I Talked to the People Who Compare Gay Marriage to Bestiality on Twitter
A slippery slope is an inviting prospect: as seductive, oily and simple as the logic that drives it. If we even begin to slither down this road, goes the argument, how could we ever dig ourselves to a standstill before the bottom? How can we condemn sex with a dead pig, they ask, when sex between two men is now legal?
Afraid to entertain the notion that a certain X can take place without a disconnected Y happening immediately afterwards, people seduced by slippery slopes stand doggedly in the way of progressive change. Their position, as nuanced as a group of honking geese, rests on the belief that if one minority group achieves parity with the rest of society, others will spew out of the ground like volcanic perverts, forcing us to cater to their every whim.
Same-sex marriage is a favorite topic for slippery slope enthusiasts, who maintain a canteen of taboo relationships to which gay sex can be compared. Incest is a favorite. So, depressingly, is bestiality. The comparison seems obviously hyperbolic, desperate, tragic. I’ve always wondered: do the people who employ this fatuous argument sincerely believe it? And why, if they believe it, would they choose to make it in public, online? So, after the Supreme Court decision that legalized gay marriage in America, I took a survey of the landscape and asked.
Mukala is a 27-year-old graduate from Zambia. Why is he so angry about homosexuality? “I am atheist, so I do not believe gayism [sic] is a sin,” he said. “I do not think homosexuality should be outlawed, but I oppose gay marriage because it changes the century-old definition of marriage. A union between a man and a woman with a view to raise a family.”
So far, so traditional. But why get silly? Why compare equal marriage to that between a human and an animal? “My tweet was meant to show my opposition to gay marriage, not what I really think is coming ahead.” Aha. “I do not think gay marriage will lead to legalization of marriage with animals to be honest,” he added.
When pressed, in fact, Mukala offered a little introspection. I asked how a gay person might feel upon reading this comparison. “Gay people probably feel bad when their relationships are compared to bestiality, and I think it is unfair to make such a comparison.” His statement was meant to illustrate his point “in a light manner,” he said, but “I suppose it didn’t do that.” He admitted, during our conversation, a sense of regret.
A student living in California named Armané is younger—18—and claimed to have been under the influence of drugs when he made his comparison. “I think men are suppose [sic] to love women,” he told me, unsurprisingly. (It is endlessly fascinating that homophobes focus almost exclusively on male and not female intercourse.)
Like Mukala, Armané cleaves to no religion—but was incredulous when I suggested that homosexuality is something people are born with, not a choice. He told me that homosexuals are simply pretending to be gay. “How can you be born attracted to the same sex?” he asked. “There is something inside them that’s calling for them to be straight. I think they’re acting fake, because do you see any gay animals? No.”
Despite this bizarre thesis, and his conviction that “marriage to animals will be legal one day,” Armané already regretted his tweets by the time he talked to me. “I know a lot of homosexuals. That’s why I regret putting that up. I should’ve never put gay marriage and bestiality together. I was just trying to say new laws will be made soon.”
Though they could have stuck to their guns and told me to fuck myself, neither Armané nor Mukala wished to defend what they had originally said. So why did they say it? It’s a knee-jerk statement, the easiest way to belittle. Every person I spoke to who’d made this argument in public on social media understood that gay people might find the animal comparison more than a little offensive. But, of course, none of them understood this intuitively enough not to have made it in the first place.
Occasionally, the slippery slope enthusiasts find a larger platform than Twitter. There are the Christian couples who vow to divorce if gay marriage is legalized; Rick Santorum, who called the issue “just like 9/11”; and of course Kim Davis, the inconsistently convicted serial divorcée who went to jail for the “sanctity of marriage.” A vocal minority continues to back all these people up; one of them is even running for President, and standing by his remarks. But there is no convincing argument against equality, and if the fight against gay marriage were a building, it started burning a long time ago. In no time, it’ll be a wreck.
A woman named Dinah is the most Kim Davis of my interviewees. “Most ‘gay’ people I’ve met are simply confused about how to express their perverse lifestyles,” she informed me. Dinah is a 28-year-old Nigerian and the only devout Christian I spoke to. She justified her opposition to homosexuality in terms of fundamentalism: “As a Christian I believe it is a sin because the Bible is against it,” she said, citing chapter and verse. “The bus stop for all unrepentant sinners is Hell.”
