posted by WVU:
Q. Have you or anyone else personally tried to establish residency in a different country only to be denied?
Like you I also have a large balance stuck with these pricks and am currently trying to meet their residency requirements in a different country. Believe it or not they have assured me that this will work.
Of course they also assured me the following:
1. Your EFTs are only delayed 1-2 weeks
(Neteller lied. EFTs never went through.)
2. Just use your debit card
(Neteller lied. Debit card service shut off 1/27)
3. Yes. You can still do peer-to-peer but we don't recommend that.
(Neteller lied. peer-to-peer service shut off 1/30)
4. Yes. You will always be able to transfer money to a non gambling merchant.
(Neteller lied. Transfer to merchant service shut off 3/7)
If anyone out there has been down this road (residency in another country) with them and wants to compare notes offline, shoot me an email at:
coolguy @ jcapper .com
hint: you'll need to remove the blank spaces
-jp
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Q. Have you or anyone else personally tried to establish residency in a different country only to be denied?
Like you I also have a large balance stuck with these pricks and am currently trying to meet their residency requirements in a different country. Believe it or not they have assured me that this will work.
Of course they also assured me the following:
1. Your EFTs are only delayed 1-2 weeks
(Neteller lied. EFTs never went through.)
2. Just use your debit card
(Neteller lied. Debit card service shut off 1/27)
3. Yes. You can still do peer-to-peer but we don't recommend that.
(Neteller lied. peer-to-peer service shut off 1/30)
4. Yes. You will always be able to transfer money to a non gambling merchant.
(Neteller lied. Transfer to merchant service shut off 3/7)
If anyone out there has been down this road (residency in another country) with them and wants to compare notes offline, shoot me an email at:
coolguy @ jcapper .com
hint: you'll need to remove the blank spaces
-jp
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They assured me people could change countries. I dont have enough money to go through the hassle.
I simply opened new accts outside the US and have gone on my merry way. I have more than offset my losses with the new accts.
I still think they are acting like thieves, but they are in a bad situation. If they send the money back and it all gets seized, then what...
-Sean
I simply opened new accts outside the US and have gone on my merry way. I have more than offset my losses with the new accts.
I still think they are acting like thieves, but they are in a bad situation. If they send the money back and it all gets seized, then what...
-Sean
Exactly. I'm at least going to satisfy their residency requirements and see what happens.
Agree up to a point... I actually found a non gambling merchant in the UK on my own (the same card co that Van Wilson was posting about) and was able to transfer money (in British pounds) to them up until yesterday.
The merchant was being paid by Neteller in British pounds. The only possible reason Neteller can have for shutting off access to this merchant is a desire to p h u k k over US account holders and keep them from getting out.
-jp
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You are now chatting with 'Kelly'
Kelly: Welcome to our live chat service. How may we help you?
Sean: Hey, Can US account holders send money to non gambling merchants?
Kelly: May I have your 12-digit NETELLER Account ID please?
Sean: ___
Kelly: Before we proceed, I will need to ask your security question: what is your mother's middle name?
Sean: ___
Kelly: Unfortunately the name and security answer you provided do not match what I have on file. Is it possible you made a mistake in the Account ID?
Sean: No, the account ID is right... The mother maiden might be ___... Can I give you the secure ID instead?
Kelly: No unfortunately not. ___ is the correct Account ID. May I have your full name please?
Kelly: Sorry, ___ is the correct security answer, I should say.
Sean: ______
Sean: I am not asking you anything specific about my account. I am just asking if US users can make purchases from non gambling merchants
Kelly: One moment please.
Kelly: NETELLER agents are still required to follow security procedures to protect your personal information, regardless of the subject matter of your chat.
Sean: Ok
Kelly: Thank you for holding. Yes you can use your account with non-gambling merchants, but NETELLER does not have a list of these. You will need to run a search in Google or Yahoo or another search engine.
Sean: I have tried to buy an ipod from http://www.babykgb.com This is a non gambling site, but it gets declined. Why is this?
Kelly: Unfortunately you would need to email pr@neteller.com for more information on that topic.
Sean: So basically US members can not make non gambling purchases?
Kelly: No, as I mentioned before: Yes you can use your account with non-gambling merchants, but NETELLER does not have a list of these. You will need to run a search in Google or Yahoo or another search engine.
Sean: But I found one, tried to make a purchase and was declined...
Sean: Who doed pr@neteller.com go to?
Kelly: Then you will need to email pr@neteller.com for assistance with this particular merchant.
Kelly: It goes to the Public Relations team.
Sean: can I call?
Kelly: No you may not unfortunately.
Kelly: This team is contactable by email only.
