NEW AGE BETS TAUGHT ME A LESSON THE HARD WAY

[Flipper]

My beef is that they changed/corrected the line FIVE hours before the game started, but left my wager in pending status until the second half. That is why I am upset.

That is ethically wrong. I believe they decided to teach me a lesson.

A credible book would have canceled the wager and sent me email notification on a timely basis.

 

Flipper, just answer this.

What line did you bet?
What was the real line?


And if you tried to cheat them, good, lesson learned.

 

[Flipper]

I did not try to cheat them. I thought the number was off so that is why I bet it. That is why I make all my bets.

They cheated me by not cancelling it until it was a virtually a winner.

I did learn a lesson.

BUYER BEWARE

 

Russ from MW said it was an 11 point difference.

Ethics in BM'ing. Please



GEAUX TIGERS!

 

No one deleted your post.

I edited your title, left the original title in the text.

Your original post consisted of a mad face.

 

Flipper, YOU bet into a error line. You deserve nothing. If NAB waits until the game starts before they cancel the bet so be it. You tell them your "honest"? Did'nt you feel guilty betting into an error line? Just a little? Next time let them know instead of trying to steal some money.

 

[TheSkipper]

If you KNEW it was way off and a fluke game took place which made the correct line a winner, then you are a thief.

ALWAYS tell us. If you dont, it makes you look like a piece of shit & you get nothing out of it.

If you DO...you'll always get a Bonus Play or some sort of compensation(maybe a hook or half juice)

 

[DavidMatthews]

I know Flipper personally and he has been a regular on my websites. The event did happen as he describes.

Flipper should realize that this website has many Offshore Book owners and managers and so he won't get the support here that he would somewhere else.

The big item that is troubling is that his bet was in a "Hold" status until the second half. If a book says that betting into an erroneous line is sleazy, I think canceling winners and accepting losers is 10 times sleazier.

David Matthews
http://www.SharpSportsBetting.com

 

Couple of things.

First, can the URL in every post, it is against site rules. Once in a while I can live with.

Second, it seems every guy that comes from Sharp Betting thinks betting into bad lines is a perfectly acceptable thing to do.

We had another one of your bettors over here four five months back who bet a line that was off 30 points or so and was adamant he should get paid. I don't own a book but I can't say it is a clear cut issue he should. I can see both sides.

In closing I want to say I have finally got around to reading the copy of SHARP SPORTSBETTING you sent me and I like it.

I hope to have more to say on it when I finish it.

 

[DavidMatthews]

I thought one URL per post was allowed as long as I was adding content and not just spamming with crap to be seen. I thought that because of something Joe said a long time ago on this thread:

Stanford Wong NFL post

Anyway, I'll reduce my frequency of URL listing, but it seemed to be a fair trade if I was contributing. Can I get a tag line, "Sharp Sports Betting" ?? -- maybe that's against policy to. Nevertheless, I don't want to rock the boat.

By the way, I have linked to the Shrink's post about the gambling bill and I link to other Prescription posts fairly often.

As for the lines discussion, I think the issue of betting erroneous lines is purely a matter of opinion. I think most of our bettors have bet in Las Vegas, where they buy a ticket and once they buy the ticket, it's a bet. If the book made a big mistake, oh well, they are obligated for that ticket.

I believe that our bettors like the security of knowing a bet is a bet. I know for me personally, I don't like having to worry whether or not a sports book will honor my ticket.

As for a line being off 30 points, I can see your argument, although I am not certain I agree. I believe a sports book is responsible if they have a human or software error. I do not think it is the player's fault if the sports book makes an error.

I will admit that I can see the argument that the players should not bet into erroneous lines. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I can live with it, especially if a sports book lists the policy up front.

Having said that, a sports book should not make mistakes. Mistakes should hurt the reputation of the sports book. The more mistakes a particular sports book makes, the less reliable the book, IMO.

Also, what is erroneous? I am not sure if Flipper bet a line that was 4 points off from the normal lines or 11 points, but that is a big difference. I have seen differences of 4 points on college games at sports books in Las Vegas and Primm. Is 4 necessarily an erroneous line? Does the player have to call up and ask every time a line is off by a couple points? Incidentally, I have friends that never call sports books and only bet on the Internet because of concerns about the Wire Act in the United States so it would be even harder for them.

If it was 11 points off then it would be clearer that the line was erroneous. What's the player to do? I guess that the player should call the sports book out of the goodness of his heart and let them know they have their line off.