Dinah seemed genuinely worried that the legalization of interspecies weddings is just around the corner: “When gay marriage is made legal other kinds of unnatural sexuality will feel deprived of their right too. People are already marrying their animals.” When I asked her what she meant by this, she didn’t have an answer.
Tellingly, Dinah said that she doesn’t know any gay people. Her sense of regret was therefore negligible. When I asked her how gay people might have reacted to her remark, she said, “They would probably feel bad, but that doesn’t make it OK. They just need to mentally come out of that unnatural sexual orientation.”
Mukala, by contrast, said, “I don’t hate gays. I don’t think they should be jailed, or killed or discriminated against unfairly, but the definition of marriage shouldn’t have to change because of them.” He ended by saying, “I find gay people interesting and fun to be around.”
But it was Mukala who also managed to best encapsulate the conservative instinct that positions any sort of change as inherently terrifying. “Much like people with colorblindness,” he says, “we don’t have to change the names of colors just to accommodate them. Red must remain red, and they shouldn’t be free to teach kids that red is something else.”
It is an interesting analogy, although one that of course manages to privilege heterosexuals as blessed by inherent correctness, much as the bestiality analogy devalues the primacy of consent. Mukala feared that the colors were changing, and they are—if not to the palette he imagines. Red just isn’t red anymore.
Ralph Jones is a journalist and comedy writer from the UK. He has written for Vice, the Guardian, Esquire, and many other titles. He is in a sketch group called The Awkward Silence.
A slippery slope is an inviting prospect: as seductive, oily and simple as the logic that drives it. If we even begin to slither down this road, goes the argument, how could we ever dig ourselves to a standstill before the bottom? How can we condemn sex with a dead pig, they ask, when sex between two men is now legal?
Afraid to entertain the notion that a certain X can take place without a disconnected Y happening immediately afterwards, people seduced by slippery slopes stand doggedly in the way of progressive change. Their position, as nuanced as a group of honking geese, rests on the belief that if one minority group achieves parity with the rest of society, others will spew out of the ground like volcanic perverts, forcing us to cater to their every whim.
Same-sex marriage is a favorite topic for slippery slope enthusiasts, who maintain a canteen of taboo relationships to which gay sex can be compared. Incest is a favorite. So, depressingly, is bestiality. The comparison seems obviously hyperbolic, desperate, tragic. I’ve always wondered: do the people who employ this fatuous argument sincerely believe it? And why, if they believe it, would they choose to make it in public, online? So, after the Supreme Court decision that legalized gay marriage in America, I took a survey of the landscape and asked.
Mukala is a 27-year-old graduate from Zambia. Why is he so angry about homosexuality? “I am atheist, so I do not believe gayism [sic] is a sin,” he said. “I do not think homosexuality should be outlawed, but I oppose gay marriage because it changes the century-old definition of marriage. A union between a man and a woman with a view to raise a family.”
So far, so traditional. But why get silly? Why compare equal marriage to that between a human and an animal? “My tweet was meant to show my opposition to gay marriage, not what I really think is coming ahead.” Aha. “I do not think gay marriage will lead to legalization of marriage with animals to be honest,” he added.
When pressed, in fact, Mukala offered a little introspection. I asked how a gay person might feel upon reading this comparison. “Gay people probably feel bad when their relationships are compared to bestiality, and I think it is unfair to make such a comparison.” His statement was meant to illustrate his point “in a light manner,” he said, but “I suppose it didn’t do that.” He admitted, during our conversation, a sense of regret.
A student living in California named Armané is younger—18—and claimed to have been under the influence of drugs when he made his comparison. “I think men are suppose [sic] to love women,” he told me, unsurprisingly. (It is endlessly fascinating that homophobes focus almost exclusively on male and not female intercourse.)
Like Mukala, Armané cleaves to no religion—but was incredulous when I suggested that homosexuality is something people are born with, not a choice. He told me that homosexuals are simply pretending to be gay. “How can you be born attracted to the same sex?” he asked. “There is something inside them that’s calling for them to be straight. I think they’re acting fake, because do you see any gay animals? No.”
