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Honey Badger Don't Give A Shit
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The guys I'm working with plug about one in three into the network, which is very encouraging.

I think you do see the challenge and it's with the mindsets of people in general.

But I'm not so sure it's a "lazyness" as much as it is that most people by the age of 30 have had their dream of truly making a better life beaten out of them. In both cases, that loss is based on association.

They either have their dreams beaten out of them by well-meaning family and friends, or by institutions in general which tell them to not deviate from the status quo.

"Go to school, get a job, work hard" is in itself not bad advice - if your goal is to just make ends meet and get through the month/year.

Trouble is that this is the most common mantra presented to younger people and so therefore most of them try to apply it. And that leaves little room for more innovative and creative thinking, unless one chooses to deliberately put themselves in an environment that promotes innovative and creative thinking.

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Many people never understand the concept of having multiple streams of incomes until its too late.

Very astute.

I was not unaware of this, but confess that nonetheless my 45 year old wife and I (age 49) have kind of just rocked along for past ten years - "working hard" at our respective professions with both of us having pretty decent success.

But somehow in this past six months I got a bit of a smak (not sure exactly from where) that if we continued this as our core plan, we would soon enough be 55 and 59 years old and what happens if one or both of us becomes less able to do our primary jobs?

What if those evil "fur-ners" keep immigrating into our country - both legally and illegally - and are willing to our jobs for a bit less money?

What if a new wave of 20 to 30 year olds can outpace us physically?

And the list goes on.

I'm glad that regardless of what happens during the next ten years, I won't feel the need to later blame someone else for my state of economic affairs.
 

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To win, you need to recruit and groom leaders.

Find them, and you can make money

Or better yet, first become a leader yourself (GASP!...smile)

And then simply refer other people into a system that builds leadership among people willing to make neccesary changes.
 

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*No, it's not

*With regard to your own experience, why did you have a complaint with Primerica expanding their rep base via personal recruiting?

Because I went to Primerica to sell financial advice and products.

I didn't go there to perform recruitment duty of friends and relatives under extreme peer pressure.

I understand the business model now...and I think it is brilliant. And I think it is fine for some people.

But it also pisses off some people...like me.

In fact...most people don't want anything to do with such things...because nearly everyone has heard the spiel by now.

I think it's borderline evil manipulating people to recruit and sell to family and friends.
 

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Barman....do you mind telling us the name of the company you are "partnering in".....
 

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MULTI LEVEL MARKETING GROUPS ARE CULTS!!!!
QUIXTAR (or Amway), Mona vie, World Financial Group, etc are all cults. It's all bullshit. Stay very far away from anyone who asks you to attend one of their stupid bullshit meetings! The do everything in their power to explain to you that their organization is everything but what their pitching. A FUCKING PYRAMID! They'll call it a business, a system, and opportunity, they'll even call it a way of life.

I know guys, friends (near and distant) as well as family members try to pitch me this atleast once a year. They've been doing this for almost 10 years now. And you know what? THEY'RE ALL BROKE OR STILL HAVE DAY JOBS!!!

Trust me guys, you'll be thanking me later.
 
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Besides, you have to question the motive of these stupid groups who claim to be business's or growth opportunities when at the end of their entire pitch or meeting..........THEY ASK YOU TO CUT THEM A FRIGGIN CHECK!!!
 

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Because I went to Primerica to sell financial advice and products.

I didn't go there to perform recruitment duty of friends and relatives under extreme peer pressure.

I understand the business model now...and I think it is brilliant. And I think it is fine for some people.

But it also pisses off some people...like me.

In fact...most people don't want anything to do with such things...because nearly everyone has heard the spiel by now.

I think it's borderline evil manipulating people to recruit and sell to family and friends.

MLM angers me as well. When I was in my early 20's I received a phone call from a childhood friend. I met him for a coffee and the Amway, "I have a dream" talk started. I didn't want to come off as rude so I even went to one of their cult meetings where they shipped in these speakers who made "diamond level" or whatever. It was such nonsense but I can see how some people would fall for it. They want to believe so badly. I could tell that my childhood friend just wanted more for himself and his new wife. He was willing to work hard and long hours. He was the perfect sucker.
 

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I think it's borderline evil manipulating people to recruit and sell to family and friends.

That's an astonishing stance. I would think that if one were to open any business on the planet one of your first target markets would be to check with family and friends to see who might use whatever products and services your business offers.

