new 9/11 bill...did I just hear it passed senate and is now going to the House?

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Dante said:
do not MAKE me move this to the political forum general...keep it about the gambling bill....this is your only warning :toothless :toothless :toothless :toothless :biglaugh:
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WILL 9/11 BILL BE APPROVED?
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And I am sure that cancer research and other non for profit charity organizations throughout the United States could not use any of the money that we sent to iraq. I suspect we will cease in seeing telethons soon as their is so much money to help in the development of these type of researches. Then again, we did collect all those weapons of mass destruction, so I guess that offsets these causes in some way.
 

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And I am sure that cancer research and other non for profit charity organizations throughout the United States could not use any of the money that we sent to iraq. I suspect we will cease in seeing telethons soon as their is so much money to help in the development of these type of researches. Then again, we did collect all those weapons of mass destruction, so I guess that offsets these causes in some way.

I still don't understand if Neteller will affect by that. How we can know it?
 

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Only when/if Neteller announces that they can no longer assist US citizens in the transfer of funds to offshore gambling sites.
 

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The General said:
Only when/if Neteller announces that they can no longer assist US citizens in the transfer of funds to offshore gambling sites.

I ringed them a lot of times and sent them many emails in the last week but i got no answer.
 

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I am REALLY trying to figure out why BUSH wants to take health insurance and offshore gambing away from the American citizen when 95% of the citizens want health insurance and the ability to wager offshore.

Very strange
Health insurance because it fits the agenda of people paying their own way (the rich get insurance and health services and the poor get screwed).

Offshore gambling because it is one of the sins that we fundamentalist Christians fight against.

And this is your last warning Fishead: Don't ask political questions in the gambling forum.
 

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here is Subsection C of part 3 of house rpt 108-724 of HR 10

SUBCHAPTER C--UNLAWFUL INTERNET GAMBLING FUNDING PROHIBITION

SEC. 2131. SHORT TITLE.



  • This subchapter may be cited as the `Unlawful Internet Gambling Funding Prohibition Act'.
SEC. 2132. FINDINGS.



  • The Congress finds as follows:

    • (1) Internet gambling is primarily funded through personal use of bank instruments, including credit cards and wire transfers.

    • (2) The National Gambling Impact Study Commission in 1999 recommended the passage of legislation to prohibit wire transfers to Internet gambling sites or the banks which represent them.

    • (3) Internet gambling is a major cause of debt collection problems for insured depository institutions and the consumer credit industry.

    • (4) Internet gambling conducted through offshore jurisdictions has been identified by United States law enforcement officials as a significant money laundering vulnerability.
SEC. 2133. POLICIES AND PROCEDURES REQUIRED TO PREVENT PAYMENTS FOR UNLAWFUL INTERNET GAMBLING.



  • (a) REGULATIONS- Before the end of the 6-month period beginning on the date of the enactment of this subchapter, the Federal functional regulators shall prescribe regulations requiring any designated payment system to establish policies and procedures reasonably designed to identify and prevent restricted transactions in any of the following ways:

    • (1) The establishment of policies and procedures that--

      • (A) allow the payment system and any person involved in the payment system to identify restricted transactions by means of codes in authorization messages or by other means; and

      • (B) block restricted transactions identified as a result of the policies and procedures developed pursuant to subparagraph (A).

    • (2) The establishment of policies and procedures that prevent the acceptance of the products or services of the payment system in connection with a restricted transaction.

  • (b) REQUIREMENTS FOR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES- In prescribing regulations pursuant to subsection (a), the Federal functional regulators shall--

    • (1) identify types of policies and procedures, including nonexclusive examples, which would be deemed to be `reasonably designed to identify' and `reasonably designed to block' or to `prevent the acceptance of the products or services' with respect to each type of transaction, such as, should credit card transactions be so designated, identifying transactions by a code or codes in the authorization message and denying authorization of a credit card transaction in response to an authorization message;

    • (2) to the extent practical, permit any participant in a payment system to choose among alternative means of identifying and blocking, or otherwise preventing the acceptance of the products or services of the payment system or participant in connection with, restricted transactions; and

    • (3) consider exempting restricted transactions from any requirement under subsection (a) if the Federal functional regulators find that it is not reasonably practical to identify and block, or otherwise prevent, such transactions.

