Potty mouth.....Steve Stevens. 5 minute video and he cursed at least 20X. LOL
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I have been gambling for over 20 years and have done very extensive research on every so-called sports monitor. I discovered most are actually owned by services themselves and “monitoring” is used as a creative way to sell picks and to profit from their competitors sales and, in effect, even “hijack” their competitors web traffic. Another way they operate is a “pay-to-play” method whereby they charge large amounts of money to “monitor” your picks or to “feature” you and promote your service. These are very poor business models and also mislead the public into thinking certain cappers are the “best”. I will explain more using the 3 names mentioned in the original post.
1. Sports Watch Monitor - claims to be located in Las Vegas but the owners are from the Midwest and use a PO Box to give the illusion they are in Vegas, most likely for “credibility”. One of it’s primary owners is Rocky Atkinson of Rocketman Sports. For those who don’t know he is not a very good capper but somehow since the “re-creation” of SWM he is almost always at the top of the rankings. Coincidence? I also have firsthand knowledge that they change picks after the games end too. How they get away with it is by blaming it on the live feeds cappers use to make picks. These feeds are periodically “down” and when this happens they encourage their so-called pros to email their picks to them. They make it look like they’re doing the capper a favor by offering this but the next day when the picks show up certain cappers almost always win the games that were sent by email and overall results are often dramatically different from the previous day, before the site was “down”. They also make it virtually impossible to follow or verify because they only allow you to see the last 500 picks of history. But wait, they are happy to email you the entire history for any capper if you request it. Where’s the credibility in this and who would ever trust that? Again, I have mounds of evidence of this happening with them so I caution anyone who thinks they are legit.
2. Cappertek - this is probably the worst of them all. The owner pretends to be different services and those services are “featured” and promoted exclusively, giving the illusion they are the “best”. They also give other services the ability to pay big money to be featured with his fake group and in return he will “make sure” your results are always great! Customer service is always signed by different names, giving the illusion they are bigger than they are. I also learned that he uses strong arm tactics with cappers he is soliciting to sign up with his site. If you ignore his request or then him down it is almost no certain bad customer reviews will be written about you on his site. Lastly, when you sign up there you’re information is guaranteed to be sold to anyone who purchases his “leads” he advertises on his website. Where do you think the leads are coming from? Personally, I would avoid at all costs!
3. Oklahoma - I’ve been told by a very reliable source that this site is owned by a service whose name I won’t reveal yet until I have the evidence in my possession. I’m also being told he hides this fact by sheltering it under his spouses or female friends name. But let’s look beyond this and assume it’s not true. What we can’t ignore is this site is clearly a “pay-to-play” site. All services there pay big fees per sport to be “monitored” and we all know that when big money exchanges hands it automatically creates a major conflict of interest. No industry or company is exempt from it. And the site is filled with industry advertisers which also creates more conflicts of interest too. This might be the “best” as the original poster states but at best it should only be considered the best of the worst.
The truth is there isn't one “monitor” that is truly independent and operating without major conflicts of interest or hidden agendas. And even if there was one that could be trusted completely there’s always the separate issue of not being able to trust the results anyway. The reason is because very few cappers ever have 100% if their picks monitored in one place. This is done intentionally to make it difficult for the public to ever know the real truth or to see the whole picture! They rely heavily on the law of confusion to keep the cash register ringing!
Ive been a long time user of this site and have tried many times to get my account a activated so I can share truthful and helpful information to help protect consumers. Finally, today I was successful in getting someone to help me.
I have found this to be a accurate statement based on my research. If you look at these so called sports monitoring service there is a clear agenda. They promo certain handicapping services. Some of those services I have used at the same time they where supposed to be monitored. I found discrepancy's in the way the units and profits where reported fairly often.
Monitoring sports services is not a lucrative industry, so why do they do? To promote existing or their own handicapping service.
