Moral compass question for those who claim they will no longer watch football.

[Willie99]

I'm not one who said he'd never watch, but I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

People who commit crimes are usually prosecuted, usually suspended, and most importantly their behavior is never condoned

People who are protesting the anthem under the misguided principle of "social injustice" are fucking idiots. They're insulting our veterans, they're literally calling law enforcement officers racists, they're spitting in the face of most Americans who are appalled by their behavior, they're hypocrites extraordinaire, they're behavior is racist or incites racism and most importantly, their ignorant behavior is condoned by the NFL despite the fact that it's in direct violation of the NFL's Rules of Conduct.

 

[Enfuego]

I'm not one who said he'd never watch, but I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

People who commit crimes are usually prosecuted, usually suspended, and most importantly their behavior is never condoned

People who are protesting the anthem under the misguided principle of "social injustice" are fucking idiots. They're insulting our veterans, they're literally calling law enforcement officers racists, they're spitting in the face of most Americans who are appalled by their behavior, they're hypocrites extraordinaire, they're behavior is racist or incites racism and most importantly, their ignorant behavior is condoned by the NFL despite the fact that it's in direct violation of the NFL's Rules of Conduct.

There better be an end for the NFL or the owners will lose money and we know they won't tolerate losing money.

 

[rolltide]

I refused to turn the Patriots game on on Sunday. And I'm hoping to hold out. I love the NFL. But I love the country that gave me opportunity more.

while the OP isn't, ahemm, buying the "last straw" explanation for some of us it's absolutely true. I used to love the Steelers and the NFL but little by little they've chipped away at me where i now watch exactly 3.5 hours of NFL/week, the beginning to end of Steelers games. So it is much easier for me now, starting Sunday, to abstain for NFL viewing because i had already stopped caring about the league long ago and was simply a fan of the Steelers. And even that had been beaten down from psycho superfan to ambivalent observer. I had no problem throwing away my Big Ben stuff after the bar rape, nor did i have a problem throwing away my Terrence Cody Bama stuff after he killed his dogs. I wrote the Steelers after welcoming Harrison and Porter back to Pittsburgh, again with the hire of Mike Vick, and twice since Sunday....no reply, of course...they don't give a shit so I won't give a shit. This Sunday I choose to watch a little morning EPL, head out to do some gardening, mow the lawn, and watch the Presidents Cup. I've missed ONE Steelers game in 25 years (last year vs Browns i was stuck on a plane coming back from DR and did not see a single play live for first time since college) but will not watch or listen to a single play live vs Baltimore. I needed the final push and i got it last Sunday...simple as that.

This won't do a damn thing to the psycho Steelers fan (like i was 15-20 years ago) but to the casual fan the break is much easier to make after these last 7 years of embarrassing, illegal, and disgusting behavior. That's why this was, for me, the final straw. The OP can buy this reasoning or shove it up his californian ass...doesn't make a difference to me. I gave the Steelers too many strikes already and fully agree I should have made this break sooner but when you're psycho super-fan it takes a while to make a clean break...7 years in my case.

 

[SheriffJoe]

God, family, country, football - in that order.

Ray Lewis, probably somewhere around 634,253. Who cares.

Seriously...

What would Vince Lombardi think of these PC pu$$ies "protesting" the Star-Spangled Banner? Read the words and it all makes perfect sense.

On the other hand, in 2017, should we really be surprised this is happening? I'm not. A quick Google search reveals there are literally hundreds of incidences of teachers, school administrators and other radical leftists discouraging, and in some cases outright FORBIDDING, children from wearing American flags or symbols. Too 'divisive' they argue. uke1:

Little by little, the left is chipping away at America, its values, history, culture and people, including the globalist vision of no borders whatsoever!

Trump's Patriotic response of "get that son of a bitch off the field!" rings true for the silent majority who feel God, family, country and now their football are under attack by the radical left.

Yes, the left really HATES America and everything she represents, including the Star-Spangled Banner. What? Don't believe me?

It's 'racist' dont cha know...

Star-Spangled Bigotry: The Hidden Racist History of the National Anthem
http://www.theroot.com/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-of-the-1790855893

 

[JohnnyMac]

I don't at all.

Let's say you walk up to the counter at McDonald's and order a quarter pounder, large fry and a coke. The cashier smiles and says "That will be $7.50 and by the way, Make America Great Again...vote for Donald Trump."