I guess if one feels they are able to be 'manipulated' by others - rather than taking responsibility for one's own choices - (market only to strangers if you're so inclined), it could create a feeling of complaint
 

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Barman....do you mind telling us the name of the company you are "partnering in".....

Asked and answered by my first post

I am working with a business group called Network 21, who uses Amway Global as their conduit for products and connection to other Fortune 500 suppliers.
 

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MULTI LEVEL MARKETING GROUPS ARE CULTS!!!!

I know guys, friends (near and distant) as well as family members try to pitch me this atleast once a year. They've been doing this for almost 10 years now. And you know what? THEY'RE ALL BROKE OR STILL HAVE DAY JOBS!!!

So you're saying you never met anyone involved with an MLM who has made and continue to make good money?

I have - many times going back to 1980

SCOTT L has noted at least one friend who has done very well with Primerica.

My current team leader at NW21 is a millionare many times over

These opportunities are certainly not for everyone. But to suggest they don't have staggering income potential - especially in comparison to status quo 21st century USA - seems a bit peevish.

It sounds as if you - like MisterMJ (and myself in previous years) - have encountered people who "try to get you in" and that's admittedly a posture on their parts which is unprofessional and not very inspiring.
 

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A handful of people have made money at this type of business.

No one here knows anyone that has made a bunch of money doing this type stuff and if they say they do...prove it...

Since you are so intelligent barman, you should be able to get rich off this...

Let us know how you are doing and don't forget us when you become a multi millionaire...

Complete waste of good time and effort...

Basically for dreamers
 

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Somehow I knew that WW would provide a qualified testimonial to the Topic questions

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WW:A handful of people have made money at this type of business.

B: Define "handful"

W: No one here knows anyone that has made a bunch of money doing this type stuff and if they say they do...prove it...

B: I've had the pleasure of knowing a couple dozen people in several states who have made a lifetime's money in one or more MLM businesses. But I'm sure I would not be able to "prove it" to ya, so let's pretend they don't exist

W: Since you are so intelligent barman, you should be able to get rich off this...

B: Hoping to at least replace my $1.79 per hour part time Rx Moderating job.

W: Let us know how you are doing and don't forget us when you become a multi millionaire...

B: The first two rounds are on me, but you have to buy the third round using some of your aluminum can and copper wire jack

W: Complete waste of good time and effort...

B: Compared to what?

W: Basically for dreamers

B: Admittedly, if you are unable to sustain a dream, you're not likely to be successful in any venture - even supervising crews of Mexicans mowing lawns in Albany NY
 

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With regard to Mister MJ's personal testimonial, I'll agree that if the people with who he was working in the early 90s via Primerica did in fact exert massive peer pressure to manipulate who and where he sold products and services, it's sadly unprofessional and was clearly counterproductive since it contributed to his dropping out of their system.
 

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So far just four testimonials with any particular details

I'm trying to learn here, brothers

Mister MJ
Kingbill
BruceFan
3Peet (with much enthusiasm!!!)
 

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Well, all I can say is keep us informed on how you are doing...

I think they sell flip charts in bulk at office depot...get u a lazer pointer and some crayons...I mean colored markers too...for effect

You are well on your way...I hear mexicans are into this type of thing...so look no further than your crew...

Long live excel
 

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MULTI LEVEL MARKETING GROUPS ARE CULTS!!!!
QUIXTAR (or Amway), Mona vie, World Financial Group, etc are all cults. It's all bullshit. Stay very far away from anyone who asks you to attend one of their stupid bullshit meetings! The do everything in their power to explain to you that their organization is everything but what their pitching. A FUCKING PYRAMID! They'll call it a business, a system, and opportunity, they'll even call it a way of life.

I know guys, friends (near and distant) as well as family members try to pitch me this atleast once a year. They've been doing this for almost 10 years now. And you know what? THEY'RE ALL BROKE OR STILL HAVE DAY JOBS!!!

I said earlier that they were scams but this is a much better description.

Trust me guys, you'll be thanking me later.

I said earlier that they were scams, but this is a much better description.
 

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And like whale, I know a few that made some money for a while but no one that made it into a lasting good business save the originator of the scheme.
 
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Avon or Mary Kay would seem solid for your Wife...I transported a Mary Kay pink Cadillac for one of the higher ups in Mary Kay back in the 80s...Of course not every lady as successful as the lady that had the caddy but it gives you something to shoot for...I was proud to haul that car put it right on back on the bottom with the Mary Kay logo in the back window facing rearward...They got good advertising on that trip from PA to Albeqerque,NM
 

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