The SportsMonitor of Oklahoma has been around since 1985, and owned and operated by the same person- Ruth Glasgow. She has a glowing reputation, just do a google search and you'll see many, many articles mentioning her and the business. I know a few of these touts, and have talked to many more over my 45+ years of sports gambling. I've never heard a negative comment or mention they are dishonest in any way. A number of services I've used in the past have paid to have their picks monitored to increase their legitimacy- all the records have been 100% correct.
SportsData mentions BIG money changing hands to have their records recorded- well, I don't know what he considers BIG money- but it's surely not a lot of money over the course of a year. And not as much as most of you would expect it to be. So, I stand by my original post- they are the go-to monitor by legit touts, their records are accurate and they have a stellar reputation in the industry. If you have something specific to refute my claims, I'd hope you'd share it with everyone and give everyone a chance to check the legitimacy of the claim.....
SportsData mentions BIG money changing hands to have their records recorded- well, I don't know what he considers BIG money- but it's surely not a lot of money over the course of a year. And not as much as most of you would expect it to be. So, I stand by my original post- they are the go-to monitor by legit touts, their records are accurate and they have a stellar reputation in the industry. If you have something specific to refute my claims, I'd hope you'd share it with everyone and give everyone a chance to check the legitimacy of the claim.....
Not sure why you feel so strongly about them, perhaps you have an affiliation to them or are actually a capper there under an alias here. Regardless, I am not interested in debating "opinions" and will only ever state facts that can be verified. In the end, it's up to each person here to use their own discernment and only take away what resonates with them.
Oklahoma charges $300 per sport or $500 for all sports. Is this a lot of money? You be the judge, but when you factor in the number of sports each has to pay for, or the total number of handicappers being monitored, the potential for significant money exchanging hands exists. As for Ruth Glasgow I wouldn't call her reputation "glowing" since you don't need to look to very hard to find Oklahoma's share of critics and skeptics over the years. Many touts at Oklahoma are some of the most seasoned vets in the business but that doesn't make them the best, or even legit. In the 80s and 90s there was an explosion of touts showing up making wild and bogus claims. They used the phone as their weapon, issuing opposite sides of games to always guarantee returning customers. But with technology and the internet still in its infancy stages it was easy to get away with it because nobody could ever verify the truth. Many of these same touts still operate this way today and it's mind boggling to me the number of people that still fall for their tactics. The bottom line is no phone service legit and none should ever be trusted. So-called "monitors" are, and always have been, creative ways for touts who own them to generate leads and increase sales. This is still true today. As it pertains to Ruth Glasgow let's ask ourselves this one question, "why would a woman who lives in Oklahoma (not even Vegas) be so interested in establishing a sports monitor during such a male dominated period of the 1980s inside a male dominated industry?". To me, this is a very fair question and, at minimum, should raise a brow and make you curious. Seriously, what motivated her to do this? Living in Oklahoma during a time when technology barely existed how did she even have awareness to the tout industry or the potential need for monitoring? Let's move forward and assume there is nobody else behind the face of Ruth Glasgow and her company and let's talk about the results instead. The results at Oklahoma, or any other monitor, can't be trusted. No monitor requires 100% of a handicapper picks be monitored with them. Instead, they require a minimum number of picks to be monitored. This leads to results that are unreliable and can never be trusted because you may never be looking at the capper's entire picture, only a portion. Have you ever compared the results of cappers at Oklahoma with what they claim on their own websites or what is even displayed at other monitors? Try it....
Actually, I figured you'd come back with an email like this. You're 1st and second emails on the site and you are questioning me and my motivation?????
MY only point is the legitimacy of Sports Monitor of Oklahoma- you obviously have an issue with them. I've asked you to share what you know, which appears to be not much and nothing specific. All I've said is the records they post are accurate, I know this to be a fact as I've tracked a number of them for previous buyers groups I've run. So we'll agree to disagree I guess, and let everyone make up there own minds. But nothing has changed, they are the best out there and the only one to be trusted.
