Everything you've said makes perfect sense to any honest person capable of honest thought, NFL T.
The US Constitution prohibits "impeding the free exercise of religion".
Why are Christians, or Jews, or Muslims for that matter, any less important than blacks or gays?
The Constityution says they arten't. But liberals like vitard say they don't count.
Is that a "retarded" position? Yes.
Draw your own conclusions re those who hold it.
The US Constitution prohibits "impeding the free exercise of religion".
Why are Christians, or Jews, or Muslims for that matter, any less important than blacks or gays?
The Constityution says they arten't. But liberals like vitard say they don't count.
Is that a "retarded" position? Yes.
Draw your own conclusions re those who hold it.
Yeah, I forgot they added the "Being gay is bad" to the bible the past couple of years. My mistake.... I hate these new religions and updates to the bible, so hard to keep up with what they believe in now days.
I always thought the reason the pilgrims (known as separatists in England) moved to Holland first, then to America, to protect their religious freedoms, was the basis of how America was formed.
So now the main reason and initial reason for settling in America, is one of the least protected things in America.... that is disheartening and sad.
Yes it is, and add Religion. You cannot refuse service based on a Religion. That's also discrimination. A Jewish bakery has to serve Muslims. A Muslim bakery has to serve Jews.
A business cannot discriminate based on these things. Gay Marriage is soon to be the law of the land, it's already the law in many states, and you cannot refuse to cater one based on your Religious beliefs. You're breaking the law if you do, and should be punished appropriately. You cannot refuse to cater a Mixed Religion or Mixed Race wedding simply because you don't believe in them. That's illegal. Religions needs to catch up to society, much like Mormons finally let Blacks in in 1978, catching up to the Civil Rights act of 1964.
Question to you guys that don't think gays should be served:
So what if I'm against blacks and whites being married and I own a pizza shop, let's call it "Vladds Pizzaria" Say an Oreo couple wants me to cater, can (should) I be able to say no because it's against my beliefs.
So what if I'm against blacks and whites being married and I own a pizza shop, let's call it "Vladds Pizzaria" Say an Oreo couple wants me to cater, can (should) I be able to say no because it's against my beliefs.
Reno, First disclaimer is that I'm not a religious scholar or expert. I don't even "practice" as a Catholic who only goes to church on occasion. But I do know that I was taught as a kid that homosexual behaviour was wrong. I do believe that that position is held by most of the major religions, Catholic, Jewish, and Muslim. As a Catholic I was never taught that skin color was right or wrong. So your hypothetical would not be covered by my religious beliefs and I don't believe by any of the other major religions either. So not serving blacks would not be protected by the religious freedom clauses of the First Amendment. Comprende?
uke1: 
You're dreaming of country comprised of a large enough number of people "cut from the same cloth" as the founders of this country to effectively rise up against a government as large, as wealthy and as powerful as this one. This is simply not going to happen.
The needed Tools are not present in this shed to construct the Revolution you describe. The Civil Disobedience you see today, mostly Social Media, is largely just kids (people 28 years of age or younger) & unemployed/retired or stay at home moms pretending to be Che Guevara and MLK, Cesar Chavez and Susan Anthony.
What good does it do to entertain such a fantasy? "Revolution" in the USA. Would YOU wanna run this mess, steward this mass of whiny self-entitled cowards?
No, you wouldn't. If any part of you even thinks "yeah...I wouldn't mind giving it a try" you should fully realize along with that insane undertaking would come the absolute inescapable reality that (in your own words)
where regards actually succeeding in saving this sinking ship would require a "Final Solution" that humanity, historically has found to be barbaric beyond words. And they're right.
Morally, HUMANly...it should not be a thing anyone would want to be a part of.
So whats the longterm (big picture) Fantasy that you see? That you'd have play out here? Let's say the completely impossible were to happen and The "Revolution" you babble about happened. What this "look like"....your New & Improved USA?
I'm not knocking you, although it may sound so. Its inherent in the Human to Hope. Without this we are lost. I'm just asking you to examine your dream and elaborate for me on what exactly it is and how realistic you, as a thinking human being consider it to be.
Might a more appropriate dream be to gather your family together and return to your ancestral homeland and construct you dream there? Rather than fighting a battle that cannot possibly be won against the massive tide of apathy and cowardice that makes up the character of the modern inhabitants of the "United" States of America?
Salvaging Kenya may also not be a real +EV undertaking.
I was bought up catholic too, and at no time was I taught to discriminate against gays or anyone. I was taught to love my enemies and to even be hospitable to them. I've actually read the book that many claim to practice. Discriminating against gays isn't practicing christianity, it's not observing you freedom of religion. That's a perverse and radical view of christianity. Where are all the places refusing to serve people, that have been divorced? Or the countless many other sins. There aren't any, and that's because, that's not what being a Christian is about. Bigots just use it as an excuse. During the 60's radical christians did point out parts of the old testaments, to support their bigotry towards interracial couples.
These current battles are less about discrimination than they are about people getting to play "revolutionary". Remove the "struggle" from these bad actors (blacks and gays) and what do they have in their lives? What is left for them to use to draw attention to themselves?
Very Little, thats what. Without these opportunities to gain attention, to yell in the street or on twitter the type of "character profile" that you're dealing with here (human desperate for attention and/or just intellectually immature) these people would be....what?
I don't even know that theres a word for what they'd be.
"unhappy" is s'pose would begin to scrape the surface of what they'd be. Sans these chances to "Cry Out!!"
They're raised on The Movies and the legends of MLK, Kennedy, Guevara. These "Revolutionaries" of today they just wanna be in the movies, facebook famous. Have a Viral video on YT...
99% of them couldn't care less about whatever cause it is they're crying about.
Were you taught that not believing in Jesus as the savior was wrong? Does that mean you'd be against doing business with Jews? Or atheist? I call bull shit. Religion here is being used an excuse to be a bigot, which is wrong. Don't get me wrong though, I'm a libertarian and think people should be allowed to be bigots on their own property, I'm not going to pretend it's something else though.
