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one month max. Get in and get out if you felt the need to go in. 10 years is dumb. No plan and no amount of money would have made it successful. It wasn't winnable.

Once again I must repeat myself…

It would have been a success if handled properly.

In July 2007, President Bush explained:

I know some in Washington would like us to start leaving Iraq now. To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region, and for the United States. It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.

Bush was Nostradamus and he didn’t even realize it.
 

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I think the only past president to criticize other administrations over the last 30 years was the putz Carter.

you know Obama is going to, I'll lay heavy odds
 

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OIF was not "one of the worst wars in American history"

You are comically stupid.

Lol, Iraq will go down as one of the worst decisions in American history. That's a fact. It literally accomplished nothing and just made the place worse and more dangerous and vulnerable.
 

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I would remind you that Bush got approval from both House’s of Congress but that would be redundant.

You should watch this video of a 60 Minutes broadcast from 2004,and you might finally learn something.

The invasion of Iraq was discussed,and planned before 9/11 happened.

 

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You should watch this video of a 60 Minutes broadcast from 2004,and you might finally learn something.

The invasion of Iraq was discussed,and planned before 9/11 happened.


Unless it's from the right wing echo chamber, and already affirms the insane batshit crazy views The Terrorist Supporting POS already has, he's not interested in learning anything. Ignorance is bliss in his world.
 

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I have said a couple of times that Iraq could have worked if managed properly.

Read how it wasn’t managed properly and how I think it was done on purpose.

http://thefederalist.com/2014/06/13/obamas-wish-fulfilling-prophecy-in-iraq/

Just shocked you liberals are so concerned with the Iraqi people. I'm proud of you guys. Usually you hate everyone, especially the Middle East. But I guess your masters told you to care about Iraq, so I understand your dilemma. What country do you guys want to save next?
 

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Once again I must repeat myself…

It would have been a success if handled properly.

In July 2007, President Bush explained:

I know some in Washington would like us to start leaving Iraq now. To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region, and for the United States. It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.

Bush was Nostradamus and he didn’t even realize it.
no Bush was wrong then and is now. If they had a legit beef with Iraq, then 3-4 weeks of bombing the fuck out of them would do job. A better job than nation building for a decade.

They bled the US financially and with thousands of dead. Anyone could have told you that occupying Iraq was never going to work. Let them work out their shit themselves. Fix the US first before even thinking to occupy another country. They don't invade the USA and impose their morals on the US.

Like I said before, you have a legit beef with a country or need to find a terrorist then go get it done. Full force and quickly and get the fuck out. They will think twice before fucking with you again. Look at Japan.
 

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no Bush was wrong then and is now. If they had a legit beef with Iraq, then 3-4 weeks of bombing the fuck out of them would do job. A better job than nation building for a decade.

They bled the US financially and with thousands of dead. Anyone could have told you that occupying Iraq was never going to work. Let them work out their shit themselves. Fix the US first before even thinking to occupy another country. They don't invade the USA and impose their morals on the US.

Like I said before, you have a legit beef with a country or need to find a terrorist then go get it done. Full force and quickly and get the fuck out. They will think twice before fucking with you again. Look at Japan.

You lack reading skills. He said it in 2007 and hasn’t said jack shit since.

You can hump W all you want but that doesn’t change the fact the Obama screwed the pooch big time on this one.

Iran is coming to the rescue and will never leave. All is lost and Obama couldn’t be happier.

Years from now it will be déjà vu all over again. Bank on it.
 

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By The Associated Press…

Largest contingents of U.S. troops around the world include:

Afghanistan — 66,000

Japan — 50,937

Germany — 47,761

South Korea — 27,500

Kuwait — 16,012

Italy — 10,922

United Kingdom — 9,317

Kyrgyzstan — 3,628

Bahrain — 2,713

Spain — 1,727

Turkey — 1,505

Belgium — 1,174

Cuba — 996

Source: Department of Defense.

I’m sure Obama could have taken, say, 30,000 troops from the 1.4 billion around the world and stationed them in Iraq.

I see no reason to have troops in Germany, Italy, United Kingdom or Spain. That’s 60,000 right there. What are they guarding in those countries.
 

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You lack reading skills. He said it in 2007 and hasn’t said jack shit since.

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lol, I meant he was wrong then and in 2014 he is still wrong. Yes I am not the only one lacking reading skills perhaps?

The rest you said is true. maybe
 

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no Bush was wrong then and is now. If they had a legit beef with Iraq, then 3-4 weeks of bombing the fuck out of them would do job. A better job than nation building for a decade.

They bled the US financially and with thousands of dead. Anyone could have told you that occupying Iraq was never going to work. Let them work out their shit themselves. Fix the US first before even thinking to occupy another country. They don't invade the USA and impose their morals on the US.