And to be honest, you talk alot and don't say much. You want to debate facts, but don't list anything specific- just generalities in the industry, which most of us already know. When you have something specific to share, maybe something first hand and reliable- I'll respond again as I'm always interested in learning more. But not before. So, let the buyer beware and I'll leave it at that.
MY only point is the legitimacy of Sports Monitor of Oklahoma- you obviously have an issue with them. I've asked you to share what you know, which appears to be not much and nothing specific. All I've said is the records they post are accurate, I know this to be a fact as I've tracked a number of them for previous buyers groups I've run. So we'll agree to disagree I guess, and let everyone make up there own minds. But nothing has changed, they are the best out there and the only one to be trusted.
And to be honest, you talk alot and don't say much. You want to debate facts, but don't list anything specific- just generalities in the industry, which most of us already know. When you have something specific to share, maybe something first hand and reliable- I'll respond again as I'm always interested in learning more. But not before. So, let the buyer beware and I'll leave it at that.
Being an old timer I can tell you that in the mid 80's there were some pretty strong allegations that Sports Monitor was in fact started by an Oklahoma tout named Gary London. There were also allegations that Ruth was related to Kevin Karr and helped boost his service during an incredible run the in the 80's. I don't know that any of these allegations were ever proven. Also as a client of Kevin's during the period in question I never saw any evidence of incorrect records.
It is a fact that the records are boosted by stale lines and giving clients best available line on the day of release or the day of the game. That is more than enough to give most cappers a winning record.
Personally I think OSM is better than most but that is not saying a lot.
It is a fact that the records are boosted by stale lines and giving clients best available line on the day of release or the day of the game. That is more than enough to give most cappers a winning record.
Personally I think OSM is better than most but that is not saying a lot.
Joey, let me be clear on something. I have no personal issues with Oklahoma or any sports monitor but do have an issue with them as a whole and how they operate. I also don't have any personal issues with you or anyone else and nothing I say or share is intended to create any. Yes, it's my first post but I was intrigued by your original post so made the choice to reply to it given my extensive knowledge around the topic. I was mostly intrigued with the fact that you believe Oklahoma is the only "legit" monitor whose owner has a "glowing" reputation. I only posed the question of a possible affiliation/actual capper alias because, let's be honest, it really sounds like a commercial for Oklahoma, and we all know cappers create alias' to self-promote at places like this. And as noted previously, a quick google search reveals a long history of skeptics and critics around Oklahoma's business. Again, you called Oklahoma the only "legit" monitor and I simply implied they may be the "best of the worst" because no monitor is a 100% reliable and all monitors operate under major conflicts-of-interest. I also posted some additional factual information that some already knew while others may not but it's always up to the reader to discern and take what resonates with them. I have followed this industry closely for well over 20 years and have seen it all. My only goal is to share/exchange knowledge that makes consumers more aware while exposing the scams through truth and factual information. Call it the attorney in me.
I hope you're not Ed Jacobs.........LOL He's saved my bacon once, many years ago. Some serious shit.........almost 30 years ago.
Well, I did some further investigation over the weekend and found some old posts regarding what has been talked about here. I found threads on SBR about it, one in particular stood out. It was from someone who worked along side of a well known tout- for about 10 years or so. I think it was back in either 2004 or 2007, he relayed a story about how he was instructed to contact Ruth to see if they could "pay" to have a season long record "changed".....and talked about other things in the industry. Bottom line, he was instructed by her they don't operate like that and it doesn't happen on her site- Period. Obviously it's more involved than that, but he made it a point that the records posted are accurate and he mentioned numerous examples over a period of years. Not to say it's true, of course, but he mentioned numerous people in the industry, examples, etc. and seemed to know his shit. I believe he had no reason to lie, his take on it all was interesting.
There were other examples posted too, by others addressing some of the people you mentioned earlier, relationships, long gone touts, etc. Loads of info available if you search it out. Another interesting fact was there were 2 monitors- one "The Sports Monitor" and another, "Sports Monitor"......... Sports Monitor was a scam site, pay for records, etc. and The Sports Monitor- the one we are talking about. It appears back then, many people unknowingly thought they were the same place- they weren't. The deeper I searched, the deeper down the wormhole I got.
