NorthCoast Records Thread

[Cheddar]

Cheddar, get off of it. This is supposed to be a helpful forum and you're attacking Savage when he's trying to help people understand NorthCoast is a fade so we can make money. Let it go already!

If you have been following Northcoast at all over the last 5 years, you know he is a fade.
Please explain how you will make money following this thread. Come in on Monday and see what you should have played? Or go to Joe$$ thread where he posts the plays before the games start and then decide if you want to fade or follow. I think that is a more helpful approach don't you?

 

[savage1]

I am not going to answer for MGMan because he is quite capable of doing it on his own!!

That said I am going to post why your response is way too limited and one-way.

You or anyone else can agree and/or disagree but you are not going to change my opinion.

First of all, your first statement while true especially for last year's disaster does not take into account for THIS year and how NC is doing!

Lets take two examples, one in baseball and one in horse racing.

Consider this:

if one is a decent handicapper or just a person who makes and bets on his own games!!

Let's say that in one of the baseball games going today there is a starting pitcher going today who has a horrible record say using your

time frame of the last five years.

However, in his last two starts, he has been tremendous/lights out, dominant and went at least seven innings.

The question is before betting against this pitcher because he has been terrible overall over the last five years,

do you think it is important to know how he has done of late before placing that wager??

It is the same with horseracing with a horse that over the last five years has hardly been in the money let alone won

but in his last three races has won twice and second once.

Let's say that the odds on the race the horse is participating today are 20-1.

The question is whether the person wagering should know this before wagering on one of the favorites going off

2-1, 3-1, etc?

If so, does it make sense to you/do you agree that there are/should racing publications that publish this information, which

also applies to what I said above in my baseball pitching comparison.

 

[savage1]

I am not going to answer for MGMan because he is quite capable of doing it on his own!!

That said I am going to post why your response is way too limited and one-way.

You or anyone else can agree and/or disagree but you are not going to change my opinion.

First of all, your first statement while true especially for last year's disaster does not take into account for THIS year and how NC is doing!

Lets take two examples, one in baseball and one in horse racing.

Consider this:

if one is a decent handicapper or just a person who makes and bets on his own games!!

Let's say that in one of the baseball games going today there is a starting pitcher going today who has a horrible record say using your

time frame of the last five years.

However, in his last two starts, he has been tremendous/lights out, dominant and went at least seven innings.

The question is before betting against this pitcher because he has been terrible overall over the last five years,

do you think it is important to know how he has done of late before placing that wager??

It is the same with horseracing with a horse that over the last five years has hardly been in the money let alone won

but in his last three races has won twice and second once.

Let's say that the odds on the race the horse is participating today are 20-1.

The question is whether the person wagering should know this before wagering on one of the favorites going off

2-1, 3-1, etc?

If so, does it make sense to you/do you agree that there are/should racing publications that publish this information, which

also applies to what I said above in my baseball pitching comparison.

The obvious point here is that what I do and what the others do in their separate other NC Thread are not mutually exclusive,

with the ultimate goal being knowing how to play and/or fade the NC picks based on as much overall information is available

including what the picks are themselves!!

 

[MGMan]

I think the plays are posted before they start in this thread also.

 

[Cheddar]

I think the plays are posted before they start in this thread also.

Never have been in previous years, not going to beat a dead horse. Kudos if they are, that has been my only point all along

 

[savage1]

I think the plays are posted before they start in this thread also.

As I said previously, up until a few years ago, I did post all of the plays in my thread(in whatver Forum I posted them)

when I saw them and found time to post them, but decided against it for personal reasons and to instead just keep it as

a record-keeping thread only just like Phil/Steele/NC designate their service as a football service

only(not counting the NC Community Cappers).

I stand by what I said earlier today about the importance of periodical and cumulative record keeping with the examples I used

to make my points!!

In addition, up until a few years back, in this Forum(not sure which), I used to post all of the daily comps. also

along with some very choice commentary about Phil Steele/NC. lol

The name of the thread was the NC Comp. Line.

I still call the NC Comp. line every day but am only interested in the price of the cost of service for the Late College Sides

and Totals as well as for the Late NFL Picks.

