Moral compass question for those who claim they will no longer watch football.

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How many times are we actually tested about our patriotism ? not that often... Its happening right now ! enough don't like it.. What difference does it make why someone is offended or put off by it ?that's all that matters. Its happening.. now the repercussions are here.

Fuckn piece of crap Kapernick wears socks on the field depicting Cops as pigs and gets all kinds of backers for his cause... and they wonder why we're reacting to it ?
 

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When the dust settles (the plunging ratings, lost advertising revenue, lower ticket sales etc.) the avg. NFL player will have less leverage than a McDonalds worker.

That weasel Goodell and his billionaire spineless NFL owners have lost complete control of their millionaire employees and don't think for a minute fans (the REAL owners) will just sweep it under the rug.

It's the culture war, stupid...with the left choosing the NFL as their latest battlefield.

"Get that son of a bitch off the field!"

You better believe it.

The next CBA is going to be a doozy.
 

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This NFL protesting is a microcosm of todays society. We have the elite or as
I like to call them "the untouchables" running amok with total impunity. In this
case we have millionaires disrespecting the country that gave them that opportunity.
That to me is the epitome of hypocrisy.

Having said that I will continue to watch the NFL games because I like gamble on them.
It is what I live for at this time of the year. I'm willing to overlook the stupidity
because I enjoy the action.

Is my moral compass off its axis? Maybe but I do things that I enjoy. Does it irritate
me, yes a little but in the big scheme of things I see it as elites being stupid and I
know I can't fix stupid so I don't even bother to try.

To me the owners are responsible for this bullshit. They could put a stop to it if they
really cared. Apparently they don't but when their bottom line is affected watch how
fast it will come to an end.

Money talks and bullshit walks.
 

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This NFL protesting is a microcosm of todays society. We have the elite or as
I like to call them "the untouchables" running amok with total impunity. In this
case we have millionaires disrespecting the country that gave them that opportunity.
That to me is the epitome of hypocrisy.

Having said that I will continue to watch the NFL games because I like gamble on them.
It is what I live for at this time of the year. I'm willing to overlook the stupidity
because I enjoy the action.

Is my moral compass off its axis? Maybe but I do things that I enjoy. Does it irritate
me, yes a little but in the big scheme of things I see it as elites being stupid and I
know I can't fix stupid so I don't even bother to try.

To me the owners are responsible for this bullshit. They could put a stop to it if they
really cared. Apparently they don't but when their bottom line is affected watch how
fast it will come to an end.

Money talks and bullshit walks.

Wow, a voice of reason. Thank you Dave.
 

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I'm not sure I'm following your point? 100% of the players have bargaining power through the CBA. These are not at-will employees, they are collectively bargained employees with employment contracts, so any comparison to at-will employment is comparing apples and oranges.

That being said, I have yet to discuss this topic with anyone with knowledge in this area or who specializes in employment/contractual law who stated the owners couldn't terminate these employees for violation of thier employment contracts. It could open the door for litigation against the team/league through suits claiming breach of the CBA, discrimination, EEOC violations, etc., but none of those would stop a team from cutting ties with employees. Those suits could create significant financial liability for the team/league pending how they went about he terminations, but wouldn't prevent termination. That financial concern though is likely what's holding back any action from the teams/league at this point.

You're absolutely on point when you say owners are stuck.

I'm not talking about bargaining power as far as the CBA goes. I'm talking about bargaining power as in their position within the NFL, as in, playing on their team. Unless the player is an absolute superstar, they can be replaced. If owners start to lose money, they will demand these players stand and if the players refuse, they will cut them.
 

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This NFL protesting is a microcosm of todays society. We have the elite or as
I like to call them "the untouchables" running amok with total impunity. In this
case we have millionaires disrespecting the country that gave them that opportunity.
That to me is the epitome of hypocrisy.

Having said that I will continue to watch the NFL games because I like gamble on them.
It is what I live for at this time of the year. I'm willing to overlook the stupidity
because I enjoy the action.

Is my moral compass off its axis? Maybe but I do things that I enjoy. Does it irritate
me, yes a little but in the big scheme of things I see it as elites being stupid and I
know I can't fix stupid so I don't even bother to try.

To me the owners are responsible for this bullshit. They could put a stop to it if they
really cared. Apparently they don't but when their bottom line is affected watch how
fast it will come to an end.

Money talks and bullshit walks.



Well said Dave
 

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How many times are we actually tested about our patriotism ? not that often... Its happening right now ! enough don't like it.. What difference does it make why someone is offended or put off by it ?that's all that matters. Its happening.. now the repercussions are here.

people arent really offended..they don't give a shit but it's the "herd" mentality again..its hip to be offended.
 

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people arent really offended..they don't give a shit but it's the "herd" mentality again..its hip to be offended.

I think you're very wrong here. It's hip to be gay, it's not hip to be offended by protests against patriotism.

Being patriotic is very real and very serious bullshit to most people.

Women, beer and the American Flag.
 

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I'm just curious how your moral compass works.

The NFL has had numerous domestic abuse issues involving wife/girlfriend beaters, a dog killer, multiple DUIs, players with illegal firearms, and players involved with killings, and yet you still watched football. And yet, if someone protests the national anthem, now you're so appalled you will no longer watch the games. Why?

Spare me the legalese (I'm not asking anything about 1st Amendment rights) and spare me the "last straw" nonsense as I'm not buying that you'd stop watching if there was another wife beater incident. Also, I'd appreciate your comment instead of letting some Op/Ed do your talking.

