Ny Jets +5.5 at Pitt ..thoughts please

[WillWalk]

"This team [the Jets] could easily be undefeated."

Spare me. Every team could be undefeated if they only won all the games they lost. Trotting out this tired old cliche' works best with teams that have one, maybe two losses, like...(transition time)

the Beagles...



"P.S. McNabb is a better athlete than Brady."

I agree, but Brady's a better QB.

Still, looks to be Philly's year.

 

[kidslick]

quote from sportsbet

P.S. McNabb is a better athlete than Brady.

lol......hey s.b. as much as i agree with you on the eagles

if you had to have one quarterback to win you a superbbowl

if would have to be brady..he has been there done that already

i am HOPING philly does meet pitt again because we know what will happen in that game.

for the jet game this week i see a good game early jets have a great offensive line that will help them get an early lead..i do not think they get blown out here. i see a low scoring game here 16-13 final..

not sure who wins..

 

[sportsbet]

Hey I can't take anything away from what Brady has done in leading his team to two Super Bowl victories (without much of a running game). I never said he wasn't a good QB...he's just not as good as Donovan. :banger:


sb

 

[Dante]

MODS!! can you remove this beagle fan from my thread!!! thanks!!!

 

[sportsbet]

LOL! Dante :nono5: :WTF:

arty:

sb

 

[FairWarning]

I can see the Jets and the Bengals as the popular dogs this week. I like the Jets but public dogs don't seem to fare too well.

 

[MrGoodDr]

Those Houston Texan Dogs are My dogs this week...Maybe the Skins..Geezzzzz cant believe i said the Skins...

 

[ace0927]

NE beat themselves against Pittsburgh and that's not taking anything away from Pittsburgh, as yes they forced the TO's but NE certainly played like ****. Fumble on the kicoff and an INT return for TD by Pitt in the first Q set the tone and before the Pats even woke up, they were out of the game.

And yes Pit destroyed Philly, I will give them that but with that logic they should have destroyed any team that comes into the building and they haven't done so.

Lets not forget that the Eagles play in the NFC where most College teams would excel. NO one has any real feel for how good or bad the Eagles are. They are good, but in the AFC this team is more like a team surviving to make the playoffs as opposed to being 11-1.....Flame away!

As for the Jets, they have given up the LEAST points in the NFL. I dont care who they have played, no one scores against them. Also keep in mind that they gave up 52 of their 175 total points allowed in the first two weeks of the season (against SD, who is everyones favorite team all of a sudden, but when the Jets beat them it was a game they were supposed to win. If they play each other now in SD the Chargers are favs by atleast 3, and Cincy, who scored 58 points last week) before everyone completely understood the defensive scheme. This is a team that will be underestimated through the playoffs (if they make it) and will beat the supposed better teams (who arent really better). I am actually a bit surprised by the size of the line, I was thinking more like a 3 point spread, which unfortunately would lead me to believe the Steelers cover.
The Patriots should change their name to the cardiac kids, the one game their defense doesnt score will be the beginning of their demise.

 

[ace0927]

Does pitt suffer the let down here???

A let down? If they were playing cleveland it could be a let down game, how can a game against a 9-3 team be a letdown?

 

[ace0927]

I've watched every minute of every Jet game this season. I read about them in the paper all week long. In my opinion there is something about this team that's not right.

I know they are 9-3 and #1 in points allowed to the opposition but in my opinion they are not a top team. I think their good record was built on an easy schedule and playing poor teams. At best they are a good second rate team. They will beat the patsies on their schedule and put up a good struggle against the top teams but they will never beat a top team. They don't have that killer instinct to put away a good team in the 4th quarter. And specially with John Abraham out this week I will be laying the 5.5 with Pitt.

ESQAJM

You need to watch the games a bit closer son.

Last 3 weeks: Jets have reliquished ZERO points in the second half. ZERO. The scored 16 points in the 4th quarter on sunday to put away an opponent.

Both games against MIami : 7 total points in the second, that was a TD with ZERO seconds left in regulation on MNF.

SF and New England, ZERO points in the second half.

