Federer's heart in the final. One final ultimate beatdown in front of a world audience.... and they will never play in a slam final again.

This is going to be sickening.
Start a thread saying dude has a chance, then makes it to the finals and says he has no shot. Put down the crack pipe
 

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Start a thread saying dude has a chance, then makes it to the finals and says he has no shot. Put down the crack pipe

What he said was fair. He did have a chance, if it all shook out right. Drawing Nadal in the final is a tough blow, just reality. There is always a chance but not like there would have been had he faced anybody else that made the quarters or semis.
 

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Sunday, Jan 29, 2017 - Australian Open Match
03:00 AMNadal, Rafael-1½-107-130Ov41½-113Ov21-125Un21-105
Federer, Roger+1½-109+114Un41½-103Ov21-110Un21-120
03:10 AMR. Nadal Sets-2½+400
R. Federer Sets+2½-500
03:10 AMR. Nadal Sets+2½-625
R. Federer Sets-2½+475

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