But nothing has changed my mind. I still believe the records posted by The Sports Monitor are accurate, and in the end- that's all that matters.
Well, I did some further investigation over the weekend and found some old posts regarding what has been talked about here. I found threads on SBR about it, one in particular stood out. It was from someone who worked along side of a well known tout- for about 10 years or so. I think it was back in either 2004 or 2007, he relayed a story about how he was instructed to contact Ruth to see if they could "pay" to have a season long record "changed".....and talked about other things in the industry. Bottom line, he was instructed by her they don't operate like that and it doesn't happen on her site- Period. Obviously it's more involved than that, but he made it a point that the records posted are accurate and he mentioned numerous examples over a period of years. Not to say it's true, of course, but he mentioned numerous people in the industry, examples, etc. and seemed to know his shit. I believe he had no reason to lie, his take on it all was interesting.
There were other examples posted too, by others addressing some of the people you mentioned earlier, relationships, long gone touts, etc. Loads of info available if you search it out. Another interesting fact was there were 2 monitors- one "The Sports Monitor" and another, "Sports Monitor"......... Sports Monitor was a scam site, pay for records, etc. and The Sports Monitor- the one we are talking about. It appears back then, many people unknowingly thought they were the same place- they weren't. The deeper I searched, the deeper down the wormhole I got.
But nothing has changed my mind. I still believe the records posted by The Sports Monitor are accurate, and in the end- that's all that matters.
Had him for college football several years ago and maybe he has cleaned up his releases. He would send out BOL openers as plays hours after lines
were hit. Thus record as flawed as you would never get the release number. I would ask him about WA numbers and a few weeks sample before doing anything with him. GL
Anyone have Brad Powers season CFB that would trade picks for another capper I already have, please email DM me. His 1st week releases
seem strong and sides that other cappers I follow like also. He got the best of the number, one example below. Thanks
If you have any comments about his service that would help also, other than pregame sucks.
Brad Powers | CFB Side - Saturday, Aug 31 2019 10:30PM
214 Southern Cal -10.0(-110) William Hill vs 213 Fresno St. triple-dime bet
seem strong and sides that other cappers I follow like also. He got the best of the number, one example below. Thanks
If you have any comments about his service that would help also, other than pregame sucks.
Brad Powers | CFB Side - Saturday, Aug 31 2019 10:30PM
214 Southern Cal -10.0(-110) William Hill vs 213 Fresno St. triple-dime bet
Ah yes, Eddie. Glad he was able to help you out.
As it pertains to the story you dug up on the tout trying to "pay" to have his results changed, please keep in mind that not all cappers have the ability to buy their way in, only select cappers who have longstanding relationships with the owners of the monitors. Again, most monitors are owned by cappers themselves like Rocky Atkinson and Sports Watch Monitor referenced in my first post as just one example. The only way for these monitors to protect themselves is to keep certain privileges, like performance manipulation, private amongst a tight circle of "friends". Perhaps the tout who made the attempt to buy his way in was not part of this circle and, therefore, he was told he couldn't. Again, the tout industry has a very poor history, one filled with cons and horror stories but mainly because of lack of regulation which I suspect will be changing very soon given the changes in U.S. Gambling Laws. In the meantime, I would caution you, and others, from putting too much stock in any monitor's results.
If you look back at my post in reference too the sports handicapping monitoring websites. It became very clear to me that some of the sports monitoring services where owned by handicappers or the handicapper had a vested interest in the sports monitoring site.
I'm basing my option on having purchased picks and subscriptions from sports handicapping services that showed favorable records by certain monitoring services. In reality most of the numbers reported by monitoring services did not reflect the same data I recorded for the handicapper I bought picks from and tracked. In each insistence the numbers where inflated by each service that was reporting the handicapping service I purchased.
Regulation is needed in the industry to truly have full transparency.