How many minutes would it be before the cashier got fired for doing that at work?

That counter worker doesn't have the bargaining power of the NFL players. And, it seems like a large percentage of the NFL owners either agree with the players, or are willing to stomach this protest in order to continue doing business.

McDonalds could continue doing business without one line worker.

 

[Mr_Mark]

Isn't protesting the National Anthem, protesting Freedom?
Freedom of speech, freedom to not stand, freedom's that some other countries do not have.
Situation is an oxymoron in a cycle of contradictory...

 

[Enfuego]

That counter worker doesn't have the bargaining power of the NFL players. And, it seems like a large percentage of the NFL owners either agree with the players, or are willing to stomach this protest in order to continue doing business.

McDonalds could continue doing business without one line worker.

I'd say 5% of NFL players actually have bargaining power. These are your Bradys, V. Miller, Ryan, A. Brown. The superstars. After that, they're all replaceable by 100 guys standing in line.

NFL owners want to make money. Period...end of story. Do you honestly think they're happy right now? They're stuck. They must support the players but appeal to the fan base. They can't win.

My point was, you can't protest at work if your boss fires you. It's that simple.

 

[Mr_Mark]

That counter worker doesn't have the bargaining power of the NFL players. And, it seems like a large percentage of the NFL owners either agree with the players, or are willing to stomach this protest in order to continue doing business.

McDonalds could continue doing business without one line worker.

Your statement is true... those players are privileged.

 

[JohnnyMac]

I'd say 5% of NFL players actually have bargaining power. These are your Bradys, V. Miller, Ryan, A. Brown. The superstars. After that, they're all replaceable by 100 guys standing in line.

NFL owners want to make money. Period...end of story. Do you honestly think they're happy right now? They're stuck. They must support the players but appeal to the fan base. They can't win.

My point was, you can't protest at work if your boss fires you. It's that simple.

You are right, a boss can control his workplace. The NBA owners have controlled their uppity *players* by codifying a rule ( probably through collective bargaining?) that requires the NBA players to stand during the anthem.

I would expect the NFL owners to extract similar concessions in the next labor contract.

 

[Albatross]

I will watch it because I personally love football. The guys protesting are just showing how shallow they are. I think protesting during the national anthem by mostly black people that all are millionaires is just plain ignorance. If they want to help they would do more than shit on the American anthem. At the end of the day they are entertainers that majority of Americans dont give a damn about their political views. It does bring the snowflakes into watching the games. The crazy thing to me is they bitch about the POTUS simply saying what most people feel, but want to silence him. Pot meet the kettle.

Once the whistle is blown the game rolls. After the horn blows nobody wants to hear their political views. Like I said, they are paid entertainers playing a game that Americans love. Outside of that, its all white noise.

 

[Enfuego]

You are right, a boss can control his workplace. The NBA owners have controlled their uppity *players* by codifying a rule ( probably through collective bargaining?) that requires the NBA players to stand during the anthem.

I would expect the NFL owners to extract similar concessions in the next labor contract.

I agree however there is a player conduct policy in place now in the NFL and if an owner deemed the player's behavior to violate the player conduct policy, they could do something tomorrow if they wanted to.

 

[rolltide]

And, it seems like a large percentage of the NFL owners either agree with the players, or are willing to stomach this protest in order to continue doing business.

it's still very early yet to be making blanket statements about how much the NFL owners are willing to stomach. No doubt last week was inmates running the asylum but it's always about money. If the 44% truly boycott the NFL (highly doubtful) like they pledged on a survey THEN you'll start seeing the league and owners acting like businessmen, not the head of a team fanzine. The player conduct policy has been completely violated already so if it starts hitting the pocketbook you'll see action taken. This weekend's rating will say a lot IMHO ... if you don't see an across-the-board >10% ratings decline from LY then players will ultimately win...what they'll win, i have no idea...and neither do they

 

[trytrytry]

the NFL Will bring more female visible cleavage and sideline eye candy to the screen and the 3% trumpies who follow orders and left will be back holding their dicks, and fantasy teams again. enjoy a few weeks of buffalo wild wings with decent service.

 

[PatsFan1283]

This whole thing is stupid to me..kneel, lay down, moon the flag who cares. Everyone all of the sudden is some super patriot. Why do you stand? Why do you take off your hat? Its cuz you don't want to be "that guy". Everyone falls in lockstep and are sheep led to slaughter..its herd mentality not "patriotism"

Getting off topic of OP but cultural/racial issues pretty much the golden egg to divide and distract the population that the establishment/ruling class has.