Kelly: Welcome to our live chat service. How may we help you?
Sean: Hey, Can US account holders send money to non gambling merchants?
Kelly: May I have your 12-digit NETELLER Account ID please?
Sean: ___
Kelly: Before we proceed, I will need to ask your security question: what is your mother's middle name?
Sean: ___
Kelly: Unfortunately the name and security answer you provided do not match what I have on file. Is it possible you made a mistake in the Account ID?
Sean: No, the account ID is right... The mother maiden might be ___... Can I give you the secure ID instead?
Kelly: No unfortunately not. ___ is the correct Account ID. May I have your full name please?
Kelly: Sorry, ___ is the correct security answer, I should say.
Sean: ______
Sean: I am not asking you anything specific about my account. I am just asking if US users can make purchases from non gambling merchants
Kelly: One moment please.
Kelly: NETELLER agents are still required to follow security procedures to protect your personal information, regardless of the subject matter of your chat.
Sean: Ok
Kelly: Thank you for holding. Yes you can use your account with non-gambling merchants, but NETELLER does not have a list of these. You will need to run a search in Google or Yahoo or another search engine.
Sean: I have tried to buy an ipod from http://www.babykgb.com This is a non gambling site, but it gets declined. Why is this?
Kelly: Unfortunately you would need to email pr@neteller.com for more information on that topic.
Sean: So basically US members can not make non gambling purchases?
Kelly: No, as I mentioned before: Yes you can use your account with non-gambling merchants, but NETELLER does not have a list of these. You will need to run a search in Google or Yahoo or another search engine.
Sean: But I found one, tried to make a purchase and was declined...
Sean: Who doed pr@neteller.com go to?
Kelly: Then you will need to email pr@neteller.com for assistance with this particular merchant.
Kelly: It goes to the Public Relations team.
Sean: can I call?
Kelly: No you may not unfortunately.
Kelly: This team is contactable by email only.
Certainly NETELLER has the money to pay ALL US Customers.
I don't believe they've said they didn't?! Certainly they can't, their accounting books are public information in filings with the London Stock Exchange.
The amount seized by the government "does not exceed $55 million", NETELLER had (mid-2006) $164 million in cash on the books in accumulated profits -- cash NOT BELONGING TO CUSTOMERS NOR MERCHANTS.
So they CAN pay US customers ever single penney without getting back 1 cent from the DOJ.
The problem is, (a) if they did so they have no leverage to get back that $55 million; and (b) perhaps more importantly, they may still have no assurance money they attempt to distribute to US Customers will not again be seized. Plus (c) they may have much of the "cash equivalents" in short/medium term bonds, and (d) they also want leverage to have the potential indictments against the NETELLER founders, and NETELLER PLC itself dropped.
If the DOJ said, pay all your US customers, we won't touch your USD accounts nor EFT transfers, NETELLER could pay everyone. The DOJ grabbing EFT *withdrawals* and accounts used to process EFT withdrawals was extremly underhanded.
WRONG!!!
Why cant they do the right thing? The right thing to do right now when you consider everything is to tell their US clients you can come to the Island of Man(or where Neteller is located) and get your money from us. I would fly there!
People dont be so STUPID and simple. STOP making excuses for these fukking theives!
They read this shit and they laugh, if the mofos really want to pay they will find a way!
Dumbass
What is so stupid about that?
If they tell me I could fly there to get my money I would do it. Tell me dumbass, is that against US gambling Law?
They cant send you a check, or bank wire. no atm. Cant you think of a better way idiot?
Dumbass, do you want to sit on your ass at home and wait forever??
You probably have only $10 there so STFU
What is so stupid about that?
If they tell me I could fly there to get my money I would do it. Tell me dumbass, is that against US gambling Law?
They cant send you a check, or bank wire. no atm. Cant you think of a better way idiot?
Dumbass, do you want to sit on your ass at home and wait forever??
You probably have only $10 there so STFU
You must have failed reading comprehension.
If DOJ is up your ass I guarantee you aren't going to make any move at all that might aggravate the situation. I'm not trying to defend Neteller, I would have probably done things differently if I were them. But two guys who were associated with Neteller are facing long federal sentences. Do you think any Neteller executive is going to risk arrest and jail time so you get your money today? Use some common sense. DOJ wanted US bettors cut off and they got it.
Neither of us are privy to whatever is happening behind the scenes. The only parties that are aren't talking. I know you want your money. I know everyone that was dumb enough to leave money tied up there wants it. But it isn't going to happen anytime soon. So quit crying about it. No amount of whining, bitching or insulting Neteller is going to get your money. You have to wait it out. In the meantime go out and make more money.