That is 7 games in which they have given up NO POINTS! Isnt the second half the important part of the game? Especially if you have the lead going into the 4th qt?

Are you a Jet fan? If so you arent a historian. You say they beat the Patsies on their schedule, anyone who knows the Jets knows that they historically play to the level of their opposition....
I am not saying they are winning this week, but this team is MUCH better than anyone can fathom.

 

[ace0927]

P.S. McNabb is a better athlete than Brady.

But he isnt the better QB and last time I checked that is what is important.

 

[ace0927]

Hey I can't take anything away from what Brady has done in leading his team to two Super Bowl victories (without much of a running game). I never said he wasn't a good QB...he's just not as good as Donovan. :banger:


sb

Not everyone in life has the opportunity and suceed in losing 3 consecutive NFC chamionship games, he did. Congrats!....This year could be different because the NFC has a 2000 look to it when the Giants, who might have been the worst SB rep ever, made it.

 

[sportsbet]

I heard the same thing from Browns and Ravens (especially Ravens) fans when the birds played them. Eagles are 5-2 vs the AFC over the last 2 seasons with the only 2 losses coming to New England (SB champs) and Pittsburgh at Pittsburgh (last time I checked they were pretty good).

I will exonerate the Ravens fans on this board because they were more realistic but this AFC excuse is just that...an excuse. The Eagles beat the AFC and the NFC and they won't stop winning this year.

McNabb is a better QB than Brady...when Brady can throw 5 TD's in the first half of one game he can call me and tell me he's as good as Donovan. Or when Brady can throw a 65 yard completion on his back foot falling away after running around for 15 seconds on the road then he can come talk to me about being as good as Donovan. Brady has certain advantages over Donovan I will admit to it (like 2 Super Bowl rings) but as a QB I will take Donovan over him any day of the week.

The Eagles right now are 10000000x better than they were at Pittsburgh. The linebacking corps and the defensive line are revamped and have been dominant since that game (including allowing the FEWEST POINTS PER GAME...better than the Jets, Patriots, Steelers, Ravens or any other defense you want to throw up there).

I'm not going to celebrate until we win the Super Bowl. The fact of the matter is the season doesn't start in Philadelphia until the NFC Championship Game assuming we make it there. But we are having a lot of fun on the way...a lot more fun than EVER before. The Eagles still have to win these games...and they are (by a lot every week). They can line up with anyone right now.

sb

 

[kidslick]

sportsbet i believe the eagles win it all.


but you are right your qb has more athletic skills than brady

it ends right there.

the smarter qb is brady without a doub,t in my silly mind


maybe each qb is best for its own situation and their offenses

 

[sportsbet]

maybe each qb is best for its own situation and their offenses

Slick you hit the nail on the head sir!

Brady's the man...but so is 5.

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[Deb12]

sportsbet...

I don't know what you've been smoking but you really should market it, if you want to be successful at handicapping one of the first things you need to learn is that there is a BIG DIFFERENCE in being a handicapper and being a "Fan"...which of course is short for "Fanatic".

Obviously you are a "Fan" of the eagles and there is nothing wrong with that, however, being a "Fan" will end up costing you money over the long term as there is a tendency to make wagers with one's heart instead of with one's head.

Donovan as good as Brady?...Pleazzzzzzzzzz, give me a break!! Until McNabb shows that he can step up in big situations and win...he will ALWAYS take a back seat to Brady and the Pats who have proven themselves time and time again.

McNabb has had the opportunity each of the past THREE YEARS to prove himself and even had the homefield edge in the NFC Championship game but has failed time and time and time again.

Does failing to win in the Championship game and failing to advance to the Super Bowl make him a loser? Of course not, however...in the same senario Brady and the bunch have WON, thus how can you possibly say that McNabb is the better QB?

Granted McNabb is indeed the much better athlete but Quarterbacking is about alot more than just being athletic, its about decision making, its about leadership, its about being able to settle your team down and getting them to make plays...Brady is proven in this regard while McNabb is not...case closed.

I find it amusing that eagle "Fans" and McNabb appologists constantly make the excuse "But Donovan hasn't had any weapons to play with"....really?

What about the weapons that helped get him to the NFC Championship game THREE STRAIGHT TIMES?