You couldn't have open borders, 0% fed funds rate, 20T in debt, foreign nation building entanglements etc etc if you couldn't rile the masses up with distractions like this.

Look who benefits from culture wars: the media, politicians and those who benefit from entrenched swamp policy.

 

[bodyforlife]

To compare what the desecration of these hallowed symbols to some dastardly individual deeds is simply inappropriate.

I appreciate the passion, but I'll completely disagree with you. It's not inappropriate at all. When I think back to watching a woman get clocked in an elevator (I'm amazed she even got up from that hit), and then thinking about a person that actually electrocuted dogs, and someone put that on the same level of someone that takes a knee or sits down during the anthem, causing no physical harm to anyone, well sorry, it's not even close. Ever heard "sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me"? There will always be people that will disrespect the country, but if all they're doing is protesting, that's not hurting anyone. Viciously hitting women and electrocuting dogs are your sticks and stones. If people aren't going to stop watching for that, I would hardly expect them to stop for these protests. That makes zero sense to me and I think the moral compass here is a little out of whack.

 

[bodyforlife]

I'm not one who said he'd never watch, but I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

People who commit crimes are usually prosecuted, usually suspended, and most importantly their behavior is never condoned

People who are protesting the anthem under the misguided principle of "social injustice" are fucking idiots. They're insulting our veterans, they're literally calling law enforcement officers racists, they're spitting in the face of most Americans who are appalled by their behavior, they're hypocrites extraordinaire, they're behavior is racist or incites racism and most importantly, their ignorant behavior is condoned by the NFL despite the fact that it's in direct violation of the NFL's Rules of Conduct.

Willie,

You can't possibly believe that. If a player can help a team win and add to their bottom line, the NFL will look the other way every time. We both know this to be true. Their player conduct policy can be used for toilet paper as they've consistently shit on it, time and time again.

 

[Enfuego]

I appreciate the passion, but I'll completely disagree with you. It's not inappropriate at all. When I think back to watching a woman get clocked in an elevator (I'm amazed she even got up from that hit), and then thinking about a person that actually electrocuted dogs, and someone put that on the same level of someone that takes a knee or sits down during the anthem, causing no physical harm to anyone, well sorry, it's not even close. Ever heard "sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me"? There will always be people that will disrespect the country, but if all they're doing is protesting, that's not hurting anyone. Viciously hitting women and electrocuting dogs are your sticks and stones. If people aren't going to stop watching for that, I would hardly expect them to stop for these protests. That makes zero sense to me and I think the moral compass here is a little out of whack.

The public was so outraged, that man never played in the NFL again. That's not a good example.

 

[Acebb]

I'm just curious how your moral compass works.

The NFL has had numerous domestic abuse issues involving wife/girlfriend beaters, a dog killer, multiple DUIs, players with illegal firearms, and players involved with killings, and yet you still watched football. And yet, if someone protests the national anthem, now you're so appalled you will no longer watch the games. Why?

Do you mean besides the fact you are comparing dissimilar things?

Let’s take the Mike Vick example. When Vick was indicted, the NFL and the Falcons spoke out against him. In fact, he was barred from the training camp even before he was convicted. He then pled guilty and went to jail. After he was released from jail, he said what he did was wrong and apologized profusely.

Conversely, when it comes to the National Anthem protests, the NFL is actively encouraging it.

Substitute “wife beating” and all the rest to get to the answer to this question.

 

[bodyforlife]

Do you mean besides the fact you are comparing dissimilar things?

Let’s take the Mike Vick example. When Vick was indicted, the NFL and the Falcons spoke out against him. In fact, he was barred from the training camp even before he was convicted. He then pled guilty and went to jail. After he was released from jail, he said what he did was wrong and apologized profusely.

Conversely, when it comes to the National Anthem protests, the NFL is actively encouraging it.

Substitute “wife beating” and all the rest to get to the answer to this question.

Did you read the original post?

 

[Acebb]

Did you read the original post?

Yes. You don't seem to understand that you're comparing apples to oranges.

Let me help you: If the NFL never said what Vick did was wrong (they also suspended him after jail) then you would have a comparison.

You don't have a comparison.