  • (c) COMPLIANCE WITH PAYMENT SYSTEM POLICIES AND PROCEDURES- A creditor, credit card issuer, financial institution, operator of a terminal at which an electronic fund transfer may be initiated, money transmitting business, or international, national, regional, or local network utilized to effect a credit transaction, electronic fund transfer, or money transmitting service, or a participant in such network, meets the requirement of subsection (a) if--

    • (1) such person relies on and complies with the policies and procedures of a designated payment system of which it is a member or participant to--

      • (A) identify and block restricted transactions; or

      • (B) otherwise prevent the acceptance of the products or services of the payment system, member, or participant in connection with restricted transactions; and

    • (2) such policies and procedures of the designated payment system comply with the requirements of regulations prescribed under subsection (a).

  • (d) ENFORCEMENT-

    • (1) IN GENERAL- This section shall be enforced by the Federal functional regulators and the Federal Trade Commission under applicable law in the manner provided in section 505(a) of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.

    • (2) FACTORS TO BE CONSIDERED- In considering any enforcement action under this subsection against any payment system, or any participant in a payment system that is a creditor, credit card issuer, financial institution, operator of a terminal at which an electronic fund transfer may be initiated, money transmitting business, or international, national, regional, or local network utilized to effect a credit transaction, electronic fund transfer, or money transmitting service, or a participant in such network, the Federal functional regulators and the Federal Trade Commission shall consider the following factors:

      • (A) The extent to which such person is extending credit or transmitting funds knowing the transaction is in connection with unlawful Internet gambling.

      • (B) The history of such person in extending credit or transmitting funds knowing the transaction is in connection with unlawful Internet gambling.

      • (C) The extent to which such person has established and is maintaining policies and procedures in compliance with regulations prescribed under this subsection.

      • (D) The feasibility that any specific remedy prescribed can be implemented by such person without substantial deviation from normal business practice.

      • (E) The costs and burdens the specific remedy will have on such person.
 

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I can't see Neteller being affected since they are not based in the US. Also, you have to assume that the gambling industry makes up a huge portion of their business and therefore they would do everything possible to maintain gambling transactions.
 

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here is Subsection C of part 3 of house rpt 108-724 of HR 10

SUBCHAPTER C--UNLAWFUL INTERNET GAMBLING FUNDING PROHIBITION

SEC. 2131. SHORT TITLE.



  • This subchapter may be cited as the `Unlawful Internet Gambling Funding Prohibition Act'.
SEC. 2132. FINDINGS.



  • The Congress finds as follows:

    • (1) Internet gambling is primarily funded through personal use of bank instruments, including credit cards and wire transfers.


    • (2) The National Gambling Impact Study Commission in 1999 recommended the passage of legislation to prohibit wire transfers to Internet gambling sites or the banks which represent them.


    • (3) Internet gambling is a major cause of debt collection problems for insured depository institutions and the consumer credit industry.


    • (4) Internet gambling conducted through offshore jurisdictions has been identified by United States law enforcement officials as a significant money laundering vulnerability.
SEC. 2133. POLICIES AND PROCEDURES REQUIRED TO PREVENT PAYMENTS FOR UNLAWFUL INTERNET GAMBLING.




  • (a) REGULATIONS- Before the end of the 6-month period beginning on the date of the enactment of this subchapter, the Federal functional regulators shall prescribe regulations requiring any designated payment system to establish policies and procedures reasonably designed to identify and prevent restricted transactions in any of the following ways:

    • (1) The establishment of policies and procedures that--


      • (A) allow the payment system and any person involved in the payment system to identify restricted transactions by means of codes in authorization messages or by other means; and


      • (B) block restricted transactions identified as a result of the policies and procedures developed pursuant to subparagraph (A).


    • (2) The establishment of policies and procedures that prevent the acceptance of the products or services of the payment system in connection with a restricted transaction.


  • (b) REQUIREMENTS FOR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES- In prescribing regulations pursuant to subsection (a), the Federal functional regulators shall--

    • (1) identify types of policies and procedures, including nonexclusive examples, which would be deemed to be `reasonably designed to identify' and `reasonably designed to block' or to `prevent the acceptance of the products or services' with respect to each type of transaction, such as, should credit card transactions be so designated, identifying transactions by a code or codes in the authorization message and denying authorization of a credit card transaction in response to an authorization message;


    • (2) to the extent practical, permit any participant in a payment system to choose among alternative means of identifying and blocking, or otherwise preventing the acceptance of the products or services of the payment system or participant in connection with, restricted transactions; and


    • (3) consider exempting restricted transactions from any requirement under subsection (a) if the Federal functional regulators find that it is not reasonably practical to identify and block, or otherwise prevent, such transactions.


