Negro League Stats will now be MLB stats

[Mr_Mark]

They better acknowledge my T-ball records

 

[MattyMatt]

They better acknowledge my T-ball records

Coach’s pitch too... Mine had an underhanded rag arm! Home run city...

 

[TomGshotput]

I'm wondering if you have some facts wrong. Probably because you are good at throwing shit out there that's untrue. Then never returning to the thread once someone calls you on it.

Do you have any specific examples of getting my facts wrong? Any of these related to baseball history? Or is this just an example of you doing what you accuse others of and throwing shit out that is untrue?

It is also funny how Liberals think if I don't have an incessant need to always get the last word in on these internet chat boards that it is a problem.

But in the case you are actually correct.. (Don't care enough to fact check you) Including any stats from any league that was not part of Major League Baseball in the Major League Baseball record books is just as retarded as now adding Negro League stats. So your point (if true) is retarded.

Again, the question is why were the Liberals ok with this for the past 50 years, but only now are their feelings hurt by it? It is completely illogical.

 

[Dr.Love]

Again, the question is why were the Liberals ok with this for the past 50 years, but only now are their feelings hurt by it? It is completely illogical.

Um.. If you had any critical thinking skills, you would come to the conclusion that it's not illogical.

If other stats from other leagues were added 50 years ago, many of us weren't even born yet. And those of us that were, were probably more interested in chasing girls at school dances or racing cars in HS than interested in some dumb baseball stats being added to the record books. Not to mention this forum wasn't around then for anyone here to bitch about it.

 

[crudebar]

Does this affect my wagers? No?!

Okay, MLB then can do whatever they want with THEIR sport.

 

[Dr.Love]

Does this affect my wagers? No?!

Okay, MLB then can do whatever they want with THEIR sport.

Sure, but that doesn't make something not retarded.

 

[PoundFoolish]

Does this affect my wagers? No?!

Okay, MLB then can do whatever they want with THEIR sport.

it's an attempt to change history.

 

[crudebar]

Sure, but that doesn't make something not retarded.

it's an attempt to change history.

And Babe Ruth didn't have to play against black ball players for most of his career.

And sometimes seasons played fewer games.(Ruth hit 60 in 154 games yet Maris go the record for 61 in 162 games)

And some players were roided up over their careers when others weren't

People will remember their favorites no matter what the record books say.

I also think it can be debated if the negro league or mlb had the better collection of players. This isn't like including minor league stats or over sea's stats.

Then again, i simply might not feel as strongly on this either way as other's.

 

[Dr.Love]

And Babe Ruth didn't have to play against black ball players for most of his career.

My stance has nothing to do with black players. It's simply stupid to include stats from any leagues other than MLB in the MLB record books. Black, white, red, brown. Whatever.

It's dumb.

Including any stats from any league that was not part of Major League Baseball in the Major League Baseball record books is just as retarded as now adding Negro League stats. So your point (if true) is retarded.

 

[crudebar]

My stance has nothing to do with black players. It's simply stupid to include stats from any leagues other than MLB in the MLB record books. Black, white, red, brown. Whatever.

It's dumb.

Could be right, could be wrong.

But the MLB record book/stats are full of discrepancies.

 

[PoundFoolish]

And Babe Ruth didn't have to play against black ball players for most of his career.

And sometimes seasons played fewer games.(Ruth hit 60 in 154 games yet Maris go the record for 61 in 162 games)

And some players were roided up over their careers when others weren't

People will remember their favorites no matter what the record books say.

I also think it can be debated if the negro league or mlb had the better collection of players. This isn't like including minor league stats or over sea's stats.

Then again, i simply might not feel as strongly on this either way as other's.

I don't think you are understanding what we are saying. I don't care if blacks or whites were better. Negro League players did not play in MLB, why would their stats be included in it? Should white players stats be in Negro League history books? Of course not. It's liberal logic my friend.

 

[Dr.Love]

But the MLB record book/stats are full of discrepancies.

And that’s dumb too.

