My Canbet story

dogs24 · Jul 15, 2003

By the way Patrick --

in response to your question, the report doesn't say whether the Commission is able to detect whether my wagers were deleted by myself or by Canbet. They write:

" In the circumstances, it is possible that Canbet intervened, either automatically or manually, to remove the ability of Mr _____ to press “Confirm” and create an enforceable (ie accepted) bet. I conclude that this is the most likely possibility. I also conclude that this action is permitted by Canbet pursuant to Rule 11 of the Canbet Betting Rules, whether due to Post-Past Wagering or for any other reason."
(my emphasis)

In sum, I would guess that they can't determine WHO deleted bets put through a couple clicks, all they CAN see is that those bets were indeed attempted.

[This message was edited by dogs24 on July 15, 2003 at 03:29 AM.]

lakerfan · Jul 15, 2003

If they are really doing that to you, I don't see why you wouldn't take your money and leave. Doing these protests to the Commission seems like overkill as you knew you didn't have a bet. So the only problem was that you couldn't bet with them. If Canbet refused to help you figure out the situation, I would just move on.

One thing to consider is Canbet software doesn't work with most non-Internet Explorer browsers. It wouldn't work for me with Mac, Opera, and even at times NetCaptor. I could see a different browser resulting in the problems you experienced.

MrKennedy · Jul 15, 2003

Dogs

you are the most long winded guy I've ever seen on these forums.

not to mention you have been here less than a week and already have negative stories against 2 reputable books.

Journeyman · Jul 15, 2003

I just can`t believe someone on the other end sits there and waits for your wagers to pop up and then ZAP em? There`s so many other ways to just move for both sides.....It just doesn`t sound logical, you mentioned you eventyualy won like 13 k which really isn`t that much in the big picture and you also admitted to being way down to them overall....The whole just seems illogocal... But at the same time makes me wonder , should we just call in the plays? Is Canbet just an internet shop, I thought you could call in to them?

DonMarco · Jul 15, 2003

dogs no hard feelings but i've seen many stories like this one before. i've played with canbet for several years now. over all i beat them, and never had any problem with them. and no i'm not a 50$ player.

that's why i think your story kinda sucks, reminds me of vega's olympic story.

but i stil love you because i wanna be a good poster. good luck dude

Jazz · Jul 15, 2003

from dogs: "although many of the wagers were placed at the last possible second, Canbet automatically prevents users from adding games to their register after the game has begun, and this is a crucial point I'll be arguing in my appeal as well."

I guess my question would be WHY were many of the wagers placed at the last possible second - if not to scalp/middle and these bets were made as SU plays, why would someone wait until the last possible second to place them, knowing if they lost their Net connection they would not have a chance of calling another out to get down? I mean, if one is on a roll with one's bets, why would you take the chance on missing out?

I am not saying Canbet's actions are justified if in fact those bets were scalps/middles - I am simply wondering why you would wait THAT long to place a bet if they were simply SU bets which you handicapped. Again, I am not questioning your appeal, nor your veracity, but I am wondering if any of those deleted wagers occurred at the time that a covering bet had been made in the interim at another book, which might then help explain the resolution you are showing in pursuing this - you'd already be out some coin. Assuming Canbet deleted these wagers, even if it was in their technical right to do so, I think that sucks.

Just wondering ...

dogs24 · Jul 15, 2003

Thanks to y'all for responding to my saga. I'll address your questions in turn.

Mr Kennedy -- Yep, it may very well sound 'weird' that I've only been a subscribed member of the RX and already have complaints against two books. But that doesn't make my complaints invalid. Jake already cleared up the Sportbet problem, effectively acknowledging my claims and that his CS messed up. And the Australian Commission's report, as I mentioned umpteen times, also agreed with my allegations that Canbet deleted my wagers...they just felt they were justified in doing so.

The fact that I haven't been a member of the RX for long doesn't make me a newbie. I've been reading these boards without posting for years. And I've been betting heavy online for five.

Journeyman -- Yep, it sounds weird that someone's sitting there zapping bets, but when it comes to losing money, people resort to all kinds of crazy things.

Jazz -- Like many gamblers, I like to wait until the last possible second to make my wagers. It has nothing to do with middling, it has to do with watching line fluctuation and being too lazy to do my research until the end of the day, at the last second...and also late enough to have an opportunity to see which starters are not playing.

oilman · Jul 15, 2003

I think that there could be alot of possible explanations as to why this has happened, the most likely being that the wagers were placed too late, the line changed or he got timed out.

I am not trying to insult dogs24 and normally I would side with a player on almost any book v player situation, but Canbet is a rock in this industry. Canbet will cut limits, although those limits are still better than alot of offshores, they also may even kick you out, but I can't for the life of me imagine that a huge book like Canbet is going to worry so much about 1 guys play that they put an employee in charge of watching for his wagers only to cancel them. If anything, Canbet would take your action at a low limit and then adjust their number if they respected your opinion that much. Books that offer low juice and thrive like Canbet and Pinnacle are not scared of big winners.