  • (c) COMPLIANCE WITH PAYMENT SYSTEM POLICIES AND PROCEDURES- A creditor, credit card issuer, financial institution, operator of a terminal at which an electronic fund transfer may be initiated, money transmitting business, or international, national, regional, or local network utilized to effect a credit transaction, electronic fund transfer, or money transmitting service, or a participant in such network, meets the requirement of subsection (a) if--

    • (1) such person relies on and complies with the policies and procedures of a designated payment system of which it is a member or participant to--


      • (A) identify and block restricted transactions; or


      • (B) otherwise prevent the acceptance of the products or services of the payment system, member, or participant in connection with restricted transactions; and


    • (2) such policies and procedures of the designated payment system comply with the requirements of regulations prescribed under subsection (a).


  • (d) ENFORCEMENT-

    • (1) IN GENERAL- This section shall be enforced by the Federal functional regulators and the Federal Trade Commission under applicable law in the manner provided in section 505(a) of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.


    • (2) FACTORS TO BE CONSIDERED- In considering any enforcement action under this subsection against any payment system, or any participant in a payment system that is a creditor, credit card issuer, financial institution, operator of a terminal at which an electronic fund transfer may be initiated, money transmitting business, or international, national, regional, or local network utilized to effect a credit transaction, electronic fund transfer, or money transmitting service, or a participant in such network, the Federal functional regulators and the Federal Trade Commission shall consider the following factors:


      • (A) The extent to which such person is extending credit or transmitting funds knowing the transaction is in connection with unlawful Internet gambling.


      • (B) The history of such person in extending credit or transmitting funds knowing the transaction is in connection with unlawful Internet gambling.


      • (C) The extent to which such person has established and is maintaining policies and procedures in compliance with regulations prescribed under this subsection.


      • (D) The feasibility that any specific remedy prescribed can be implemented by such person without substantial deviation from normal business practice.


      • (E) The costs and burdens the specific remedy will have on such person.

Great post Buddy.
 

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stormy7777 said:
I can't see Neteller being affected since they are not based in the US. Also, you have to assume that the gambling industry makes up a huge portion of their business and therefore they would do everything possible to maintain gambling transactions.
Just a quick thought, but i have to wonder if this was any part of the reason to pick up Asian and European action.
 

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The General said:
Just a quick thought, but i have to wonder if this was any part of the reason to pick up Asian and European action.

Good question General. I emailed them and ask if they can explain. Maybe some of you can do the same. If they get a lot of emails asking if they are affecting or not, i believe the % of getting a reply is more higher.

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When neteller sends you a check in the mail and your bank refuses to cash it because the bank it was drawn on is on the terrorist watch list you will then know how it effects neteller.
 

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Yeah, and when your bank refuses the Neteller EFT you requested, you'll know.

And when your Neteller debit card doesn't work in any US ATM machine, you'll know.

Does anyone know if this bill was actually passed today, or is this just a draft or something preliminary?

BAUS
 

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stormy7777 said:
I can't see Neteller being affected since they are not based in the US. Also, you have to assume that the gambling industry makes up a huge portion of their business and therefore they would do everything possible to maintain gambling transactions.
coulda said the same about PayPal
 

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I keep asking this but I keep getting ignored. so if it happens again i wont be upset becuase im used to it :) but CAN I (THATS ME) STILL (LIKE AFTER IT PASSES) USE (YOU KNOW LIKE WHEN YOU USE SOMETHING) WESTERN UNION (ITS A MONEY TRANSFER SERVICE)


CAN I STILL USE WESTERN UNION?
 

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RobFunk said:
I keep asking this but I keep getting ignored. so if it happens again i wont be upset becuase im used to it :) but CAN I (THATS ME) STILL (LIKE AFTER IT PASSES) USE (YOU KNOW LIKE WHEN YOU USE SOMETHING) WESTERN UNION (ITS A MONEY TRANSFER SERVICE)


CAN I STILL USE WESTERN UNION?
RobFunk,

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The answer is yes. If that is not a very good signal i do not know what it is!
 

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I can't see Neteller being affected since they are not based in the US. Also, you have to assume that the gambling industry makes up a huge portion of their business and therefore they would do everything possible to maintain gambling transactions.
The question I asked Neteller was:

"Is Congress, here in the U.S., trying to block gamblers from depositing into Neteller if the funds are directed to an offshore gambling site?"

I just received this answer from Neteller:

"They attempted to, but the bit of the bill that would affect that was pulled out so we are in the clear on this Bill."

Not a problem gentlemen...
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Should i withdraw my money from all my accounts right now before this law goes into full effect?????
 

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