 

[PoundFoolish]

And Babe Ruth didn't have to play against black ball players for most of his career.

And sometimes seasons played fewer games.(Ruth hit 60 in 154 games yet Maris go the record for 61 in 162 games)

And some players were roided up over their careers when others weren't

People will remember their favorites no matter what the record books say.

I also think it can be debated if the negro league or mlb had the better collection of players. This isn't like including minor league stats or over sea's stats.

Then again, i simply might not feel as strongly on this either way as other's.

right Babe Ruth did not, so why are we gonna now pretend he did? It was wrong, but it happened.

 

[crudebar]

I don't think you are understanding what we are saying. I don't care if blacks or whites were better. Negro League players did not play in MLB, why would their stats be included in it? Should white players stats be in Negro League history books? Of course not. It's liberal logic my friend.

The understanding would be that these players were not in MLB because of their level of skill. It was simply because of the color of their skin.

So if it weren't for racism these stats were have been obtained in MLB. Some stats for some players would have obviously been better or worse.

But since i don't believe that the negro league was some sort of minor league and stats were inflated(of course accuracy is highly debatable, like CY Young claiming to have won 5 games in a weekend series) this probably occurred just as much in negro league as MLB.

Just my 2 cents. ​I can understand the other side though.

 

[PoundFoolish]

The understanding would be that these players were not in MLB because of their level of skill. It was simply because of the color of their skin.

So if it weren't for racism these stats were have been obtained in MLB. Some stats for some players would have obviously been better or worse.

But since i don't believe that the negro league was some sort of minor league and stats were inflated(of course accuracy is highly debatable, like CY Young claiming to have won 5 games in a weekend series) this probably occurred just as much in negro league as MLB.

Just my 2 cents. ​I can understand the other side though.

yes if it weren't for racism they would have been in MLB....guess what? They were not. If I didn't have a few extra pounds, I'd be in better shape, but it is not the case. It's like 1984, trying to change history.

 

[crudebar]

yes if it weren't for racism they would have been in MLB....guess what? They were not. If I didn't have a few extra pounds, I'd be in better shape, but it is not the case. It's like 1984, trying to change history.

You being in better shape is on you. Nothing black players could do about being black.

 

[PoundFoolish]

You being in better shape is on you. Nothing black players could do about being black.

so if I lose 20 lbs tomorrow, does that mean I weighed 20 lbs less six years ago? Cmon man, you are twisting like a pretzel to have this make sense. Women were not allowed to vote back in the day, does that mean my daughter did vote back then because she can vote now?

 

[crudebar]

so if I lose 20 lbs tomorrow, does that mean I weighed 20 lbs less six years ago? Cmon man, you are twisting like a pretzel to have this make sense. Women were not allowed to vote back in the day, does that mean my daughter did vote back then because she can vote now?

Not following this logic at all.

This is simply MLB trying to right a wrong the best they can.

I am out on this subject. But i appreciate the back and forth.

Will have to end up agreeing to disagree.

 

[PoundFoolish]

Not following this logic at all.

This is simply MLB trying to right a wrong the best they can.

I am out on this subject. But i appreciate the back and forth.

Will have to end up agreeing to disagree.

I'm saying if something did/didn't happen in past you cannot pretend it did now. It's liberal logic, which is why I guess you are pretending to understand it and defend it.

 

[TomGshotput]

Um.. If you had any critical thinking skills, you would come to the conclusion that it's not illogical.

If other stats from other leagues were added 50 years ago, many of us weren't even born yet. And those of us that were, were probably more interested in chasing girls at school dances or racing cars in HS than interested in some dumb baseball stats being added to the record books. Not to mention this forum wasn't around then for anyone here to bitch about it.

This is a really good point. For your entire life, stats from leagues other than MLB have been included in professional baseball statistical databases (Baseball Encyclopedia, Total Baseball, mlb.com, baseball-reference, fangraphs, etc.), and you never once thought it was a problem. Now suddenly something like this makes you get so emotional: https://www.mlb.com/player/dan-brouthers-111524