Like I said before, you have a legit beef with a country or need to find a terrorist then go get it done. Full force and quickly and get the fuck out. They will think twice before fucking with you again. Look at Japan.
I like your thinking.
 

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BRILLIANT Article

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On Iraq, let’s ignore those who got it all wrong





By Paul Waldman June 13

President Obama said that though the U.S. has "enormous interest" in Iraq, it is "ultimately up to the Iraqis" to resolve their conflicts. He said the U.S. is looking at options to support the Iraqi government without sending in troops.

At noon today, President Obama issued his first statement on the deteriorating situation on Iraq. “This is not solely or even primarily a military challenge,” he said. “The United States will do our part, but understand that ultimately it’s up to the Iraqis as a sovereign nation to solve their problems.”
Obama left the door open to unspecified “actions,” but repeated that the Iraqis themselves had to seize the opportunity that the years of American effort gave them.
This will no doubt be greeted by the President’s opponents with something akin to apoplexy. They will be arguing that in fact the problem does have a military solution, that the U.S. can solve it, and that whatever is happening, everything would be better if we applied more force.

We have now reached the rather ironic situation in Iraq where we find ourselves allied with Iran in an effort to save the corrupt and thuggish government of Nouri al-Maliki, while the army we spent eight years training falls apart. I’m not going to pretend to have unique insight into Iraqi politics (I’d suggest reading Marc Lynch, for starters, as a way of getting up to speed on what has led to this point).

But there are few people who understand Iraq less than the Republican politicians and pundits who are being sought out for their comments on the current situation.
As you watch the debate on this issue, you should remind yourself that the most prominent voices being heard are the very ones who brought us the Iraq War in the first place, who promised that everything was simple and the only question was whether we’d be “strong” and “decisive” enough — the same thing they’re saying today. They’re the ones who swore that Saddam was in cahoots with Al Qaeda, that he had a terrifying arsenal of weapons of mass destruction, that the war would be quick, easy and cheap, that since Iraq was a largely secular country we wouldn’t have to worry about sectarian conflict, and that democracy would spread throughout the region in short order, bringing peace and prosperity along with it.

We can start with the man on every TV producer and print reporter’s speed dial, John McCain. McCain does provide something important to journalists: whatever the issue of the moment is, he can be counted on to offer angry, bitter criticism of the Obama administration, giving the “balance” every story needs. The fact that he has never demonstrated the slightest bit of understanding of Iraq is no bar at all to being the most quoted person on the topic.
For context, here’s a nice roundup of some of the things McCain said when he was pushing to invade Iraq in the first place. When asked if Iraqis were going to greet us as liberators, he answered, “Absolutely.” He said, “Post-Saddam Hussein Iraq is going to be paid for by the Iraqis” with their oil wealth (the war ended up costing the American taxpayer upwards of $2 trillion). And my favorite: “There is not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shias, so I think they can probably get along.”
The conflict between Sunnis and Shiites is the central dynamic of the Iraq conflict, of course. Yet today, the media once again seek out John McCain’s wisdom and insight on Iraq, which is kind of like saying, “Jeez, it looks like we might be lost — we really need to ask Mr. Magoo for directions.”

Of late, he has a habit of walking out in the middle of briefings where he might actually learn what’s going on so he can head to the cameras and express his dudgeon. His current genius idea is for the administration to rehire David Petraeus and send him to Iraq, where he’ll…do something or other. He showed his deep knowledge yesterday by saying “Al Qaeda is now the richest terrorist organization in history,” apparently unaware that ISIS, the group sweeping through Iraq, is not in fact the same thing as Al Qaeda.

And the rest of the neocon gang is getting back together. Here’s Lindsey Graham advocating for American airstrikes — and I promise you that if the administration does in fact launch them, Graham will say they weren’t “strong” enough. Here’s Max Boot saying that what we need is just short of another invasion of Iraq: “U.S. military advisers, intelligence personnel, Predators, and Special Operations Forces, along with enhanced military aid, in return for political reforms designed to bring Shiites and Sunnis closer together.” Former Bush administration official and torture advocate Marc Thiessen is appalled that Barack Obama squandered George W. Bush’s glorious Iraq victory.
And Bill Kristol, who may have done more than any single person outside the Bush administration to make the war a reality, and whose predictions and assessments about the war were so spectacularly wrong they constituted their own genre of stupidity? He’ll be on ABC News’ “This Week” on Sunday, so he can enlighten us about what’s really going on.

We’re facing yet another awful and complex situation in the Middle East where we have a limited set of options, and none of them are good. But whenever you hear anyone say that the answer is simple and that being “strong” is the key — as one conservative after another will no doubt be saying in the coming days — don’t forget what happened the last time the country listened to them.
 

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You should watch this video of a 60 Minutes broadcast from 2004,and you might finally learn something.