In last years NFC Championship game McNabb tossed 4 interceptions which altimately cost the eagles the game, what happened? Were there "Wind Gusts" that suddenly appeared only when McNabb was on the field which blew the football into the hands of the defenders?

Getting back to the talk of "Having a lack of weapons"....Brady backers can make the EXACT SAME arguement as the Patriots did not have a running game until this season with RB Corey Dillon....but yet WON their AFC Championship games and consequently have WON the Super Bowl 2 of the past 3 years.

McNabb a better QB than Brady?.....Give me a break!!

The eagles are playing in the weak and watered down NFC which makes their record very very phoney, if they played in the AFC this season they would probably be LUCKY to have 7 wins this season.

A simple look at the eagles record this season shows that they have only played three AFC teams, the eagles went 2-1 straight up and 0-3 ATS in those games, however, a closer look-see shows that they were very fortunate to have defeated a not-so-good Cleveland team in OT 34-31.

The eagles were also very fortunate to have defeated a middle of the road AFC team with regard to getting the win over the "Offenseless" Ravens in Philly by the final of 15-10.

What happened when the eagles faced a good AFC team? They got BURIED at Pittsburgh that's what happened!!

The Steelers out first downed philly 25 to 7, out yarded philly 420 to 113 and won the time of possession battle by a staggering 41:49 to 18:11, and don't blame it on turnovers as the eagles only had one turnover to Pittsburghs 2 turnovers in that contest.

McNabb better than Brady? Pleazzzzzzz, let's take a look at what happened last season when the eagles faced a good team from the AFC in week 2, Brady and the bunch visited philly as 4 point betting dogs and made McNabb and company look stupid in winning by the final of 31-10.

Need another example? How about when Manning and Colts visited philly as big 9.5 doggies in 2002 and left the city of brotherly love with a 35-13 win tucked under their collective arms?

I really really really do hope that the eagles make it to the Super Bowl this season against the AFC representative....just so I can make what will probably be my largest single game wager of the year...because McNabb and company will surely CHOKE against the better competition.

In closing, hopefully you will understand where I am coming from with regard to pointing out to you that there is NOTHING wrong with being a "Fan" of a team....however....you must be able to detach yourself and see things for what they are.

good luck

Deb

 

[johnskelington]

AMEN sister! Brady's a winner.........end of story.

 

[ace0927]

Bowl rings) but as a QB I will take Donovan over him any day of the week.

The Eagles right now are 10000000x better than they were at Pittsburgh. The linebacking corps and the defensive line are revamped and have been dominant since that game (including allowing the FEWEST POINTS PER GAME...better than the Jets, Patriots, Steelers, Ravens or any other defense you want to throw up there).


sb

Get your stuff straight before you post trash like this. Do the research and then spew the crap. The Eagles are 4-0 since that loss. Playing the big bad Boys, Giants, Skins and Packers. They have allowed 50 points in those 4 games. The Jets have played the Texans, Ravens, Cards and Browns. They have allowed 37 points. Which number is lower? Which average per game is lower? Get the Math skills down.
And if you think McNabb is a better QB than Brady you are INSANE. Brady (let me say I am a Jet fan if you havent already figured it out, so the fact that I am backing a Patriot says something) is the closest thing to Montana you will ever see. McNabb isnt half as good as Culpepper, so it goes without saying he isnt a great QB. McNabb has NEVER made a WR better. He needed Owens to show he can actually complete a pass to a wideout. Montana made everyone better. You can throw all of those guys in the Marino category and be known as the best Qb's never to win. In the NFL and QB's it ALL ABOUT SUPER BOWL VICTORIES....McNabb may or may not win it this year, but if past history is any indicator he is about 4 games away from underthrowing every pass and aligator arming the long balls...

 

[The_Man]

Eh, who knows, but not likely.
Jets 0-5 last 5 at Pitt.
Defensive player of the year, Abraham, most likely out for this one.
Pitt tops on rushing D, probably stuff Martin/Jordan
Probably close game til half time, like Pitt to win by 7 and cover in the 4th.

 

[Dante]

thanks guys for all the feed back