This ofcourse is just my opinion, but I've been playing with Canbet most of the baseball season and I've done some of things books hate, win, constantly moving money and always taking advantage of the better line and they have not said word 1 to me yet.

Canbet has been around a long time, pay fast, have low juice and other than cutting limits have had virtually no bad press. I hope anyone new to the forum doesn't read this thread and decide not to play at Canbet just because of it.

krackman · Jul 15, 2003

I believe Dogs story 100% and had a very similiar one with them in the past. The guy that runs canbet is a dickhead from the states. Cursed me out and slammed the phone down on me a few years ago. I commend you for going through the process of getting in touch with the Aussie Commision but I can never see you(or me)getting a decision in our favor.

Canbet is a good book AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT WIN TOO MUCH.

[This message was edited by krackman on July 15, 2003 at 04:42 PM.]

lander · Jul 15, 2003

"I guess my question would be WHY were many of the wagers placed at the last possible second - if not to scalp/middle and these bets were made as SU plays, why would someone wait until the last possible second to place them, knowing if they lost their Net connection they would not have a chance of calling another out to get down? I mean, if one is on a roll with one's bets, why would you take the chance on missing out?

I am not saying Canbet's actions are justified if in fact those bets were scalps/middles - I am simply wondering why you would wait THAT long to place a bet if they were simply SU bets which you handicapped. Again, I am not questioning your appeal, nor your veracity, but I am wondering if any of those deleted wagers occurred at the time that a covering bet had been made in the interim at another book, which might then help explain the resolution you are showing in pursuing this - you'd already be out some coin. Assuming Canbet deleted these wagers, even if it was in their technical right to do so, I think that sucks.

Just wondering ..."

Jazz, some books are EXTREMELY volitile in the last few seconds before they take the game off the board. It is nearly (if not completely) IMPOSSIBLE to get down on these sweet lines ... I was told by HIGHLY HIGHLY respected linesman that this is done to throw of handicappers grabbing closing lines off their sites. I cannot confirm or deny that this is the case with Canbet - I don't think so, but it's still an avenue worth considering

DonMarco · Jul 15, 2003

krackman

i did my research and here is what i came up with. i registered with canbet 2 years and 12 days ago. since then i made three deposits (first one of 2000 us$, second one of 1050$ and third one of 500$) for a grand total of 3550. I also had 6 withdraws for a grand total of 13 250 $. At this moment I have 2330 $ at canbet.

If my math is correct, I have won 2330+13250-3550=12 030$

I know that winning 12 grand over a two years period is not a fortune, but anyways, in those 2 years I never had a single problem with them. I stil bet the same amount of money on my plays, and sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, and sometimes it rains. However, I do win in a long run.

Now my question is : given your association with this site, does your opinion on this subject has anything to do with the fact that Canbet do not advertise here ? Just curious, what is your opinion on Olympic and Interwetten.

Thanks.

lander · Jul 15, 2003

Don,
Not to interupt, but to the best of my knowledge Canbet still does advertise here ... they're on the main page & I've been in talks with them for the line service

altice · Jul 15, 2003

Lander,

Great point about throwing off the cappers with the different spreads before game time. That is very interesting. I never thought about that.

Marco,

Canbet is a great book, but it isn't a favorite of the mover's mafia like a book like NAB.

DonMarco · Jul 15, 2003

lander

i thaught they were on a <honorable books that do not advertise> list. now i checked back and it looks like their bio is comming soon. if crackman is stil writting for the shrink, i think they may reconsider advertising with someone whose associates badmouth their compagny.

lakerfan · Jul 15, 2003

Krackman has knocked Canbet before. Don't think it has anything to do w/ ads (additionally, canbet is an advertiser here).

Don, my experience is similar to yours. Up 15k in a couple of years. I have never had any problem with them, but others who bet larger than me have had their limits cut (and they didn't even win as much). So Krackman's story is not unique. I personally like Canbet. Their withdrawal policy w/ Neteller is excellent.

DonMarco · Jul 15, 2003

lakerfan

glad to hear about your case. as for canbet advertising here, i was almost sure that they did not advertise for a long period of time. i don't know why but i do not like dealing with books that advertise here. i may very well reconsider my relationship with canbet now

neilm · Jul 15, 2003

As far as I know, Canbet does not pay to advertise. With their affiliate program they provide banners and sites receive a % commission on all bets placed (not on losses, on turnover) by players who sign up through their links.

krackman · Jul 15, 2003

Shrink knows exactly what my relationship with him and the site is. I do not care if someone advertises here or not if I have something good or bad to say I will say it.

krackman · Jul 15, 2003

Don- If you will "reconsider playing with a boook because they advertise on the rx" then why are you here to begin with? Personally I would rather play with a book that advertises on a site and has THREADS THAT TALK ABOUT THEM THAT GETS REVIEWS BY PEOPLE THAT PLAY AT THE BOOK.

Olympic is a great book.

Never played with interwetten.

vinividivinci · Jul 15, 2003

This whole story smells of rotten seafood. If a book did not want your action, all they have to do is close your account.

I can't see any bookmaker with so much time on his hands that he would play games with denying wagers.

This just can't be the whole story.

VVV