I hang up the phone at that point before Todd(the comp. guy), announces what the comp. is for that day because frankly I don't care,

about them, and in any case the deceptive records they brag about for these comps. over SELECTIVE time frames

to make them look good, are just more bullshit and a total distortion of how they have really done with their comps,

which to be fair are a shitload than their paid-for picks!!

 

[savage1]

ps Re: my previous post:

the reason I need the cost of service for a non-PowerSweep/PowerPlay subscriber is so that when I do my tally, I can factor

that into how the Late Phones have been doing.

 

[savage1]

Even though as stated previously, I intend this thread as a record-keeping one only, as I have for the last few years as was the cast prior

to this new thread, on occasion I do make related commentary based on my knowledge of following Phil Steele and Northcoast

closely roughly for around 40 years old is hard to believe they have been around since the early to mid 80s but that is fact!!

Anyway back to my main point here.

One of the things that has been consistent all of these years including last night is that when a college or NFL total is in the high range,

say somewhere in the 40s to 70's etc., they invariably give out the OVER.

Conversely, when the total is low, starting in the low 30s, they invariably give out the UNDER.

In the world of Phil Steele/NC regarding totals the term "line mistake" does not exist!!

We saw evidence of this last night!!

The EXACT situation exists with side plays for Steele/NC, namely a low line like for example, 2-3 means play the dog

and a high line line in college from somewhere in the mid to high 30's on up means most of the time to play the favorite!!

Imo Phil Steele/NC would have done/would do considerably better if they weren't so inflexible and rigid!!

And no I don't have the exact records for these types of lines and resultant plays, but suffice it to say that if it hadn't

that many times, I would not be posting this observation!!

 

[jstwinn7]

Even though as stated previously, I intend this thread as a record-keeping one only, as I have for the last few years as was the cast prior

to this new thread, on occasion I do make related commentary based on my knowledge of following Phil Steele and Northcoast

closely roughly for around 40 years old is hard to believe they have been around since the early to mid 80s but that is fact!!

Anyway back to my main point here.

One of the things that has been consistent all of these years including last night is that when a college or NFL total is in the high range,

say somewhere in the 40s to 70's etc., they invariably give out the OVER.

Conversely, when the total is low, starting in the low 30s, they invariably give out the UNDER.

In the world of Phil Steele/NC regarding totals the term "line mistake" does not exist!!

We saw evidence of this last night!!

The EXACT situation exists with side plays for Steele/NC, namely a low line like for example, 2-3 means play the dog

and a high line line in college from somewhere in the mid to high 30's on up means most of the time to play the favorite!!

Imo Phil Steele/NC would have done/would do considerably better if they weren't so inflexible and rigid!!

And no I don't have the exact records for these types of lines and resultant plays, but suffice it to say that if it hadn't

that many times, I would not be posting this observation!!

Savage1, am new to the forum and appreciate all the information and efforts the many cappers like you and everyone else provide to assist each other. Thank you.

 

[savage1]

Savage1, am new to the forum and appreciate all the information and efforts the many cappers like you and everyone else provide to assist each other. Thank you.

As long as there a folks like you who show interest in what I offer, I will continue to do the record-keeping and at times state

things that I have learned from Phil Steele/NC from following them for of these many 40 years!!

Good luck to you and everyone else in this thread and the other one because as you say, we all share a common goal of wanting

to win!!

 

[LonghornMM]

Thank you for posting the NC information, savage. Put the trolls on ignore.

 

[Joe$$Moneyline]

Anyone seen anything
For NC tonight?

 

[vinnyvegas]

Savage, thx for posting. I always look at how long someone has been around. You I see 2007. You see me 2004. But im sure longer for both of us from diff parts of web prior to RX being a landing spot.

all that to just say thx for the info and insights and knowledge/experience you’ve gained

Still boggles my mind that trolls for lack of better term want others to lose or not beat the books. We are not competing vs each other. Strange concept. Their wires in brains have gotten crossed is only sane reasoning.

Continued Success.

 

[savage1]

Thank you for posting the NC information, savage. Put the trolls on ignore.