The Objection IS that were you able to look into The Hearts of a majority of those Protesting (Kneeling, BLM and Antifa + all the other Virtue Signaling Waifs who take part in what we're seeing) you'd find near Zero Earnest Concern for what they claim to be kneeling down against. If it were possible to see into their Souls to WHY.....they are taking part.

You'd find motivation that equals wanting to EXHIBIT a RIGHTEOUSNESS that Exalts Them (Their Selves) within the eyes of others. And their Own Eyes.

This is "Virtue Signaling 101", what these Clones are doing.

Problem #2 with it is: 'Do We Benefit from allowing Small Minded Attention Whores to Set Policy here, establish The Rules We Live By...or might allowing such prove to be -EV, for Us?"

Third Issue is: They are Never Ever Gonna Stop. The Social Justice Warriors (SJWs) have been allowed to taste that Blood that is Most Holy to Them: Attention.

The Blacks Protesting: taking it all the way back through their Bloodline to The Point at which, for Very Survival, they HAD to Overcome & Dominate: They Cannot Stop, because it is literally Ingrained within their DNA to Be The Alpha Beast. Within that Jungle they exist within.

We've shown Them Weakness. They & The SJW's. By Not Standing Up To Them, going backwards in time by allowing Seeds of Savagery within Our Garden.*

*Looooong Ass "story" there....way too long, matters little what will be will be. We can Hope somehow for Evolution, Towards Peace.



If any one of these protesters genuinely had anything even CLOSE to Concern for Black Lives they'd be doing all within their Powers to see Black Fathers not abandon their potentially beautiful little Black Babies. They'd devote their lives to seeing, from The Womb: Gramma Get Some Help Raising These potentially Magnificent People Up.



Combatting DNA, Whats Engraved Within a Human......its a Battle that has to be started from when a human first comes out the Womb cuz that First Learning Period - Vital......to OverCome whats....Naturally "Meant."



Your Question about why no similar outrage due to that other stuff you mentioned is that those are Sad Situations and not the first initial stumbling footsteps of a Coup. Of Our Country. By a bunch of zombies led by brains laid to Waste by BPA and Pharmaceuticals & Participation Trophy Parenting & Offspring of The Tribal Way

which is to POUNCE upon Fear & Weakness.



They Know That "We" (meaning The General American) Are Terrified of Them. And that Our Own Offspring Are Weak.



So Weak that its inconceivable that We reached this point so quickly. Feels like literally: The Bat of an Eye.


All of a Sudden: Massive Weakness. Gender Confusion, Invitation to The Devil, to Come Right On In.
 

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I think you're very wrong here. It's hip to be gay, it's not hip to be offended by protests against patriotism.

Being patriotic is very real and very serious bullshit to most people.

Women, beer and the American Flag.

Disagree completely but its hard to determine why anyone does anything.
 

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I boycotted the NFL last week but not sure how principled I will be in following through with the boycott. I am a die hard raider fan and I have waited quite a while for a team this talented and it is going to be tough to not watch. But I will tell you what I find offensive.

1. ESPN/NFL Network are politicizing sports. I have strong political opinions. Other people have strong opinions the opposite way. On a Sunday in a given city, people all over the city would gather in the stadium and bond in their commonality .. American values and backing the home team. It was a bonding experience and relief from the daily politics. I remember getting angry years ago when Bob Costas did a halftime speech on gun control. Just show me some highlights. So when the players start protesting, I now have to react to it and people next to me have to react to it and with some of those people I am going to disagree and we are going to argue and there goes my enjoyment of the game. I was going to have a good time with a friend and now he is mad at me because I just crushed him in a political debate. We want this shit out of our sports. During the election, there was a headline on one of the segments on espn asking the question "Is Tom Brady getting a free pass for support of Trump".

2. While America is flawed, it has been by far the greatest nation when it comes to fighting oppression across planet Earth. Not just in current times but in the history of the world. Protesting the symbol of freedom for oppressive police activity is just stupid and that stupidity hurts my sensibilities.

3. Unlike domestic abuse, kobe raping a chick in colorado, R Lewis being at a minimum an accessory to the death of another human, a dui or any number of other crimes, this seems to be getting the approval of the league. When kobe rapes a woman, that is just him being himself, it is not representative of the whole league. In fact, the league fights it. Here the league seems complicit in the stupidity.

4. None of the players seem to know what they are protesting or at a minimum cannot articulate it. Protesting the flag as your methodology to promote your cause is killing your message. No one is talking about the police brutality issue or anything other than how people feel about the flag part of their protest.

5. I am tired of the bullshit excuses about every problem being the fault of someone other than the individual. There is still racism and there is still inequities in our justice system and we should all want to end that as best we can. I think this protesting hurts racial relations progress.
 

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Very Well Said ^^. One Hella Lot Better Said than Talking Heads on The TV and also any "Experts" I've heard that they've invited on. From Either Side: Lunatic Fringe "Left" who's Main Say is "Everyone But US are Racist POS, and Unenlightened Deplorables" and even Better Said than I've heard from Media of the side that isn't them.


"5. (I am tired of the bullshit excuses about) every problem being the fault of someone other than the individual." is a thing that when I saw this Phenomenon rise up within USA I never dreamed could reach the epidemic proportions that it has, Today.

So many other of your thoughts, also Spot On. Not the least of which: your Honest words about the situation as it involves casting aside NFL Football.
 

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