Despite this bizarre thesis, and his conviction that “marriage to animals will be legal one day,” Armané already regretted his tweets by the time he talked to me. “I know a lot of homosexuals. That’s why I regret putting that up. I should’ve never put gay marriage and bestiality together. I was just trying to say new laws will be made soon.”
Though they could have stuck to their guns and told me to fuck myself, neither Armané nor Mukala wished to defend what they had originally said. So why did they say it? It’s a knee-jerk statement, the easiest way to belittle. Every person I spoke to who’d made this argument in public on social media understood that gay people might find the animal comparison more than a little offensive. But, of course, none of them understood this intuitively enough not to have made it in the first place.
Occasionally, the slippery slope enthusiasts find a larger platform than Twitter. There are the Christian couples who vow to divorce if gay marriage is legalized; Rick Santorum, who called the issue “just like 9/11”; and of course Kim Davis, the inconsistently convicted serial divorcée who went to jail for the “sanctity of marriage.” A vocal minority continues to back all these people up; one of them is even running for President, and standing by his remarks. But there is no convincing argument against equality, and if the fight against gay marriage were a building, it started burning a long time ago. In no time, it’ll be a wreck.
A woman named Dinah is the most Kim Davis of my interviewees. “Most ‘gay’ people I’ve met are simply confused about how to express their perverse lifestyles,” she informed me. Dinah is a 28-year-old Nigerian and the only devout Christian I spoke to. She justified her opposition to homosexuality in terms of fundamentalism: “As a Christian I believe it is a sin because the Bible is against it,” she said, citing chapter and verse. “The bus stop for all unrepentant sinners is Hell.”
Dinah seemed genuinely worried that the legalization of interspecies weddings is just around the corner: “When gay marriage is made legal other kinds of unnatural sexuality will feel deprived of their right too. People are already marrying their animals.” When I asked her what she meant by this, she didn’t have an answer.
Tellingly, Dinah said that she doesn’t know any gay people. Her sense of regret was therefore negligible. When I asked her how gay people might have reacted to her remark, she said, “They would probably feel bad, but that doesn’t make it OK. They just need to mentally come out of that unnatural sexual orientation.”
Mukala, by contrast, said, “I don’t hate gays. I don’t think they should be jailed, or killed or discriminated against unfairly, but the definition of marriage shouldn’t have to change because of them.” He ended by saying, “I find gay people interesting and fun to be around.”
But it was Mukala who also managed to best encapsulate the conservative instinct that positions any sort of change as inherently terrifying. “Much like people with colorblindness,” he says, “we don’t have to change the names of colors just to accommodate them. Red must remain red, and they shouldn’t be free to teach kids that red is something else.”
It is an interesting analogy, although one that of course manages to privilege heterosexuals as blessed by inherent correctness, much as the bestiality analogy devalues the primacy of consent. Mukala feared that the colors were changing, and they are—if not to the palette he imagines. Red just isn’t red anymore.
Ralph Jones is a journalist and comedy writer from the UK. He has written for Vice, the Guardian, Esquire, and many other titles. He is in a sketch group called The Awkward Silence.
You gay bashing bigots are worse than the morons who beg hourly for Wayne Fucking Root in the service Play section. Can't you maintain all your nastiness in one thread?
On its website, the American Psychological Association says sexual orientation “refers to an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions to men, women, or both sexes,” and also refers to a person’s sense of identity. It also says, “The American Psychological Association maintains that pedophilia is a mental disorder; that sex between adults and children is always wrong; and that acting on pedophilic impulses is and should be a criminal act.”
Laws in America apply to consenting adults. Children by law are too young to consent.
However congrats bigots, the mass murderer Putin, and the freaks who rule Iran and 99.9% of the ass-backwards Middle East agree with your stance. Does that ever give you pause?
The worst accusations you church over state bigots hurl at the gays about pedophilia happens to your own kids after you leave the service. The OP was written by the head of The Fire School of ministry. Why am I not surprised? If you want to find a pedo go to church where diddling kids is an epidemic they tried and failed to sweep under the rug, moving known sicko priests from one town to another and remaining silent while they ruined more kid's lives. Yet you hypocrites still insist on forcing your so-called morals upon everyone. If you want to argue that homosexuality is like pedophilia, then why isn't heterosexuality like pedophilia? According to you thinkers it's all a 'choice' anyway, right? And Jonah lived in the belly of a whale.