The invasion of Iraq was discussed,and planned before 9/11 happened.

Um, yeah, dumbass, because it was the official position of the US government that Saddam had WMD, would use them, and that regime change was necessary since 1998. It would be entirely irresponsible to hold such positions and not have a plan to act on them.

Way to "connect the dots" dope.

Watching you morons comment on this topic is quite funny.
 

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President Obama announced on Monday evening that US ground troops 'equipped for combat' are being sent to Iraq – just days after claiming that no American soldiers would be deployed to the war-torn country.
In a letter to Congress, the president said American troops will be returning to Iraq only three years after they left and their deployment began on Sunday.

Obama said that their only purpose will be to protect U.S. personnel and the embassy in Baghdad – and not to join in the fierce fighting raging outside the Iraqi capital.
The president did tell Congress, however, that American military personnel in Baghdad will be 'equipped for combat.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-American-embassy-days-saying-not-return.html

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President Obama announced on Monday evening that US ground troops 'equipped for combat' are being sent to Iraq – just days after claiming that no American soldiers would be deployed to the war-torn country.
In a letter to Congress, the president said American troops will be returning to Iraq only three years after they left and their deployment began on Sunday.

Obama said that their only purpose will be to protect U.S. personnel and the embassy in Baghdad – and not to join in the fierce fighting raging outside the Iraqi capital.
The president did tell Congress, however, that American military personnel in Baghdad will be 'equipped for combat.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-American-embassy-days-saying-not-return.html

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I already did asshole. That's why I started this thread. If they are there just to assist the US Personnel there to get out, great. If they engage in combat activity without being attacked, Obama will deserve every bit of scorn he gets for making the same stupid mistakes as the idiots before him did. Of course, with disingenuous hypocrites like you, no matter what he'd do is wrong, but you have less than zero credibility, and a total inability to be honest about anything, so the few sane people down here just laugh at the partisan hack garbage you spew.
 

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You should watch this video of a 60 Minutes broadcast from 2004,and you might finally learn something.

The invasion of Iraq was discussed,and planned before 9/11 happened.

no fucking shit, hence the thread about quotes from Democratic leaders

long before 9/11, Saddam murdered 300,000 to 1,000,000 people, Saddam had scores of massive graves of people he murdered, Saddam invaded neighboring countries, Saddam threatened neighboring countries, Saddam USED WMD on the Kurds who lived in Northern Iraq, Saddam made efforts to acquire just about every known WMD, Saddam tried to obtain missiles to reach Israel with WMD, Saddam financed terrorism, Saddam encouraged terrorism, Saddam rewarded terrorism, Saddam embraced terrorism, Saddam provided a safe haven for terrorists, Saddam provided terrorists with medical services

and Saddam violated one UN resolution followed by another for over a decade

all of this before 9/11, hence talk of his removal was a longstanding and ongoing event

if you could only connect a few dots, just the bare minimum, "you might finally learn something"
 

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Once again I must repeat myself…

It would have been a success if handled properly.

In July 2007, President Bush explained:

I know some in Washington would like us to start leaving Iraq now. To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region, and for the United States. It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.

Bush was Nostradamus and he didn’t even realize it.

sorry dave but it was going to be a cluster fuck no matter how it unfolded. should have stayed out then and should stay out now

lovely quote and all but bullshit rhetoric from a 2-digit IQ cvnt doesn't make him any less of a piece of shit

....he was wrong in 2002, he was wrong in 2007, and he'll be wrong in 2014

he, well Dick, destabilized a region based off a false premise to get revenge on the wrong people....it was never going to turn out right. and we'll probably make the same mistake again except this time will enlist Iran as our ally....then in 4 years will go back to anti-Iran rhetoric. just a fun little game to play to deflect attention off of ruinous domestic policy
 

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The invasion of Iraq was discussed,and planned before 9/11 happened.

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I love how you think you've stumbled onto some grand plot or something.

You were better off posting videos without comment.
 

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sorry dave but it was going to be a cluster fuck no matter how it unfolded. should have stayed out then and should stay out now

lovely quote and all but bullshit rhetoric from a 2-digit IQ cvnt doesn't make him any less of a piece of shit

....he was wrong in 2002, he was wrong in 2007, and he'll be wrong in 2014

he, well Dick, destabilized a region based off a false premise to get revenge on the wrong people....it was never going to turn out right. and we'll probably make the same mistake again except this time will enlist Iran as our ally....then in 4 years will go back to anti-Iran rhetoric. just a fun little game to play to deflect attention off of ruinous domestic policy

Iraq was stable while W was in office. Now it is not.

What changed?

Is it because W is longer President or because Obama is?

You can argue the war was wrong but you can’t argue the results.

And now as a last ditch effort Obama has decided that the enemy of our enemy is our friend.

Ya, that’ll work.
 

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