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Savage, thx for posting. I always look at how long someone has been around. You I see 2007. You see me 2004. But im sure longer for both of us from diff parts of web prior to RX being a landing spot.

all that to just say thx for the info and insights and knowledge/experience you’ve gained

Still boggles my mind that trolls for lack of better term want others to lose or not beat the books. We are not competing vs each other. Strange concept. Their wires in brains have gotten crossed is only sane reasoning.

Continued Success.

Thanks.

I wasn't going to say anything but I copied what I posted earlier about the Phil Steele/NC modus operandi regarding their

glaring tendencies to almost to go with the OVERS and FAVORITES when the lines are high and with UNDERS and DOGS when the lines are

low and sent them to Phil Steele and suggested that they show some flexibility when it comes to this stuff and remind

him that linemaker mistakes happen all of the time!!

Incidentally, if any of you want to email Phil Steele/NC the email address is psteele@ncsports.com

That said, if you criticize and offer a suggestion, don't expect a response because he is arrogant and stubborn and never

has and never will change his handicapping methodology and/or let anyone who makes the picks stick deviate from that

no matter how poorly the do!!

if you want more proof, consider that Phil Steel/NC uses the EXACT tired old promotions he used 20 years ago regarding

discounts on such things on the Late Phones for folks who are either PowerSweep or PowerPlay subscribers.

What is ironic is that the "discounts" are not discounts at all because they are derived from insanely high asking prices.

He has ordered Todd the current comp. guy to use the same phrasing and wording that he(Steele) always used.

Even though it is a bit better than their sleazy and deceptive advertising in years past, it still leaves a bit to be desired.

That's it for now.

Again you will NOT see many messages of this nature during the season, but as it is a new season, imo new folks should know about how

Phil Steele/NC operate

 

[savage1]

If my figures are correct, it looks like 4-2 in sides and 3-1 for an overall 7-3 day for NC.

That is probably their best day in college football since sometime in 2021!!

 

[savage1]

Wow-I just checked and see that the 4* OVER USC which seemed like a mortal lock when I went to bed lost making it a 6-4 day,

still profitable but a lot less than the units won if it had been 7-3!!

Notice also that Steele/NC did exactly what I said in post 48, namely took probably the highest total on the board on the

game at 69 and gave out the OVER which fell short as just 66 points were scored.

 

[savage1]

Wow-I just checked and see that the 4* OVER USC which seemed like a mortal lock when I went to bed lost making it a 6-4 day,

still profitable but a lot less than the units won if it had been 7-3!!

Notice also that Steele/NC did exactly what I said in post 48, namely took probably the highest total on the board on the

game at 69 and gave out the OVER which fell short as just 66 points were scored.

The above record and plays were confirmed on comp. line today.

 

[savage1]

The only comment I have for now is that when I factor in the cheapest cost of the NC combined college and NFL Late Phone

picks for this week is that for a $100 player playing the games to scale, he is almost exactly even for the week.

This means that the outcome of tonight's star-rated play will determine if Phil Steele/NC if they have a winning week,

which was almost non-existent last season or a VERY rare winning one!!

 

[savage1]

Here is the cumulative tally for college football with Late Phone sides and totals and the NFL through last night, 9/11:

College Sides and Total 9-12

NFL 2-2

The total cost of service is $420 so far for a non-Power Sweep or Power Play subscriber.

A $100 player playing these games according to scale and adding in cost of service is MINUS $1830.

 

[savage1]

One thing that newcomers should be aware of is that besides the Games of the Year Phil Steele/NC has, a College

Sides Play of the Month, a College Totals Play of the Month, an NFL Game of the Month and some floating five stars, which they deem the

right to put out when they feel like which is usually a few times a year!!

In fact they have their College Totals Play of the Months going this weekend.

What you need to be aware of and based on my knowledge of their patterns for all of the years I have followed them and conclusions

drawn is that imo most of these Games of the Month/floating fice starts ARE NOT BASED on merit but are SCRIPTED

on certain dates to meet marketing needs, which means in the case that they are badly in need of sales of the game

and/or one of the various packages they offer that contains the game!!

Obviously I cannot prove this but is based on my opinion as stated above, and thus will not debate this topic!!