On its website, the American Psychological Association says sexual orientation “refers to an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions to men, women, or both sexes,” and also refers to a person’s sense of identity. It also says, “The American Psychological Association maintains that pedophilia is a mental disorder; that sex between adults and children is always wrong; and that acting on pedophilic impulses is and should be a criminal act.”
Laws in America apply to consenting adults. Children by law are too young to consent.
However congrats bigots, the mass murderer Putin, and the freaks who rule Iran and 99.9% of the ass-backwards Middle East agree with your stance. Does that ever give you pause?
The worst accusations you church over state bigots hurl at the gays about pedophilia happens to your own kids after you leave the service. The OP was written by the head of The Fire School of ministry. Why am I not surprised? If you want to find a pedo go to church where diddling kids is an epidemic they tried and failed to sweep under the rug, moving known sicko priests from one town to another and remaining silent while they ruined more kid's lives. Yet you hypocrites still insist on forcing your so-called morals upon everyone. If you want to argue that homosexuality is like pedophilia, then why isn't heterosexuality like pedophilia? According to you thinkers it's all a 'choice' anyway, right? And Jonah lived in the belly of a whale.
I've said it before, and I'll shout it out until I'm blue in the face. Taking two fags and joining them in "marriage" and then letting them adopt
kids and calling it a "family" is the epitome of child abuse, it's sick and disgusting - and incredibly damaging to the social fabric of this
once great country.
kids and calling it a "family" is the epitome of child abuse, it's sick and disgusting - and incredibly damaging to the social fabric of this
once great country.
But the disgusting woman who had been divorced 4 times , had multiple children out of wedlock, and is breaking the law, is a hero in your eyes. Think about those kids.....talk about social fabric.
And by the way....every old dude in every generation says " this once great country" and they never realize it's still great and the ones ruining it is them.
Always good to see the embarrassing homosexuality to pedophilia comparisons make an appearance. Shocked we haven't seen beastiality show up. You can't compare something that requires two consenting adults to an act that preys on children. Why is it so difficult to respectfully be against gay marriage? You guys claim to be Christian while completely ignoring the teachings of the Gospel. Just a joke.
And Scott, the below is embarrassing as well. I understand your anger, but taking those kind of shots takes you to the level of the guys comparing homosexuality to pedophilia.
The worst accusations you church over state bigots hurl at the gays about pedophilia happens to your own kids after you leave the service. The OP was written by the head of The Fire School of ministry. Why am I not surprised? If you want to find a pedo go to church where diddling kids is an epidemic they tried and failed to sweep under the rug, moving known sicko priests from one town to another and remaining silent while they ruined more kid's lives. Yet you hypocrites still insist on forcing your so-called morals upon everyone. If you want to argue that homosexuality is like pedophilia, then why isn't heterosexuality like pedophilia? According to you thinkers it's all a 'choice' anyway, right? And Jonah lived in the belly of a whale.
I'm off my soapbox now.
And Scott, the below is embarrassing as well. I understand your anger, but taking those kind of shots takes you to the level of the guys comparing homosexuality to pedophilia.
The worst accusations you church over state bigots hurl at the gays about pedophilia happens to your own kids after you leave the service. The OP was written by the head of The Fire School of ministry. Why am I not surprised? If you want to find a pedo go to church where diddling kids is an epidemic they tried and failed to sweep under the rug, moving known sicko priests from one town to another and remaining silent while they ruined more kid's lives. Yet you hypocrites still insist on forcing your so-called morals upon everyone. If you want to argue that homosexuality is like pedophilia, then why isn't heterosexuality like pedophilia? According to you thinkers it's all a 'choice' anyway, right? And Jonah lived in the belly of a whale.
I'm off my soapbox now.
Already explained the difference between assaulting a child and consenting adults. Can't refute either of my first two posts so instead you post little blurbs while you ride down that aforementioned slope until you hit your head. Keep denying common sense as well, as if anyone would choose to be gay so they can be subjected to the same bigotry that results in their hanging in the public square by people who hold the same prejudices as you.