I don't think that you can categorize every person from my website. We do have some extremists, but most of our people are very rational and know that this is part of it. One of my customers lost over $150,000 on Aces Gold. Another one lost over $40k on Aces Gold. They've also lost money on Bullish Bets, and others. They realize that these are risks in playing offshore and still continue to pound away. I also have had customers tell me, "Yeah. They kept that guys bonus money, but he was really a bonus abuser." They don't agree with the player side come hell or high water.

Here's what a book should have if it has an "Erroneous Line Policy" of canceling bets that were made into bad lines:

1) An email or phone call at least half an hour before game starts. I like the idea of a phone call better because it is too easy to say, "We sent you an email. You didn't get it?"

2) A specific listing of what an erroneous line is. Is 3 points different from market erroneous in college football? Is 4 points an erroneous line in the NBA? There should be an exact number that they consider an erroneous line for each sport. This is also subjective because the book could say they were 4 points off from WSEX, while only being 3 points off from CRIS or whatever, but it is better than nothing.

3) Books should have a stated policy that whomever calls them to inform them of erroneous lines gets some benefit, like 100 bucks or something. (This isn't really required but it looks like a great PR move and would save a lot of headaches like this because people would let them know about the line rather than bet into it and cause this bruhaha.) Yes, I know some books have done this, but they should make it a policy.

4) If a bet isn't canceled before the game starts, it has action. No ifs ands or buts. They honor the bet, and pay it. If they don't want the customer anymore after that then they send the player's deposit and winnings (if any) to him/her and tell that person they don't want his/her business anymore. They can even tell other sports bokos that they have had trouble with a customer, but once a game starts, the bet should hold.

Just my opinions... glad you like the book and thanks for the feedback about the posting policy, etc.

David Matthews

 

David Matthews, the truth is the truth, regardless of whether you're a bum, a sportbook operator, a customer or just some lame ass, like you /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

He himself wont quote the line he bet, I wonder why.

 

[TheSkipper]

I just saw that you did in fact ask him for that.

He wont say cause he KNOWS that it was obvious.

 

[ninerfan+]

That's what happens when you try to gig an offshore sportsbook. You run the risk of the bet being cancelled, or even worse, of the bet losing and them keeping your money. If they keep your money when you lose betting into a bad line it sounds unscrupulous to you I'm sure, but no worse than what you were trying to pull to begin with. If you liked the over in that game, then you should have called and notified them of their mistake, and then bet the correct line. Some books will blackball you after a couple of attempts at taking advantage of an obvious error in a posted line. This is nothing more than offshore sports betting 101.

 

[vinividivinci]

What has happened here is a travesty if it happened as presented. If a book posts a line the customer has every right to lay or take the line.
There is no obligation for the customer to correct the mistake of the book, other than a possible question of "was that TN -7". If the book confirms then it's shame on them!

If I (as a local provider) make a stupid mistake I would be too embarassed to ask my customer to overlook my stupidity.

VVV

 

had the line been - 11 and you were suppose to take 11 you two would be singing a different tune. What happened to the book put the line they should honor it. Then you would be like oh thats bullshit thats an obvious bad line. Yada Yada Yada



GEAUX TIGERS!

 

[vinividivinci]

I am a book and am coming from that point of view. Telling a client I had screwed up after the fact is something I just could not do. This type of situation seems to be no big deal with offshore books but I maintain the situation is a LOT different if you have to settle every Tuesday at 6:00 pm.

VVV

 

What a nerd.

What was the line that you bet?

What was the accurate line?

 

[Flipper]

First of all, I would like to thank Dave for vouching for me. Thanks buddy.

Second of all I am not ducking any question, especially what line I played.
It was the over on the Akron/Miami OH game. I bet over 47 when most other books had it at about 57.

Dave hit on some key points, but I have told Gina that I will be calling her on my future bets (yes I still have kept my account as nickel juice 24/7 is hard to come by) as I believe every wager I make has a mistake in the line. That's why I wager in the first place.

I learned a lesson, that until I move back to Central America, there is not much I can do about these things except post them at websites and hopefully the player will recall BUYER BEWARE.

 

[go2guy]

How I see it is you set yourself up to be screwed, I don't doubt your story (now that you posted it!) but you and the book are wrong with the most responsibility falling on you in my opinoun. You let a "questionable" book have the liberty to jerk you around because you admitted betting into a bad line.

 

[lakerfan]

David Matthews,

It is my understanding that if you bet an O/U in Vegas that was 10 points off and thus was an obviously bad line, that they book wouldn't necessarily pay that bet. I know several people that have bet a bad line in Vegas without knowing it and have had there wager refunded when they went back to collect (without any winnings).

lakerfan